General News about Joachim, Marie and Family 2: August 2009 - January 2011

[Sister Morphine]

Nonetheless, I truly believe that married women should not go nightclubbig with men who are not their husbands, or should inlcude the husband when going in a group of the opposite sex.

Men should have the courtesy and consideration to refrain from going out on the town with women when their wives aren't present.

Why can't a woman who has a mixed group of friends go out with them without her husband? What is it you think will happen if a woman goes out with a bunch of friends, some of whom are men?

You are basically saying women cannot control their hormones and that if they are around other men without their husband, they are liable to sleep with them. Same goes for the husbands -- that if they are with a group of friends and their wife is not amongst them, they are liable to sleep with any woman who passes by.

I'm not even married and I'm insulted by that idea. Maybe you don't believe that a married person can be friends with the opposite sex and have no desire whatsoever to sleep with anyone OTHER than their spouse, but perhaps you need enlightening on that issue. Just because a person is married doesn't mean every time they choose to leave the house or go do something, their spouse must accompany them. People ARE allowed to socialize with friends and not have the Mr. or Mrs. hanging around too. Just because Marie went out without Joachim or Joachim might go out without Marie doesn't mean that either of them are screwing around or that they want to screw around or that they're thinking of screwing around or that they're doing anything that might lead someone ELSE to believe they're screwing around. The idea that going out to a club without their spouse can "lead to problems" is simply paranoid. It will only "lead to problems" if you're planning on having an affair. If you're not, and have no desire to have an affair, then there is zero problems.

Sweet sassy molassy.

 

[Lumutqueen]

I certainly seem to be in the minority. Nonetheless, I truly believe that married women should not go nightclubbig with men who are not their husbands, or should inlcude the husband when going in a group of the opposite sex.

Men should have the courtesy and consideration to refrain from going out on the town with women when their wives aren't present.

Of course, no one is going to have sex in the middle of the nightclub as some woman claims. However, it is best to avoid problems than create them. Once the precedent is set, no matter how innocent it all starts out, there is no turning back, and, at some point, trouble can start. Granted, trouble can start anywhere, at any time.

I just don't think it's a good idea. Go to a dinner in mixed company, do something else, but going out drinking and dancing at night can lead to problems, no matter how innocent and benign it starts off.

Let's agree to disagree on this.

In the minority, i think your the only one dear.
Once the precedent is set? So if Marie goes out, the precedent is sat that she MIGHT have an affair?
Thats paranoia and ridiculous.
Why should they not go out without each other?
What is the problem?
They are in a stable married loving relationship as far as we can tell, i'm sure no "Problems" are going to start.

I'm shocked that there are people that still think like this.

 

[Sister Morphine]

Yeah, to me saying that once you go out with a group of friends, without your spouse, it's like the roller coaster is going off the tracks, doesn't speak highly to a person's ability to control themselves.

That's a poor indictment on the character of humanity, really.

 

[sgl]

We've only seen photos of her entering the club with women and her gay hairdresser. Again, I don't think he's going to steal her away from Joachim. It's nothing but pure speculation that she was dancing with men and drinking.

In my opinion, I think it is a bit disrespectful of Marie to say that her behavior was unseemly. We have no evidence that it was. Wait until she goes out every night of the week and is photographed stumbling out of the clubs at 3 AM-then the unseemly remarks would be in order.

 

[Muhler]

However, men who tend to go out to clubs at night with their male friends, leaving their wives behind, can get used to the idea and sooner or later start forgetting that they are married. Women are less likely to do that,

Okay...
I didn't know that I, or for that matter my sex in general, is that primitive.


Would you believe me if I assure you that I'm unlikely to forget that I'm married? In nightclubs or elsewhere.
I am actually able to look at other women, without wanting to cheat on my wife. Okay, should Nigella Lawson dance around the bed in the buff I might for a brief second forget I'm married - until Mrs. Muhler clubbed her down.
I'm not sure which nightclubs you have visited, but it sounds like they were located in Sodoma and Gomorra.

There are temptations everywhere and the biggest temptations are not in nightclubs. They are in your daily life.

Well, gotta go. Need to eat a few bananas and swing in a branch or two before going to bed.

 

[rylt11]

Does Marie get her royal perks 24/7? Yes, she does. She should also be mindful of what she is doing 24/7. She, and anyone else in a position which is regarded separate from the rest (this can include politicians as well, and we know about all of those recent behaviors).

The other point I'd like to make is that we really don't know whether the royal family approves or not. No one who makes comments has direct access to their remarks among themselves, so let's not assume that everything is fine.

If Marie and Joaquim, or Frederik and Mary, or Camilla and Charles, or whatever couple you'd like to mention have a solid marriage and all is well, that is fine.

I still think it is unbecoming for a princess to be seen going nightclubbing with members of the opposite sex without her spouse. That is the point I'm trying to make. It doesn't matter what the year is, it is an unbecoming thing to do.

It smacks of a child who is petulant and will do what she wants.

 

[sgl]

No, we don't know what the royal family thinks, but since we have seen Mary, Frederik, Joachim, and now Marie out with their friends at clubs and various venues, I think it is safe to assume that it is not against the rules/expectations of the Queen. If it was something that the Queen did not approve of, we can safely bet that the princesses/princes would not be doing it.

It may appear to be unseemly in your eyes, but to most of us here it is not (and apparently not unseemly to many Danes). All that matters is what Joachim, Marie, the royal family and the people of Denmark think. Since we continue to see the various family members out without their respective spouses, we can say that the royal family doesn't seem to mind; and if the Danes seemed to mind, we would see a backlash against the monarchy. This is a modern family, in a modern country, with a modern culture (thank goodness).

 

[dazzling]

I have deleted a few posts talking about how this can lead to an affair. Please lets not get into that since we have no proof what one thinks. Lets just stay on topic and discuss Marie's nighout and not what will/may happen.

Thank you ​

 

[UserDane]

Have been away for a few days and now read this thread with interest. Rylt11, you are of course entitled to your view, but pheeewww are they ever out of sync with the reality and every day life of princess Marie! You talk about the Danes' respect for Marie and her behaviour in public. If she started behaving the way you seem to prefer married women to behave, I bet she would be losing our respect. The 30s/40s/50s are a long time away, we prefer to keep it that way.

You mention ex-princess Alexandra favourably compared to Marie. Have you checked out her social calendar for the years she was married to Joachim? She did not avoid mixed company either even when Joachim was not around. For which we thank her of course since we do not favour public figures which are completely out of tune with the society they live in.

 

[stellam]

I have read a few reports of the Queen and the Prince Consort going out to parties one without the other and private parties I might add where things can get out of hand. Yet, they are still happily married 40-odd years later. As for Joachim and Alexandra who said their marriage break up was in part due to them going out separately. The problems could have started in the home and them going out was to have a break from one another.

 

[Zonk]

Personally, I don't see a problem with Marie going out with her friends to party without her husband. And I don't see a problem with Joachim to do the same as well. Not every marriage is the same, but I think some marriages benefit with the parties involved are allowed to go and hang out with their friends and have fun. You had a social life and friends before you got married, why should you stop doign that. If a married couple each have a night out a month, as they long as they go out together (by themselves without the kids) what is the problem?

Its a problem when Marie, or Joachim or whoever is married and they are partying every week two to three times a week. At that point you have to say...okay...whats the deal? If you are going to party like you are single....why be married? Really, I think I everyone is entitled to a night to have fun as long as your spouse is okay with it and nothing is going on. As someone previously mentioned, trust is key. If you don't trust your partner, and your partner hasn't shown that you can't trust them..then what do you have?

 

[antonieta]

Personally, I don't see a problem with Marie going out with her friends to party without her husband. And I don't see a problem with Joachim to do the same as well. Not every marriage is the same, but I think some marriages benefit with the parties involved are allowed to go and hang out with their friends and have fun. You had a social life and friends before you got married, why should you stop doign that. If a married couple each have a night out a month, as they long as they go out together (by themselves without the kids) what is the problem?

Its a problem when Marie, or Joachim or whoever is married and they are partying every week two to three times a week. At that point you have to say...okay...whats the deal? If you are going to party like you are single....why be married? Really, I think I everyone is entitled to a night to have fun as long as your spouse is okay with it and nothing is going on. As someone previously mentioned, trust is key. If you don't trust your partner, and your partner hasn't shown that you can't trust them..then what do you have?

I'll make mine your words.

 

[Bonbon]

I've found a video of Marie on internet and i've no idea if it's posted before.

Watch Video DENMARKDenmarks Prince Joachim set to marry News Archive at blinkx

 

[ahtikavalentine]

I didn't know Marie smokes!

 

[rylt11]

There were pictures taken during her honeymoon in which she was smoking.

 

[ahtikavalentine]

There were pictures taken during her honeymoon in which she was smoking.

Oh...I don't know them

 

[rsfc149]

Oh...I don't know them

http://msndk.starlounge.com/index.cfm?objectid=27110
In the second one you can see them both holding cigarettes.

 

[Muhler]

According to Billed Bladet #19, 2010, la Marie and Joachim will not go to Sweden to the wedding in June, along with the rest of the DRF.

Joachim will stay in Denmark and act as regent (actually rigsforstander, as only the crown prince can be regent).

QMII & PH were of course expected to go anyway and as Frederik and Victoria are very close it would be almost unthinkable that he and Mary did not go.

Princess Benedikte also has as close relationship with her Swedish relatives.

So that leaves Joachim, who hasn't got that close bonds with his Swedish relatives anyway.
Well, poor petite Marie will have to watch the wedding on TV I guess. (The article states very clearly that she will not go either).

 

[antonieta]

According to Billed Bladet #19, 2010, la Marie and Joachim will not go to Sweden to the wedding in June, along with the rest of the DRF.

Joachim will stay in Denmark and act as regent (actually rigsforstander, as only the crown prince can be regent).

QMII & PH were of course expected to go anyway and as Frederik and Victoria are very close it would be almost unthinkable that he and Mary did not go.

Princess Benedikte also has as close relationship with her Swedish relatives.

So that leaves Joachim, who hasn't got that close bonds with his Swedish relatives anyway.
Well, poor petite Marie will have to watch the wedding on TV I guess. (The article states very clearly that she will not go either).

Why "poor"?

 

[Katelle]

Because she might miss a wonderful event, the greatest one of the year so far. Isn't it?

 

[antonieta]

Because she might miss a wonderful event, the greatest one of the year so far. Isn't it?

Ok. I think that everyone who follows royalty knows that the wedding of Crown Princess Victoria it´s "the greatest one of the year so far". That´s not the question.

But why "poor" princess Marie?

 

[Katelle]

Actually I cannot speak in Muhler's place, but I am a regular reader of his article translations and he likes to add some humour in them, like when he says "la Marie" or "petite Marie" etc. Don't take it bad, it's just for fun! I guess.

 

[Muhler]

It is indeed just for fun.

In fact I'm often teased for being an almost fanatical admirer of la Marie and her Joachim. - That is not quite true, however.

Poor Marie, because I believe she would very much have liked to go to that wedding. (She doesn't strike me as a person who would rather stay at home than go to a party). It is after all not the same watching it on TV than being there in person.

Actually I cannot speak in Muhler's place, but I am a regular reader of his article translations and he likes to add some humour in them, like when he says "la Marie" or "petite Marie" etc. Don't take it bad, it's just for fun! I guess.

 

[Sereta]

I don't see why Marie couldn't still go to the wedding with the rest of the family if she really wanted to? It is only Joachim who cannot attend because of his duties.

 

[Muhler]

I don't see why Marie couldn't still go to the wedding with the rest of the family if she really wanted to? It is only Joachim who cannot attend because of his duties.

Solidarity with her husband?
And the fact that she hardly knows Joachim's Swedish relatives or certainly don't know them well.

 

[antonieta]

Solidarity with her husband?
And the fact that she hardly knows Joachim's Swedish relatives or certainly don't know them well.

Well, so that would be the perfect opportunity for her (Princess Marie) to know Joachim's Swedish relatives wouldn't it?

But we all know that she cannot do whatever she wants (in this case, go to a wedding just because she wants). She is restrained now (i think) by the DRF, by the protocol, call it what you want.

 

[lyndaW]

One of the names they gave baby Henrik was in honor of Joachim's Swedish relative

 

[windsorgirl]

CP Frederik could easily escort Marie, along with Mary, as he did with Mette-Marit at one of his mother's birthday events when CP Haakon was delayed. I hope she does go as I think it would help further her relationships with the European royal circle in general and I'd like to see her, too!

 

[dazzling]

What a pitty that they wont make it. I was really looking forward to seeing them there.

 

[lyndaW]

The Danish Royals will be staying on the Yacht Dannebrog (which would be considered Danish soil)
Due to what happened and the deaths of all the government officials in Poland, the Danish government would want Joachim to remain in Denmark...............................

Even William & Harry now have to fly in seperate planes when they go to Africa next month.......it is logical !

Christian will attend the wedding as he has some part in it............I assume they Isabella won't be left behind with the nanny but will be with them on the yacht