Gender, names & godparents for Princess Beatrice & Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi's second child

[Countessmeout]

I didn't say they were enemies. I just pointed out a few names that won't be selected.

While counterposing it with a 'pay tribute to Catherine'. Reality is there is more of a history of friendship between the Sussexes and Yorks then there is the Yorks and Kate. Don't think Kate is a blip on the radar of family they may choose to honor.

 

[Curryong]

I didn't say they were enemies. I just pointed out a few names that won't be selected.

Yes, a selection who are/were jailbirds or very unpopular British and US politicians, several out of office. Meghan is neither a politician, an ex politician nor a convicted felon.

 

[W.Y.CII]

While counterposing it with a 'pay tribute to Catherine'. Reality is there is more of a history of friendship between the Sussexes and Yorks then there is the Yorks and Kate. Don't think Kate is a blip on the radar of family they may choose to honor.

Exactly. I don't see the reason Beatrice need to pay tribute to a cousin in law while she has a sister and female cousin...if you ask me I would say "Catherine" or "Kate" is on the same list of "names won't be chosen" as "Meghan".

 

[crm2317]

I doubt that the baby will have the name of Edo’s father, I thought they didn’t have the most close and loving relationship. I was under the impression he very much thought of his late stepfather as his father figure.

 

[Countessmeout]

I doubt that the baby will have the name of Edo’s father, I thought they didn’t have the most close and loving relationship. I was under the impression he very much thought of his late stepfather as his father figure.

Indeed. I have never heard him say anything specific about Alex, but the way he speaks about Christopher (even without the obvious he named his first born for him) its clear his bond with his stepfather was much closer.

Tribute to Christopher says it all

Edo Mapelli Mozzi on Instagram: "Chrisdog, Pups, I can’t believe it has been 10 years. Not a day goes by without me thinking of you and leaning on all the lessons you taught me. You once said on my 18th birthday that being my stepfather was the great

9,202 likes, 269 comments - edomapellimozzi on June 25, 2021: "Chrisdog, Pups, I can’t believe it has been 10 years. Not a day goes by without me thinking of you and leaning on all the lessons you taught me. You once said on my 18th birthday that being my stepfather was the greatest honour and...

www.instagram.com

 

[Moonmaiden23]

If it’s a boy, I assume they will go for a traditional Italian Mapelli Lozzi name, as he will become holder of the Italian noble title in day. Both Edo and his father have Italian names. I believe they will call him Alessandro, like Edo’s father. Or maybe his grandfather (I can’t find the name).

Edo has a first born son. Does Christopher's out-of-wedlock status invalidate him from holding the Italian noble title and its properties ( The Villa Mapelli Mozzi) in due time?

If so, what happens if Edoardo and Beatrice do not ever have a son?

 

[principessa]

Boy: Xander Philip Mapelli Mozzi
Girl: Lola Victoria Mapelli Mozzi

 

[Lori138]

A girl - Thea
A boy - Alex

 

[Countessmeout]

Edo has a first born son. Does Christopher's out-of-wedlock status invalidate him from holding the Italian noble title and its properties ( The Villa Mapelli Mozzi) in due time?

If so, what happens if Edoardo and Beatrice do not ever have a son?

As an Italian count all legitimate children are counts/countesses.Sienna would Donna Sienna.

As the titles were abolished the estate (which seems to include 2 manors) is a private matter. If they don't have a son there is likely a family trust that will be altered.

 

[Gawin]

As an Italian count all legitimate children are counts/countesses.Sienna would Donna Sienna.

As the titles were abolished the estate (which seems to include 2 manors) is a private matter. If they don't have a son there is likely a family trust that will be altered.

I think you meant to say all legitimate sons are counts. Daughters in the Mapelli Mozzi family aren't countesses, legitimate or otherwise.

Conte Edoardo and (as you stated) Donna Sienna

 

[Gawin]

ETA: But since titles of nobility are no longer recognized by the Italian government, Conte can only be used on a social basis.

 

[JGio]

Edo has a first born son. Does Christopher's out-of-wedlock status invalidate him from holding the Italian noble title and its properties ( The Villa Mapelli Mozzi) in due time?

If so, what happens if Edoardo and Beatrice do not ever have a son?

Correct, Wolfie is not a Count. The eventual son of Beatrice and Edo will be Count from birth. A daughter will be Donna Sienna Mapelli Mozzi, extended dei Conti Mapelli Mozzi. Like Queen Paola of Belgium was born into a Princely family, she was officially Donna Paola Ruffo di Calabria.

But I still have to understand how cadet male aristocrats were styled in Italy.. there seem to be confusion.. anyone knows other threads here where it is discussed?

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Edo has a first born son. Does Christopher's out-of-wedlock status invalidate him from holding the Italian noble title and its properties ( The Villa Mapelli Mozzi) in due time?

Italian noble titles have been abolished (as mentioned by Countessmeout and Gawin above), cf. Transitory Provision XIV, paragraph of the Constitution of Italy:

XIV

Titles of nobility shall not be recognised.

https://www.quirinale.it/allegati_statici/costituzione/costituzione_en.pdf

Thus, there is no title to inherit.

Some descendants of Italian nobility (such as Edo's father) nonetheless call themselves, socially, by their families' former titles. But Edo Mapelli Mozzi is not one of them. He told a newspaper in 2019:

Known as Edo, Mr. Mozzi is the son of an Italian count, Alessandro Mapelli Mozzi, who holds dual British and Italian citizenship. But as solely a British citizen, Mr. Mozzi is not eligible for his father’s title.

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Since Edo himself does not possess a title and he considers it inappropriate to call himself by a title, I think it is unlikely that any of his children, born in or out of wedlock, will call themselves by a title.

I'm afraid I have no idea about the Villa.

As an Italian count all legitimate children are counts/countesses.Sienna would Donna Sienna.

As the titles were abolished the estate (which seems to include 2 manors) is a private matter.

I think you meant to say all legitimate sons are counts. Daughters in the Mapelli Mozzi family aren't countesses, legitimate or otherwise.

Conte Edoardo and (as you stated) Donna Sienna

ETA: But since titles of nobility are no longer recognized by the Italian government, Conte can only be used on a social basis.

Correct, Wolfie is not a Count. The eventual son of Beatrice and Edo will be Count from birth. A daughter will be Donna Sienna Mapelli Mozzi, extended dei Conti Mapelli Mozzi. Like Queen Paola of Belgium was born into a Princely family, she was officially Donna Paola Ruffo di Calabria.

But I still have to understand how cadet male aristocrats were styled in Italy.. there seem to be confusion.. anyone knows other threads here where it is discussed?

Before the Italian nobility was abolished, different families were conferred with different titles. "Donna" and "Don" were mostly granted to princely families, such as the Ruffo di Calabria.

Within the Mapelli Mozzi family, sons were Conte (Count) while daughters were Nobile (Noble). (Presumably this applied only to legitimate children, as was the norm.) None of the family members were Donna or Don, and daughters were not countesses. See this thread for sources.

Princess Beatrice: Relationships Musings and Suggestions

Genealogy of Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/peerage-news/BJJtouIJ9hw Very informative. So he does descend from the paternal line instead of a maternal line of the family like someone suggested earlier in this thread. From this it doesn't look like his father...

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