Edinburgh and Wessex Titles

[Alison H]

There isn't likely to be another referendum on Scottish independence any time soon, because the Westminster government won't agree to it and the courts have ruled that it would therefore be illegal to hold one. Even if there was one, and even if Scotland did vote for independence, that wouldn't necessarily mean that Scotland would become a republic. I genuinely don't think that the Scottish independence issue has got anything to do with Edward not being made Duke of Edinburgh.

 

[Lemon Lyman]

I wonder if idea of it not going to the Wessex’s is linked to them not wanting James to inherit it so he can be a private citizen. The Awards are so established that it would be hard for him not to be involved if he was the Duke but also hard for others closer to the crown to get involved without him.

Charlotte sort of makes sense as she won’t pass the title on so would stay close to the crown for longer.

 

[JGio]

Wessex Titles

But isn’t more likely to make Charlotte the next Princess Royal?

I really hope Edward is made DoE or nothing at all. If he were made Duke of something else, PR-wise it would be a bad move. Journals and people would start rumoring on broken promises, lack of respect from Charles’ side, etc. and making him a Duke 30 years after the wedding is simply senseless. Either you make him DoE as planned and agreed, or you don’t make him a Duke at all.

The sense of him being the next DoE is very symbolic, not a reward for something or a professional upgrade. It’s really about living on Philip’s legacy.

Charlotte is just a great-granddaughter. To me, it’s better if she’s made Princess Royal.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Charlotte sort of makes sense as she won’t pass the title on so would stay close to the crown for longer.

No matter if the dukedom is recreated for Edward, Charlotte, Louis, or another person, the letters of creation would determine whether, and to whom, the new dukedom of Edinburgh could be passed on.

I genuinely don't think that the Scottish independence issue has got anything to do with Edward not being made Duke of Edinburgh.

I agree, Alison H. Even if it would be the one explanation for breaching the agreement which would make some sense, there have been no whispers about concerns regarding Scottish independence amidst all of the media leaks and speculations about the future of the Edinburgh dukedom.

Compare it to the Prince of Wales' decision not to hold an investiture in Wales. Even though Prince William himself never explained how he came to that decision, many of the press reports have subtly or not so subtly referred to Welsh nationalism and Welsh republicanism in their coverage of his decision.

If Scottish politics were a consideration with the Edinburgh dukedom, I think there would have been a hint of it in the press coverage by this point.

If they Queen and DoE were already aware that Charles wasn't going to give Edward the DoE title they could have given him a Dukedom then instead of just another Earldom. But they did not.

I think JGio explains why that would have been a poor decision from a public relations point of view:

I really hope Edward is made DoE or nothing at all. If he were made Duke of something else, PR-wise it would be a bad move. Journals and people would start rumoring on broken promises, lack of respect from Charles’ side, etc. and making him a Duke 30 years after the wedding is simply senseless. Either you make him DoE as planned and agreed, or you don’t make him a Duke at all.

William and Harry have Scottish titles as their secondary titles, not their primary titles, which are English. The Duke of Edinburgh title will be the senior title for Edward, if it were given to him. In the event of Scottish independence, he will then have, as his primary title, a dukedom of a foreign country.

If a secondary Scottish title would be acceptable in the event of Scottish independence but a primary Scottish title would not, then the Duke of Edinburgh could simply be given an English dukedom and switch to using it as his primary title.

The monarchy was not in a great state in 1999, after almost of decade of the War of the Wales', and other difficulties. It was perceived that there was no public appetite for another Dukedom being created.

I doubt that critics of the monarchy, in 1999 or now, would distinguish between Prince Edward receiving a dukedom and Prince Edward receiving an earldom. That distinction seems to be something which concerns royal watchers and ultratraditionalists, not the general public, to whom a title is a title.

 

[MsJulie]

Perhaps there should be a King/Queen only. Everyone loses their titles. No more fighting or disagreeing. The King/Queen no longer rule but are only figure heads. It is one solution….and I hear so many disagree…but it is a new era.

 

[kimebear]

It would be interesting to see how the King and Queen get the job done on their own, without anyone else titled who would agree to take on the public engagements and overseas representation as plain old "Mr or Miss Royal Surname".

The monarch needs a support system. The royal family serves many purposes and it is far less thrilling for an organization to have Anne Laurence as your patron instead of HRH The Princess Royal.

 

[EllieCat]

The monarch needs a support system. The royal family serves many purposes and it is far less thrilling for an organization to have Anne Laurence as your patron instead of HRH The Princess Royal.

I agree 100% Kimebear.

Part of the allure for me regarding the Royal Family is the history and the magic of it all. In my head I know it's all a bit artificial, and that King Charles III and I are absolutely equal human beings, however, if I met him, I know i'd attempt a curtsy, it's only polite, and it's to the Monarch, whoever the person is who holds the title. I love the idea of a Royal Family, non constitutional, not aligned to any political party, and all the paraphernalia that goes with it, dressing up, tiaras, fancy jewellery - and all the while doing (mostly) good for worthwhile causes and highlighting those kind of charities and organisations that get little publicity. And great for tourism too.

However, back to the Wessex titles, whatever happens I hope Edward and Sophie end up Duke and Duchess of Whatever (preferably Edinburgh like Prince Philip wanted), maybe only for life if KCIII prefers the title not to go out of the family, and James can then be Earl of Wessex.

 

[bekalc]

This is one of the two things that I can see happening with Edinburgh, and which would explain Edward’s ‘pipe dream of my father’s’ comments. At the time of the original agreement, it wasn’t known that succession would be gender neutral within 15 years to eventually create a purpose for the Dukedom of Edinburgh in this way, that would honour both the late Queen and the late DoE as they were the first.

It’s a little odd that the Duke of Edinburgh awards are run by someone who isn’t the DoE when the title is available, but the moment it is given to Edward, it will eventually go to James rather than someone closer to the throne. They will be aware of the Dukedoms that are soon to be non-royal and in time, that would happen to Edinburgh under the original plans (unless of course it is a lifetime only grant to Edward, after which it would be available for use by future consorts.) Of course the future consorts won’t (or are very unlikely to be) descendants of Philip’s so there would be a need to acknowledge they were going against his wishes to a degree.

My other thought was Louis. There is a role for a firstborn and a daughter, monarch and Princess Royal, but nothing for a second son as such (as said above, there are a lot of Dukes, so it’s not as special a title/role.) Giving Louis DoE instead would be a prestigious role for him rather than wondering what to do with him. Philip made DoE his own but not everybody granted a Dukedom would be able to build something up from scratch; also with the Queen’s children, there were two without roles as such (Andrew and Edward,) while it seems that Louis will be alone in that, as Harry was. If DoE goes to Louis, it still continues among Philip’s descendants. Wessex, as highlighted probably means more to Edward to pass down himself. If DoE were created exactly as before, he would probably feel it should go to Louise given her bond with the late DoE, but she would be ineligible despite being the eldest. Ultimately they were brought up without the expectation of a Royal role, so he probably thinks it’s best not to burden either of his children with it. Whoever is the next DoE, they’ve got big shoes to fill.

Prince Phillip wanted it to go to Edward and by extension his grandson James. Queen Elizabeth wanted it as well.

Charles is getting the crown. Andrew for the Duke of York. (His grandfathers title)

And they wanted Edward to have his fathers title

It’s just mean and churlish the son who has gotten so much going back on his Own word.

James is a grandson of the queen why shouldn’t he be a Duke’? He can still live an ordinary life.

Furthemore neither Louis or Charlotte are in the direct line of succession if they have kids their kids will inherit and it will fall far from the throne.

Prince Phillip wanted it to go Edward. He is wanted to eventually go further and further from the Throne.

All of his life his titles got overshadowed by the Queens he wanted one title to go down to his descendants that wouldn’t be:

There is nothing lovely about going against a public promise and denying your parents wishes.

 

[muriel]

Prince Phillip wanted it to go to Edward and by extension his grandson James. Queen Elizabeth wanted it as well.

Charles is getting the crown. Andrew for the Duke of York. (His grandfathers title)

And they wanted Edward to have his fathers title

It’s just mean and churlish the son who has gotten so much going back on his Own word.

James is a grandson of the queen why shouldn’t he be a Duke’? He can still live an ordinary life.

Furthemore neither Louis or Charlotte are in the direct line of succession if they have kids their kids will inherit and it will fall far from the throne.

Prince Phillip wanted it to go Edward. He is wanted to eventually go further and further from the Throne.

All of his life his titles got overshadowed by the Queens he wanted one title to go down to his descendants that wouldn’t be:

There is nothing lovely about going against a public promise and denying your parents wishes.

Just a few thoughts on the matter:

> We do not know what will happen in this regard to the future of the Duke of Edinburgh title. There have been no announcements from BP. All we have is speculation and comment by the media, without much basis. It could well be that the announcements are made around the Coronation, or around Edward's 60th birthday, or another time of Charles' choosing. Given that, I would be inclined to hold back on judgement, for now.

> Whilst it may have indeed been intended for Edward to be created DoE after the passing of both of his parents, the decision to do so remains that of the monarch of the day. As King, it is the duty of Charles to do what is best for the monarchy, and if he feels creating a royal dukedom for his younger brother, then his judgement is all that matters in this regard. QE2 would not flinch from putting the Crown first, Charles must do the same.

> Philip may have wanted the title to go to Edward, but it was never Philip's decision to make. It was never within his gift to create Dukedoms.

 

[Meee]

I agree that it reflects badly on Charles if the DoE doesn’t go to Edward in some form; as Somebody said below, Camilla has had a promotion from what was agreed and announced and as it stands, Edward has effectively had a demotion despite being a key part of The Firm until the King’s grandchildren are of age, being much younger than his siblings together with the lack of public appetite for Andrew and Harry to serve.

As I understand it, Philip approached Edward about becoming DoE in the lead up to his marriage. There was no guarantee at that time that there would be children of the marriage for the title to be passed down any further than Edward; he married later than his siblings, with Sophie being less than a year younger than him. They then suffered an ectopic pregnancy two years before Louise was born prematurely. In any case, like his grandfather and brother before him, there might have been heirs but no male heir. All Philip could be sure of at the time was that Edward would be the only child who might be able to pass the title on.

I haven’t said that I think James shouldn’t be a Duke, I simply described the two alternatives that have occurred to me as to what might happen with Edinburgh, and the rationale behind them. Charles is going to care more for a future role for Louis than his nephew becoming a Duke in time and ultimately he has the power to do that if he wishes. The situation with Harry is probably weighing on his mind, it’s not something that he could have foreseen at the time he presumably indicated to his parents that he would create his brother DoE and as such he’ll be keen to ensure that Louis doesn’t resent that his brother will be King, his sister will be Princess Royal and it’s just him left without anything or with any old Dukedom. Indeed, if DoE does go to Louis exactly as created prior, it will eventually end up further from the throne, it’ll just take longer.

On balance, I am thinking that a grantee only approach would be a good solution as is the case with Princess Royal, that way Edward gets what was promised to him and DoE stays relatively close to the throne and will be available for use in the future. We cannot really know what was meant when Edward described it as a pipe dream of his father’s, whether he was never really that keen on it but did not want to hurt Philip’s feelings as he would have known how he felt about not being able to give his name to his own children; whether he was honoured to be asked but has since gone off of the idea or whether it is Charles who has indicated that his vision for the DoE has changed.

Edward might himself feel quite conflicted that any titles that he can pass on will go to his younger child, with nothing for the elder, knowing that his brother’s approach is to modernise the monarchy. I have no reason not to believe the reports that Edward specifically requested Wessex and I can see that he might like to continue using it (but of course he could have DoE and still choose to be known as Wessex, his own children use lower titles than they actually hold.)

I completely agree with the poster above who mentioned that it would be difficult for someone to run the awards without James’s involvement if he was DoE. There might then be an expectation for him to use HRH Prince, which he may not want. Peter Philips would also be the only one of the Queen’s grandsons never to have a Dukedom. Not a good look for a modern monarchy. He likely doesn’t care, but still.

 

[sophie25]

I think when Charles announced that William was now Prince of Wales he could also have stated that Edward was Dof E. I was actually waiting for him to say it at that time. He is very much depending on Edward and Sophie these days and they absolutely should be made a Duke and Duchess, they more than deserve it. Edinburgh was Philip's wish for Edward and he was such a marvellous D of E himself that he earned the right to name his successor. Charles made a lot of the Queen saying she wanted Camilla to be Queen Consort but he's ignoring her wishes in the instance of his brother's title. It's extremely bad form and I don't think at all justified, Charles has really let himself down here IMO.

 

[Meee]

I think when Charles announced that William was now Prince of Wales he could also have stated that Edward was also now Dof E. I was actually waiting for him to say it at that time. He is very much depending on Edward and Sophie these days and they absolutely should be made a Duke and Duchess, they more than deserve it. Edinburgh was Philip's wish for Edward and he was such a marvellous D of E himself that he earned the right to name the successor to his title. Charles made a lot of the Queen saying she wanted Camilla to be Queen Consort but he's ignoring her wishes in the instance of his brother's title. It's extremely bad form and I don't think at all justified, Charles has really let himself down here IMO.

I was too, I actually wasn’t expecting Prince of Wales at that time and didn’t realise that it could be done without an investiture. When that didn’t happen, I thought it might be on the anniversary of their parents’ wedding; to avoid too many announcements being made in the mourning period; as it was both of their wishes. As that has also passed, it was then that I really thought about what else Charles might have in mind for it.

 

[bekalc]

I agree that it reflects badly on Charles if the DoE doesn’t go to Edward in some form; as Somebody said below, Camilla has had a promotion from what was agreed and announced and as it stands, Edward has effectively had a demotion despite being a key part of The Firm until the King’s grandchildren are of age, being much younger than his siblings together with the lack of public appetite for Andrew and Harry to serve.

As I understand it, Philip approached Edward about becoming DoE in the lead up to his marriage. There was no guarantee at that time that there would be children of the marriage for the title to be passed down any further than Edward; he married later than his siblings, with Sophie being less than a year younger than him. They then suffered an ectopic pregnancy two years before Louise was born prematurely. In any case, like his grandfather and brother before him, there might have been heirs but no male heir. All Philip could be sure of at the time was that Edward would be the only child who might be able to pass the title on.

I haven’t said that I think James shouldn’t be a Duke, I simply described the two alternatives that have occurred to me as to what might happen with Edinburgh, and the rationale behind them. Charles is going to care more for a future role for Louis than his nephew becoming a Duke in time and ultimately he has the power to do that if he wishes. The situation with Harry is probably weighing on his mind, it’s not something that he could have foreseen at the time he presumably indicated to his parents that he would create his brother DoE and as such he’ll be keen to ensure that Louis doesn’t resent that his brother will be King, his sister will be Princess Royal and it’s just him left without anything or with any old Dukedom. Indeed, if DoE does go to Louis exactly as created prior, it will eventually end up further from the throne, it’ll just take longer.

On balance, I am thinking that a grantee only approach would be a good solution as is the case with Princess Royal, that way Edward gets what was promised to him and DoE stays relatively close to the throne and will be available for use in the future. We cannot really know what was meant when Edward described it as a pipe dream of his father’s, whether he was never really that keen on it but did not want to hurt Philip’s feelings as he would have known how he felt about not being able to give his name to his own children; whether he was honoured to be asked but has since gone off of the idea or whether it is Charles who has indicated that his vision for the DoE has changed.

Edward might himself feel quite conflicted that any titles that he can pass on will go to his younger child, with nothing for the elder, knowing that his brother’s approach is to modernise the monarchy. I have no reason not to believe the reports that Edward specifically requested Wessex and I can see that he might like to continue using it (but of course he could have DoE and still choose to be known as Wessex, his own children use lower titles than they actually hold.)

I completely agree with the poster above who mentioned that it would be difficult for someone to run the awards without James’s involvement if he was DoE. There might then be an expectation for him to use HRH Prince, which he may not want. Peter Philips would also be the only one of the Queen’s grandsons never to have a Dukedom. Not a good look for a modern monarchy. He likely doesn’t care, but still.

On Edwards marriage they announced their kids wouldn’t be princes and princesses and Charles would give grant Edward that title. Edwards plan was to have kids.

There are plenty of titles available for Charlotte and Louis. Charlotte can be a Princess Royal eventually.

Louis can inherit his fathers title -Duke of Cambridge. His Dads title would mean more to him then his Great Grandfathers. A Great Grandfather he probably won’t remember much.

Who says Prince Louis will even want to be a part of the firm look at Harry!

Prince Phillip and the Queen wanted Edward and Edwards heirs to have that title. Prince Phillip wanted it to pass down away from the throne.

James was his grandson who he loved and was close to.


Charles gets the throne it’s churlish for him to deny his brother a title his father very much wanted him to have. It’s someone who is literally getting everything denying someone a morsel.

Charles kids and grandsons get everything and he cannot let’ Edward and his kids have one title?

James having a title of Duke doesn’t equal him becoming working royal.

Edward has been doing all that work for so for those awards it’s just very wrong.

If Prince Phillip had wanted that title to be closely associated with the crown he would have made a different wish. But his whole life he had been overshadowed by the queen. He is wanted his title to pass down amongst his heirs and not be overshadowed by the monarchy.

Edward is actually doing royal duties unlike Charles son who gets to keep his Dukedom

 

[Toledo]

I still think the Edinburgh title is too grand and needs to be updated for something related to the current royal family nucleus. King Charles can upgrade Edward to Duke and make it hereditary.

Re Prince Phillip's promise, QEII had the opportunity, and she didn't do it. As it is in Spain with the King being the giver of titles, if hereditary then it now belongs to King Charles, and he will decide.

 

[Prinsara]

Re Prince Phillip's promise, QEII had the opportunity, and she didn't do it. As it is in Spain with the King being the giver of titles, if hereditary then it now belongs to King Charles, and he will decide.

The Queen did not "have the opportunity". After Philip died the title went to Charles as the eldest son; until it merged with the Crown at his accession, there was no opportunity to give it to any one else.

That's why the arrangement was always stated for after the deaths of both QEII and the DofE.

 

[Toledo]

The Queen did not "have the opportunity". After Philip died the title went to Charles as the eldest son; until it merged with the Crown at his accession, there was no opportunity to give it to any one else.

That's why the arrangement was always stated for after the deaths of both QEII and the DofE.

So that makes sense to me now. If King Charles III is the duke of Edinburgh's title holder, why would he even consider giving it away to a sibling instead to his direct descendant? Prince Phillip didn't arrange it with prince Charles, nor he should have promised to give it away to start with.

Edward should understand if hereditary it was going to be merged with the crown in the end.

 

[Prinsara]

So that makes sense to me now. If King Charles III is the duke of Edinburgh's title holder, why would he even consider giving it away to a sibling instead to his direct descendant? Prince Phillip didn't arrange it with prince Charles, nor he should have promised to give it away to start with.

Edward should understand if hereditary it was going to be merged with the crown in the end.

Charles is no longer "the Duke of Edinburgh's title holder", since all his titles merged with the Crown — and are now free to be recreated. For anybody, including Edward. Like their parents intended. Clear enough?

 

[Iluvbertie]

Actually Philip AND the Queen made the agreement with Charles that Edward would become Duke of Edinburgh. It was announced on Edward's wedding day that the three of them had made that agreement so Charles was as much part of that promise as were his parents.

Edward fully understands that the Edinburgh title has now merged with the Crown and is now available. It wasn't available until the 8th September, 2022 but it is now.

The statement issued in 1999 by Buckingham Palace:

"The Queen, the Duke of Edinburgh and the Prince of Wales have also agreed that the Prince Edward should be given the Dukedom of Edinburgh in due course when the present title held now by Prince Philip eventually reverts to the Crown.” https://www.express.co.uk/news/roya...plained-prince-charles-king-prince-edward-evg

Not just The Queen and Philip but Charles was announced as having agreed to give Edward the Edinburgh title.

23 years on Charles has shown his real colours - untrustworthy when it comes to keeping promises.

 

[Meee]

The Queen did not "have the opportunity". After Philip died the title went to Charles as the eldest son; until it merged with the Crown at his accession, there was no opportunity to give it to any one else.

That's why the arrangement was always stated for after the deaths of both QEII and the DofE.

I am guessing that Toledo means that the Queen could have recreated Philip Duke of Edinburgh and by so doing change who the title would pass to, as Queen Victoria did with the Duke of Fife when it was clear that the 1st Duke would have no male heirs. She could have changed it to the present holder’s youngest son or present holder’s youngest child, and the line would still have been Philip -> Edward -> James -> possibly Louise if the gender bias were removed and James were to have no issue. Obviously she didn’t think that Charles would renege on it.

 

[Iluvbertie]

She couldn't do that as there can't be two people with the exact same title at the same time. She couldn't deny Charles' rights as Philip's heir (and also disinherit William, Harry and Andrew who also had a better claim than Edward to Philip's titles in 1999 and by the time he died George, Louis and Archie as well).

The Fife situation is very different. Victoria ADDed to the Letters Patent the right for the title to descend through the Duke's daughters. She didn't try to disinherit two sons, two grandsons and three great-grandsons which is what you are suggesting she could do.

Fife was comparable to York today - no male heirs.

To change the Letters Patent the Queen would have had to go to parliament and ask parliament to formally strip Charles, William, George, Louis, Harry, Archie and Andrew of their rights to inherit Philip's titles and that would immediately raise the question 'why?' What is wrong with them that they aren't good enough to inherit Philip's titles but we are expected to have at least three of them as the future monarchs?

 

[bekalc]

My understanding is Peter Philip was offered titles but said no.

If Phillip truly wanted that title to be passed down closer to succession he could have asked it to be held for Harry he didn’t. He wanted it to go to Edward and his kids. Something of his for Edwards descendants.

The could always change the name a bit of the award to the Prince Phillip Duke of Edinburgh award if James doesn’t want to be tied to it. Plenty of dukes don’t have HRH. It seems to me neither the Queen or Prince Phillip wanted the title to be tied to closely to the throne.

There are plenty of other titles for Louis and Charlotte.

Edward is also still a child of a monarch he would be the first son of monarch to not be a Duke in how long. Even illegitimate sons Got them.

Harry’s Archie is going to be far removed from throne and not even raised in uK and he and his kids get a dukedom.

The Kent’s get to pass down their dukedom

I mean Charles wants this both ways. I want you to do all this work for me. But the role is going to be so thankless i
Won’t even let your kids have a dukedom that costs tax payers nothing

 

[Denville]

Its Edward's job, to do royal duties, and support his brother, who will be very busy. regardless of what title he has. It seem to me that Edward is not that pushed about that particular title, and he may not care about getting it at all.

 

[Furienna]

Its Edward's job, to do royal duties, and support his brother, who will be very busy. regardless of what title he has. It seem to me that Edward is not that pushed about that particular title, and he may not care about getting it at all.

True, but it feels weird that the son of a monarch doesn't have a dukedom.
Then again, his kids aren't styled as princess and prince either.

 

[Granada]

I watched the latest episode of Palace Confidential and the two 'in the know" guests, Royal Reporters Richard Kay and Richard Eden both said they believe that Charles has no plans to give the Edinburgh Title to Edward and Sophie.

I must admit that made me feel bad and sad for them. AND not happy that Charles is handling that this way. Unfair, petty and just mean.
Supposedly Charles has also made it known that in the interests of "family unity" Sarah will be invited to Sandringham for the first time in decades.

Why ? Who cares, except disgraced Andrew and The York Girls. Its not like the public was clamouring for Sarah to be welcomed back in the Family fold at Christmas time.
But something that some People do care about is being ignored. A promise and express wish of Edwards parents.
Edward, as head off the "Duke of Edinburgh Award" is expected to do the work, but not get the Title recognition.
Very disappointing.

 

[kimebear]

She couldn't do that as there can't be two people with the exact same title at the same time. She couldn't deny Charles' rights as Philip's heir (and also disinherit William, Harry and Andrew who also had a better claim than Edward to Philip's titles in 1999 and by the time he died George, Louis and Archie as well).

Then why make the statement at Edward's wedding about their wish that he become Duke of Edinburgh on Philip's death at all? Why not just give Edward another dukedom entirely and be done with the matter?

Something clearly went wrong over the years, and I doubt we will ever find out what that was.

 

[Denville]

Then why make the statement at Edward's wedding about their wish that he become Duke of Edinburgh on Philip's death at all? Why not just give Edward another dukedom entirely and be done with the matter?

Something clearly went wrong over the years, and I doubt we will ever find out what that was.

In 1999, the RF was not very popular, and it was probably felt that it was a good idea to give lesser titles to Ed and his offspring. And the queen liked the idea of leaving Edward free to take up PHilip's dukedom, later on. now it is 20 years later. Edward does not seem that keen on the idea, and there is a possiblity that the King does not want to give him a Scottish title, in case Scotland leaves the UK. Its not a matter of anyting going wrong but things changing over 20 years.

 

[Denville]

I watched the latest episode of Palace Confidential and the two 'in the know" guests, Royal Reporters Richard Kay and Richard Eden both said they believe that Charles has no plans to give the Edinburgh Title to Edward and Sophie.

I must admit that made me feel bad and sad for them. AND not happy that Charles is handling that this way. Unfair, petty and just mean.
Supposedly Charles has also made it known that in the interests of "family unity" Sarah will be invited to Sandringham for the first time in decades.

Why ? Who cares, except disgraced Andrew and The York Girls. Its not like the public was clamouring for Sarah to be welcomed back in the Family fold at Christmas time.
But something that some People do care about is being ignored. A promise and express wish of Edwards parents.
Edward, as head off the "Duke of Edinburgh Award" is expected to do the work, but not get the Title recognition.
Very disappointing.

They are just speculating.

 

[Denville]

True, but it feels weird that the son of a monarch doesn't have a dukedom.
Then again, his kids aren't styled as princess and prince either.

It was Edwards wish that the children would not be HRH, and as for the Dukedom, the trend now is to cut back on titles for younger children of monachs, so it is not that odd for him not to have a dukedom.

 

[Somebody]

It was Edwards wish that the children would not be HRH, and as for the Dukedom, the trend now is to cut back on titles for younger children of monachs, so it is not that odd for him not to have a dukedom.

Which other legitimate younger son of the monarch doesn't have dukedom in the UK?

Imho it is very odd that he is the only one/odd one out - given that the next generation (Harry) did receive it less than 5 years ago.

And which other monarchies previously gave out dukedoms to younger children/sons of monarch but have recently stopped doing so? I cannot think of any. Instead, I can think of an increase in Sweden, where previously only sons but now daughters also get a dukedom (or two).

If we extend to other countries, and try to look for somewhat comparable scenarios would it be ok for all children of Frederick and Mary to be prince(ss) of Denmark and for the youngest (Josephine in this case) to not be a princess (in a scenario where Christian, Isabella and Josephine were working for the royal family and Vincent was not)? Or for Sebastien to be reduced to a prince of Nassau while all of his elder siblings remain princes of Luxembourg? I'd have no problem with Louis losing his status as prince of Luxembourg (which he didn't) because he is no longer in line to the throne - but to treat younger siblings that are all in line to the throne differently in terms of titles makes no sense at all imho. And all of this in a scenario where the younger siblings in the next generation DO get to keep the highest titles.

 

[Iluvbertie]

Then why make the statement at Edward's wedding about their wish that he become Duke of Edinburgh on Philip's death at all? Why not just give Edward another dukedom entirely and be done with the matter?

Something clearly went wrong over the years, and I doubt we will ever find out what that was.

In 1999 The Queen, Philip and Charles said that when the title was available - which wouldn't be until both The Queen and Philip were dead that Edward would be given the Edinburgh title.

That was done to explain WHY Edward wasn't being given a Dukedom then.

Many people have wondered why The late Queen didn't create Edward as DoE after Philip died and the answer is she couldn't as Charles inherited the title from his father, just as he inherited the Crown from his mother.