I did see speculation *elsewhere* and that is whether the new title has a remainder that is 'gender-neutral'. That would mean that Lord Severn would eventually get the Edinburgh/Wessex peerage while Lady Louise would get the Forfar one. I doubt it, but an interesting idea.
I think wyevale meant to quote the second paragraph of LauraS3514's post #121.
Okay Don't know how that has anything to do with my response.
My apologies for the misunderstanding, as the clarification wasn't intended to have anything to do with your response. The was meant for wyevale's partial quotation of Laura's post, which happened to be quoted in yours.
Just for curiosity: I wonder if Edward and his siblings (and first cousins) maintain contact with their maternal second cousins? (Bowes-Lyon family)
Just for curiosity: I wonder if Edward and his siblings (and first cousins) maintain contact with their maternal second cousins? (Bowes-Lyon family)
At least on a public/social level they would have grown up with some of their cousins around. The queen has been very close to Margaret Rhodes until her death. Margaret's daughter in law Susan is one of her ladies in waiting. Margaret and her children would have been likely a constant in the lives of the queen's kids growing up. Not sure about adult life.
Patrick Anson (son of the queen's first cousin Anne Bowes-Lyon) was a royal photographer including Charles' wedding. His ex-wife has served as an extra lady in waiting to Anne since the 1979. Patrick's sister Elizabeth has been a party planner for the queen for decades so would have interacted with her second cousins there. Elizabeth planned the dinner for the royal family the evening before the wedding of William and Kate for instance.
Many of their second cousins are much older (due to the queen mum being one of the youngest siblings).
Absolutely no change now, and the only change in the future will be when Edward becomes Duke of Edinburgh. Then James will move up to Earl of Wessex (but not The Earl of Wessex as James' title will only be a courtesy one.) Currently James will eventually inherit all of Edward's titles. Louise will remain Lady Louise for life unless she marries into a higher title. (Unless of course they do end up with the HRH they were entitled to under the 1917 Letters Patent of George V, but that is extremely unlikely...)Does this new title mean a change in his children's titles ? Now and in the future ?
Forfar ? What for ?
Well, that’s very nice. But can someone tell me where the hell The Queen get these titles from? I mean, if your gonna give your child a royal title, make it an attractive one. Forfar? Really?
I wonder if Viscount Severn will now use Forfar instead as that is the normal practice - to use their father's second title.
As for Edward using it in Scotland what I have found interesting in the CC this year is that they haven't been using secondary titles at all other than for Charles e.g. William and Kate made a visit to Scotland and the CC didn't use Strathearn. The CC hasn't used Inverness for Andrew for about 20 years now. The CC didn't use Carrickfergus for the Cambridges on their recent visit to Northern Ireland. I would therefore expect the Wessexes to still be Wessex only when in Scotland in the CC.
It's traditional for the monarch's children to have three titles, Scots. English and Irish.
Does this new title mean a change in his children's titles ? Now and in the future ?
It's traditional for the monarch's children to have three titles, Scots. English and Irish. Although for some reason the English title tends to be the one used by the media, which can very annoying.
It's traditional for the monarch's children to have three titles, Scots. English and Irish. Although for some reason the English title tends to be the one used by the media, which can very annoying.
Forfar is an old title.
It's a bit annoying that the English titles tend to be used at the expense of the others. In Scotland people tend to just say "Prince William" or "Prince Harry" rather than use the English title.
Countess of Wessex at the Opening Ceremony of the Commission of the Status of Women in the UN General Assembly today 11 March
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Countess of Wessex at the Opening Ceremony of the Commission of the Status of Women in the UN General Assembly today 11 March
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So that’s Why the Wessexes weren’t at the commonwealth event today. I kept wondering.
Regarding the title? Honestly Forfar is a far better choice than what Harry got stuck with. Might explain why Harry got stuck with the dumbo name, Her Majesty was saving the better name for her son.
But I do wonder about this second Earldom, I hope it does not mean plans have changed for the Duke of Edinburgh title. IMO Edward and Sophie have proven their worth and deserve such the honor.
Granted though, it is a unique honor! I don't think any other royal child in modern history has been granted another title when not on their wedding day.
And Welsh not?
Here's the official notice from the British Monarchy Website: https://www.royal.uk/title-earl-wessex. No additional subsidiary titles are mentioned.
What is wrong with the title Earl of Dumbarton (1675) in comparison with the title Earl of Forfar (1661)? Both have roughly the same anciennity. The first creations of both earldoms went to a nobleman of the clan Douglas. I fail to see why the one is a "dumbo name" and the other not.
In 1987 Princess Anne was bestowed the title Princess Royal. The first one was Mary of Nassau née Stuart, The Princess of Orange, The Princess Royal (1642). Before Anne only six princesses were bestowed that title. None of them got it on the wedding day.
has there ever been - mainly in modern time- a second title (duke, earl and such) granted post marriage to a monarch child? (One that was not received because the forebear died, like with George V becoming PoW.
Interesting question so I looked it up but couldn't find any (perhaps someone else can). Here's the list of titles:
Queen Victoria's younger sons (given titles pre-marriage)
Prince Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Ulster, and Earl of Kent
Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn, Earl of Sussex
Prince Leopold, Duke of Albany, Earl of Clarence and Baron Arklow
King Edward VII had no younger sons during his reign
King George V's younger sons (given titles pre-marriage)
Prince Albert, Duke of York, Earl of Inverness and Baron Killarney
Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester, Earl of Ulster, and Baron Culloden
Prince George, Duke of Kent, Earl of St Andrews, and Baron Downpatrick
King George VI had no sons
Queen Elizabeth II's younger sons (given titles on marriage)
Prince Andrew, Duke of York, Earl of Inverness, and Baron Killyleagh
Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex
So Prince Edward has been given fewer titles than any recent younger sons of monarchs. Perhaps that's why the Queen wanted to give him another one at age 55.
As far as Harrys subsidiary title is regarded it's in the way the word is pronounced. I have never heard of the town of Dumbarton being spoken of as Dumb Barton. In my experience it's always been pronounced DumBarton, with the emphasis on the barton. Therefore there's nothing 'dumb' about it as far as I can see.
He is the First Earl of the second creation of the title.Will Edward be 1st Earl of Forfar or 3rd Earl of Forfar?