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When Texas debs are presented, they go down so low that they are literally flush with the floor; it’s called the Texas Dip.
Oh there can be horrible curtseys with a long gown. Just watch arrivals for the birthyday party of CP Frederick. Many cringeworthy moments there.
What parts of tehir anatomy are flush with the floor?When Texas debs are presented, they go down so low that they are literally flush with the floor; it’s called the Texas Dip.
What parts of tehir anatomy are flush with the floor?
Regarding Sweden there are no requirements. If you want to either bow, nod, curtsy it's up to you. The King is said to have abolished the custom of court curtseys when he ascended the throne and it's known that the wife of his grandfather, Queen Louise was slightly uncomfortable with them. She was the one who abolished the presentation of young ladies at court in the early fifties. Deep curtseys are in general only seen when the Bernadottes meet foreign royals. Many Swedes do a quick bob of the knees and a slightly lower but equally quick bob for the King and Queen seems to be standard among the females members of staff.It just occurred to me that we have never on this thread had a general organized discussion of where on the head nod to deep bow/curtsey question the various royal houses fall.
By that I mean that we know that BRF says "do as you like" but do other monarchies have a specific stated guideline or generally followed standard?
[emoji33] My legs feel hurt when I watch this video, I know it's pretty deep but I don't expect they have to twist their legs like that....
HSH Princess Charlene of Monaco curtsying to HRH the Prince of Wales and to HRH the Duchess of Cornwall
To this day I don't understand why Charlene curtsied to the PoW. Her mother in law Grace never curtsied to him
when they were together.
Whenever they met publically, Charles simply kissed Grace's hand and cheek.
When Princess Caroline met Diana Princess of Wales the two young women kissed one another as well....there was no curtsey.
I am tempted to believe that Charlene, who was newly married when she met Charles and Camilla, curtsied out of insecurity or lack of knowledge of protocol.
As the wife of a Head of State she should not have curtsied to an Heir even though she is a Serene Highness and he is a Royal Highness.
She should only curtsy to the Queen.
A curtsy is in no way subservient by definition IMO. It is a gesture of respect. If people don't like it, simply don't do it! No member of the public is required to curtsy or bow to any royal.
I’m not American, and even if I were, my father would not be caught dead presenting his only daughter to society (he told me that himself), not even at a local ball. My mom says those are the 1 percent of wealthiest people. Same with private school; she wouldn’t sent me or my brothers to one even if we could afford the 25 grand apiece per school year (so $75,000 in total). She says they’re just a bunch of wealthy snobs. Our parents both went to public school, so why shouldn’t we?
Charlene is an HSH whereas Charles and Camilla are HRHs. It is proper then that she should curtsy to them as they outrank her.
Nothing like reverse snobbery...the irony...Lots of folks scrimp and save and work more than one job to send their kids to private schools etc. Perhaps you should reconsider making such broad sweeping judgements of others. LaRae
I would disagree. Sarah has a point. I see the issue debated around me all the time.
No, as the wife if a Sovereign she outranks them, the HSH versus the HRH dosn't come into it. That's why at European royal events she and Albert are always seated ahead of the crown princes and their wives even though they are also royal highnesses.
I've had a private education for my entire childhood and my parents were far from being wealthy. Instead of being a group of snobs, we had an education that was taught to include a strict code of ethics in dealing with life and the people around us. Dignity, respect, tolerance and courtesy were as much a part of the curriculum as the subjects that were taught.
We were not required to bow or curtsy but we were expected to treat others with respect at all times. There was a time though I was required to bow and that was after the symphony orchestra I played with finished, we all stood up and bowed to the audience in appreciation for their clapping.
The important thing here is no matter who you are, prince or pauper, having respect for something other than one's self is a hallmark of being a civilized human being. Ralph Waldo Emerson's words still ring true today. "In my walks, every man I meet is my superior in some way, and in that I learn from him."
Oh there can be horrible curtseys with a long gown. Just watch arrivals for the birthyday party of CP Frederick. Many cringeworthy moments there.
A curtsy is in no way subservient by definition IMO. It is a gesture of respect. If people don't like it, simply don't do it! No member of the public is required to curtsy or bow to any royal.
If she is alone, she doesn’t take her husband’s rank.
Charlene is an HSH whereas Charles and Camilla are HRHs. It is proper then that she should curtsy to them as they outrank her.
It is fine to say that it is not a custom in your country and that should you ever encounter royalty you would not curtsey because it is not your culture. That is quite clear by your inaccurately equating a curtsey and by default a bow, with prostrating oneself or genuflecting. It has been centuries since either action were in common use, except within the Church.But it is 'subservient' by definition, however 'elegantly' executed. It's a couple of steps up from laying prostrate on the ground before the sovereign or conqueror, but the 'genuflection' or kneeling before another has very clear implications of who is superior/inferior. It's outmoded. As well as looking strange.
I say it's time to do away with it. We all seem to automatically nod our heads to each other upon greeting, when taking hands to shake hands. It seems to be a natural gesture of acknowledgement of the other across cultures, whereas prostration, kneeling, curtsey, has a very definite archaic significance best left imo.'Respect' to someone superior to one. It is obsequious, and especially so for a woman to do. (Imagine a man doing it to get the full 'flavor'). Sends all the wrong signals imo. I think when members of royal families do it amongst each other, that is another matter, something like theater perhaps. Okay. In all other cases, outmoded.
It is fine to say that it is not a custom in your country and that should you ever encounter royalty you would not curtsey because it is not your culture. That is quite clear by your inaccurately equating a curtsey and by default a bow, with prostrating oneself or genuflecting. It has been centuries since either action were in common use, except within the Church.
That you would choose to neither curtsey or bow to royalty is normal and makes sense and I would be very surprised if any royal took exception to such an event because if nothing else they have manners and respect the rights and customs of other people.
However, there are a lot of people, certainly here on this forum, to whom the concept of paying respects to one's Royal Family with a curtsey or bow is an accepted norm. Having curtseyed to HM and later to the heir and his wife, I resent being told that my act of respect is considered obsequious and outmoded. It most certainly was not. Good manners are never outmoded.
Your labelling it so shows a total lack of respect for those whose customs differ from your own. But you are culturally intolerant and disrespectful of your fellow forum members and, one would assume, any other person who lives in a monarchy and follows it's norms.
Hear, hear.
You're spot on, and it just eludes me that some constantly have the need to reduce the act(s) of tradition and respect shown towards a monarch or member of a Royal Family to something not belonging in our time. It may not belong in the world of the original poster, and that may stem from their country of origin, but when you live in and come from a nation that is thousands of years old, steeped in history and one that continues to have a monarch as head of state, it just comes naturally....
Oh, the irony.
Sorry but i don't understand why Princess Charlene should curtsey, she is the wife of a ruling Prince, and Prince Charles is the Prince of Wales, it doesn't look correct to curtsey.HSH Princess Charlene of Monaco curtsying to HRH the Prince of Wales and to HRH the Duchess of Cornwall
Sorry but i don't understand why Princess Charlene should curtsey, she is the wife of a ruling Prince, and Prince Charles is the Prince of Wales, it doesn't look correct to curtsey.