William and Kate: engagement and relationship rumours and musings 2005 - 2008

[SarahMay]

sorry, I couldn't remember if we are allowed to post tabloid newspapers , so I took them off of my post just in case

but here they are back up

MALONE: One Mis-Kate after another

MALONE: One Mis-Kate after another | Columnists|Carole Malone | News Of The World





WHEELS COME OFF ROYAL ROMANCE

TROUBLED Prince William has turned to his dad for advice over the future of his rocky romance with a heartbroken Kate Middleton.

Wills, 26, has been torn between a life with Kate and making a career in the RAF flying rescue helicopters.


After a heart-to-heart with Prince Charles, William decided to put the romance on ice while he completes his training.

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[Menarue]

When the press publish unflattering photos of a celebrity (royal or not) it is a sure sign that the person is out of Press favour. It is very hard to fall in a dignified way but the photo of her spread out on the ice was not a very nice shot to publish, but then they took that one of Princess Diana before she married with the "see through" dress although that wasn´t done in a nasty way.

 

[angieuk]

Poor Catherine
DUMP HIM AND BE HAPPY .. this guy is just using you why wait for years for a proposal that may never come. I think William is a CAD .. not for not marrying her but for not telling her how it is. Dont' treat her mean to keep her keen. IF YOU TRULY LOVE HER let her go and marry someone more worthy of her .. ITS CLEARLY NOT YOU. SELFISH and self centred William. This Flying Stunt is just another BRUSH OFF TO HER. Apparently only telling her a few days before it was officially announced a 5-year stint in the Air Force. Nothing wrong with that but he should be decent and end it and if she is still around in 5 years fine if not give her a chance to fine someone more decent!

 

[Incas]

Poor Catherine

During their brief split last year, Kate never acted the role of damsel in distress. In fact, she got on with her life with a bright smile. So if she is sticking aournd for another five years, it will be her choice.

 

[Duchess]

When the press publish unflattering photos of a celebrity (royal or not) it is a sure sign that the person is out of Press favour. It is very hard to fall in a dignified way but the photo of her spread out on the ice was not a very nice shot to publish, but then they took that one of Princess Diana before she married with the "see through" dress although that wasn´t done in a nasty way.

i agree that when the press start publishing unflattering photos, the subject is falling out of favour but i believe, in most cases, that it's because the public is tiring of the same old stuff and the press believes they need to spice things up a bit. i'm sure the media has been dying for something negative to print about catherine and if the only thing they can dig up is a picture of her falling down while skating then she's got nothing to worry about in terms of her public image.

 

[Ella Kay]

I absolutely agree, Duchess. The Mail has been resorting to searching internet forums for photos of Kate's siblings to write stories ... you know they're just slobbering for Kate to do anything that could even be possibly construed as negative. One slip on roller skates, and bam -- just the thing they wanted!

 

[Elspeth]

They used to do the same with Princess Anne when she was eventing - she said that the press would be there just waiting for her to fall off her horse.

 

[Menarue]

During their brief split last year, Kate never acted the role of damsel in distress. In fact, she got on with her life with a bright smile. So if she is sticking aournd for another five years, it will be her choice.

That is true, he broke off with her saying he was too young or some such thing, then it seemed that everywhere William went there she was with obvious press interest. The excuse was that she had the same friends but everytime he moved there she was, it may be a bit harsh but to me it was almost as though she was stalking him. It worked, after breaking off with her, she got him back. I hope it isn´t just prolonging the agony for her.

 

[Isana]

Where did William move that Kate followed him to? During the split she stayed in London the whole time where she had been living before and William was with the Blues and Royals in Windsor. I would also not be aware that they attended the same locations together.

 

[Menarue]

One wedding various night clubs and parties, I don´t think she went into the regiment following him. There were photos of her at the same places for some time in the press as they were interested.

 

[Isana]

I never heard anything about them attending the same parties during their split. Which wedding did she go to? I only recall the army ball William invited her to in June but that was when they were already back together. She did go to Bouji etc. but never when William was there. I more had the impression that they deliberately avoided each other and their friends made sure they wouldn't meet.

 

[zembla]

It's always been a possibility to me that William could end it with Kate, and start something with a new girl and quickly marry her instead.

The children option seems strange, no one would expect them to be parents right away...and furthermore, if she's never been pregnant then no one even knows how difficult it could be for her. Not everyone can just have a baby when they want to, that seems to be happening more and more today...

 

[Menarue]

Prince William attended Kate Middleton´s cousin´s wedding 21 July 2007 because he said he had promised to attend and didn´t want to let the cousin down. Admittedly that was not Kate stalking as it was her cousin´s wedding.

 

[SarahMay]

That is true, he broke off with her saying he was too young or some such thing, then it seemed that everywhere William went there she was with obvious press interest. The excuse was that she had the same friends but everytime he moved there she was, it may be a bit harsh but to me it was almost as though she was stalking him. It worked, after breaking off with her, she got him back. I hope it isn´t just prolonging the agony for her.

I still don't understand how Kate felt wearing short-shorts would help her be taken more seriously as a charity fund raiser and would show she was doing something. This is the second Charity she has done and it has somewhat backfired on her, the Charity Amazon Boat Race and now this recent skating one. If the Pr. William or Palace wants her to be taken seriously as a future Princess, I wonder why no help for her, because this one kind of turned out bad for her pr wise.

also..... I do recall she frequented their old nightclub haunts (when they broke up) Bijous,Mahiki, I can't recall the name of the clubs ,once with Jecca's ex boyfriend or someone previously close to Jecca, name Ropner, a Aristocratic guy,some press felt it was to get attention from William. She also went to a couple nightclubs where William's friend Guy Pelly was having events or something. William basically avoided the clubs at that point I think.

 

[Menarue]

Yes, I think you are right, William avoided these clubs but she was there often...and she knew that his friends would tell him all about it.
Those short shorts were definitely too short for a girl hoping to be a Queen, she didn´t know she was going to photographed sprawled out like that but it wasn´t a very wise choice, but if I remember rightly she first attracted William´s attention when she modeled underwear at the University!

 

[Skydragon]

Actually they did try to nip things in the bud, it was broken off at one time. There are always people at the palace looking into things. If you can read "The Queen & Di" by Ingrid Seward, who has been in close contact with the royal family for years.
The Queen likes to know everything that is going on with her family and relies on information from the different people in her household as she can´t exactly go out and see herself. I don´t think the fact that Kate Middleton was invited to a wedding or went to Prince William´s passing-out at Sandhurst is a sign that she is accepted.

It would not be a good idea to believe everything one might read in books or the papers. Seward was not in 'close contact', she was the editor of a magazine. HM does like to be informed on her family, but I don't think she would ever interfere in the lives of any of them. Catherine would never have been invited to any of the events without HM's express permission.

 

[Iluvbertie]

It's always been a possibility to me that William could end it with Kate, and start something with a new girl and quickly marry her instead.

The children option seems strange, no one would expect them to be parents right away...and furthermore, if she's never been pregnant then no one even knows how difficult it could be for her. Not everyone can just have a baby when they want to, that seems to be happening more and more today...

Based in past experience with royal marriages e.g. CPs of Denmark and Spain, along with Diana, there was a lot of media speculation about how long it would take to get pregnant.

The first duty of a royal marriage is to have the next royal generation and the later they leave the marriage the more intense that pressure would be.

Anne was able to wait for 4 years due to being 4th in line at the time and being only 23 at marriage but other royal brides marrying later have been expected to have children within the first year or so. e.g. Mary in Denmark and Letizia in Spain - both older ladies but Kate is also getting older and if they wait until he finishes in the service she will also be in her early 30s.

If they married next year then they could wait a few years but the pressure will be on - at least until someone else in William's generation has a child.

 

[zembla]

Well as most people know after the age of 30, pregnancy becomes more of an obstacle...so who knows what will happen. It's a shame there is pressure, especially if neither one would actually want kids.

 

[Iluvbertie]

Well as most people know after the age of 30, pregnancy becomes more of an obstacle...so who knows what will happen. It's a shame there is pressure, especially if neither one would actually want kids.

I think that is why there is this apparent delay in the wedding.

I think they will get married and have a family as soon as possible, after having done the pre-family time that most couples these days tend to enjoy before the wedding.

There has been no suggestion of which I am aware that says that neither Kate nor William don't want kids but just rather that they aren't ready yet and so delaying the wedding delays the kids until they are ready.

 

[Mermaid1962]

This sentence made my day, Skydragon! I'm not an I.S. fan at all.

Seward was not in 'close contact', she was the editor of a magazine.

 

[Odette]

I think that is why there is this apparent delay in the wedding.


There has been no suggestion of which I am aware that says that neither Kate nor William don't want kids but just rather that they aren't ready yet and so delaying the wedding delays the kids until they are ready.

Forgive me for sayng this but this is a most cocamemi reason for delaying a marriage I ever heard of. Last time I checked there was no deadline as to how soon anyone should have a baby. To delay a marriage because the couple is not ready to become parents yet??? Whoever suggested this did not exactly think the statement over. I am not suggesting they rush into anything but for a couple in their late 20's marrying and waiting for 10 years to have a child should not be that unusual.

 

[Ella Kay]

I think the difference, Odette, is that not every young couple who marries and waits 10 years to have a child is a royal couple being pressured to produce an heir and a spare to secure the succession. So while pressure to have a child might not be significant enough to make a "regular" couple delay marriage, I think it absolutely could be a good reason for William and Kate to do so.

 

[Angl3]

I think that to wed a royal the bride must be Virgin, so is Kate virgin???

 

[Jo of Palatine]

I think that to wed a royal the bride must be Virgin, so is Kate virgin???

That is not longer necessary. Today it is enough if she doesn't have a shady past and Catherine has only ever dated William.

 

[Jo of Palatine]

I think the difference, Odette, is that not every young couple who marries and waits 10 years to have a child is a royal couple being pressured to produce an heir and a spare to secure the succession. So while pressure to have a child might not be significant enough to make a "regular" couple delay marriage, I think it absolutely could be a good reason for William and Kate to do so.

The moment Catherine or any other lady says yes to william in a church, the media will start to stare at her belly and speculate. And they will only stop once the heir is born. Just take a look at the Joachim and Marie of Denmark-thread. Joachim already has two sons and he is fourth in line now, but still the whole world seems to wait for Marie to get pregnant immediately. Same will happen to william's bride. no doubt about that.

 

[Isana]

Right and if she doesn't get pregnant within the first year speculation about her health and her ability to conceive will start. Certainly not a nice situation to be in either.

 

[Menarue]

When I said that Ingrid Seward had been in close contact, by that I meant that she had at least had interviews and spoken to members of the RF over the years which not many people have. In fact she had an interview with Princess Diana just a month or so before she died. To have these interviews and write the articles in the magazine she says she has come to know many members of the royal household(s). I believe that she has come to know far more about the RF than the normal newspaper jounalist, photographer, reader or the casual or no matter how enthusiastic observer.
Never for a moment would I think that either Kate or Chelsy could be invited to a royal wedding without HM´s consent and that only proves that she has her eye on what is going on in her family but I still don´t think that it is a sign of her acceptance of her grandson´s future bride, I think it shows more of a grandmother´s indulgence to her grandson´s wishes...... I wish that I thought that Kate Middleton was the right person for a future Queen, the future will tell, and it is the Queen who will have the last word on this.
In the meantime I think it would be wise for Kate Middleton not to run round in sequinned hotpants as she just might take another tumble.

 

[Jo of Palatine]

I wish that I thought that Kate Middleton was the right person for a future Queen, the future will tell, and it is the Queen who will have the last word on this.

I'M not so convinced that the queen will have the last word on this, IMHO Charles has already shown that he is his own man and if he likes and welcomes Catherine, then William will be able to marry her, no matter what the queen thinks.

I believe with Charles' 60th birthday we're going to see a shift in the responsibilities. IMHO the queen will take a bit more of a backseat and let Charles and Camilla step forward in order to make the ascension of Charles easier for him and the people of Britain. We might well see parliament officially deciding that it is simply not done to deny Camilla her title as queen as one of the first steps, then Charles and Camilla doing more official engagements in lieu of the queen/Philip and finally Charles as accepted figurehead of the RF with his mother enjoying a bit more leisure.

 

[Menarue]

What I meant Jo is that no member of the royal family, least of all the future King of England, can marry without the sovereign´s consent so the last word is definitely with the Queen or Prince Charles if at that time he is King.

 

[Ella Kay]

What I meant Jo is that no member of the royal family, least of all the future King of England, can marry without the sovereign´s consent so the last word is definitely with the Queen or Prince Charles if at that time he is King.

While this is certainly true, I think the most recent royal marriages show that the Queen is more concerned with making her children happy than with issues of who is "right" for the role. I'll never forget when I heard that Charles was finally going to be allowed to marry Camilla -- I couldn't believe the Queen would give her okay, given the history of the pair. But I think she's more modern and more flexible than most of us would imagine when it comes to happiness in marriage for her family.