Will Charles Ever Reign?


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Our monarchy isn't about needed a fresh breeze. We have a monarchy in which the eldest son of the reigning monarch inherits the throne. (can't remember what its called - its late in Britain!!) Prince Charles must be and quite rightly must be King. If not the instituion will become a joke. Something which the growing number of republicans would love.
 
primogeniture, Georgia!
 
Thanks, I'll have forgotten next time i post!! I'll have to keep referring back.
 
Von Schlesian said:
Indeed God Save the Queen!! Long mey Her Majesty reign over us, us who debate about the legitimacy of Her Majesty's successors, in spite of Her Majesty's excellent health, the well known long life-spans of Windsor women, and direct statement of there being no chance of Her Majesty's abdication while she is physically and mentally able.

I have emphasised my un-easiness with this topic, and am glad Tiaraprin that you made that simple, but clear statement.
WEll-said, Von Schlesian,i always give my support as much as i can for Her Majesty, maybe some people want Prince Charles to take the throne but Her Majesty is a really regal and Majestic Queen, she has done really woderful work during these 53 years, i wish she will reign for more 15-20 years with good health for her.I pray GOD BLESS OUR GRACIOUS QUEEN.
 
ysbel said:
Charles is going to have some problems as King but I think acceptance of Camilla is the least of his problems. He seems in his own way as resentful as Diana was. (example, when he told William at the ski slopes that he hated the press) Its really not a good attitude to have especially when the job entails meeting a lot of people most of whom one thinks are inane or stupid. And its really sad to think he had to ask William what to do about the press. William is only 23 years old for chrissakes. A monarch can't gain respect if he has to ask his 23 year old son how to handle the press.

Did you ever think that it's admirable that Charles sought his grown son's advice as an adult whose opinon he values? William and Harry both have grown up in the public eye, for a time with Diana who was one of the most photographed woman in the world. They both I'm sure have their own ways of coping with the press and can give their father valuable advice just as he can give them advice.

Parents are parents but parents can also learn from their children. It's not a one way street, especially when both "children" are in their early twenties.

The Queen and the rest of the royal family learned from Diana's example to be more personable when in public. Would you say too that it was ridiculous that the Queen took a cue from her daughter in law about how to behave in public on some occasions? That she lost respect because of this?
 
I agree Genevieve, I think it was sweet that Will helped his father. It showed that they are a close family that leans on each other when they are upset.
 
Georgia said:
Our monarchy isn't about needed a fresh breeze. We have a monarchy in which the eldest son of the reigning monarch inherits the throne. (can't remember what its called - its late in Britain!!) Prince Charles must be and quite rightly must be King. If not the instituion will become a joke. Something which the growing number of republicans would love.

I agree. Monarchy isn't about needing a fresh breeze. It really doesn't matter who the people want to be King, Charles or William. We don't have a say in it. I think Charles will become King, but considering his mothers current state of health and genetics, I'm guessing she still has a lot left in her. Yay!:)
Maybe he'll live a long time too, or maybe he'll have a short reign?Who knows, I'm not clairvoyant, though sometimes I think that would be pretty cool! Living thought a coronation would be exciting, but at the same time that would probably mean the death of QEII, and I don't want that!
 
Personally, I think Charles would not make a good King. I wish him well in his personal life, but as a King, I don't think he would be as effective/admired as his mother, grandfather and great grandfather.
 
I agree michelleq, he has huge shoes to fill and I don't think he is up to par.
 
michelleq said:
Personally, I think Charles would not make a good King. I wish him well in his personal life, but as a King, I don't think he would be as effective/admired as his mother, grandfather and great grandfather.

I agree wholeheartedly!!!
 
Charles will most definitly take the throne, but I have a strong feeling he shall be another Edward VII in terms of reign. Which, may I add is'nt his fault.

Charles' heart is in the right place, this I can see. He means well and there is no doubt in my mind that if he could undo the wrong doings of his past, he would in an instant. He is a very compassionate indavidual who tries so very hard to do what is right for his family & his country.

I do however wish for the Queen to reign as long as, or even longer than her great, great grandmother, the Queen Alexandrina Victoria. This however depends of the "Bg Guy" upstairs and what he has planned.

God save the Queen and long may she reign! We shall never see another reign like it.
 
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I for one have <always> liked Charles. (As I have liked Diana equally. Camilla? Blank slate to me. She's suffered horrible press but to her credit has <never> granted an interview to anyone, so what do we really know regarding her, versus what Diana's PR has told us?)

Over the years there's been more attention to the wrongs he did his ex wife, than the many many great efforts he's spearheaded in many fields such as organic farming and his fights to preserve historic architecture in the face of greedy real estate developers. He has shown artistic and intelectual prowess.

OK, so he may be less of a social butterfly than his deceased ex spouse, but I think it is telling that he is said to be great friends privately with such people as queen Rania of Jordan and the venerable king of Spain, Juan Carlos.

And as for those who'd rather have William ascend tomorrow, should the queen pass on: what do we really know about the 'kid'?! other than that he is handsome, has a smile remeniscent of his mourned mum, likes waterpolo and swahili, is politically correct but said to loathe the press as much as he loves the now-banned 'sport' of fox hunting.

I'd say let's give Charles the benefit of the doubt. He might make a decent king, albeit not a politically correct one. But that should be fine with us, no? Watching royals would get boring otherwise.

The only wild card I can see regarding Charles is Camilla. Sure, once Charles ascends the throne, the British will have to swallow Charles's partner in law as well. But will they? I think that will very much remain to be seen...
 
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I think Charles will be a fantastic King.
As for those who want William to be our next King. I quite imagine those same people thought Charles would be a great King when he was 23.
What I mean is no one knows what kind of man William will be in the future.
Perhaps in 40 years William will have married Kate, had a public affair with Chelsey, spent millions on therepy for sex addiction and run away to the foreign legion!!
All very tongue in cheek but you get the point.
 
Seems to me, there has always been a bias against Charles based on looks. When he was young and single, he was the dashing prince. After he married the first time, compared to a more photogenic wife, he became an slightly accentric figure with big ears. Now with both sons grown into photogenic young men, again in comparison, he comes up short in this image conscious time. A lot of criticism against Charles during the breakdown of his first marriage was centered around "how could he look at anyone less beautiful than his wife?". Their private behavior was an afterthought. And I think, many made excuses for Diana's behavior because of her looks. I wonder how many people would still expect Charles to step aside if he had been the better looking partner in that first marriage.
 
assume you can only be referring to his being unfaithfull to his wife because cannot think of a more politically correct person.
princess olga said:
I'd say let's give Charles the benefit of the doubt. He might make a decent king, albeit not a politically correct one. But that should be fine with us, no? Watching royals would get boring otherwise.
 
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Well, he has strong opinions about urban architecture and preserving countryside that's not well received by the professionals.
 
Do not know about not being well received, there is always someone who will critisize.

Think he will have to drop most if not all the things he is doing at the moment, when king he has to be neutral and represent the uk. One of the perks of not becoming king for ages is that you can do much more as you please.

Incas said:
Well, he has strong opinions about urban architecture and preserving countryside that's not well received by the professionals.
 
susan alicia said:
Do not know about not being well received, there is always someone who will critisize.

I agree susan alicia; there will always be someone who disapproves or criticizes of a leader. Nobody has 100% approval of the masses. Even the Queen, as well respected as she is does not have 100% approval within Britain. There are some (even a small group) dislike her and feel that someone else could do a better job.

Charles may have more critics than others because of his pesonal life, but that doesn't mean that he will be a bad king. Some people make a terrible mess of their private lives but are very impressive in their professional lives, and vice versa.

I don't think it's fair to judge the kind of King Charles will be until we actually see him in action.
 
Incas said:
Seems to me, there has always been a bias against Charles based on looks. When he was young and single, he was the dashing prince. After he married the first time, compared to a more photogenic wife, he became an slightly accentric figure with big ears. Now with both sons grown into photogenic young men, again in comparison, he comes up short in this image conscious time. A lot of criticism against Charles during the breakdown of his first marriage was centered around "how could he look at anyone less beautiful than his wife?". Their private behavior was an afterthought. And I think, many made excuses for Diana's behavior because of her looks. I wonder how many people would still expect Charles to step aside if he had been the better looking partner in that first marriage.

The last thing I would ever think of in relation to Charles being a bad king is his looks. That is grasping at straws.

I think he will not make a good king because he could not manage his own private life, and he cannot abide by the rules of Royals remaining above the political fray. If you can't manage your own life, how are you going to be the Head of State representing millions of people?
 
POW happy and settled

tiaraprin said:
I think he will not make a good king because he could not manage his own private life... If you can't manage your own life, how are you going to be the Head of State representing millions of people?
I would have thought that the private life of the Prince of Wales is now happily settled. He is married to the woman he loves, one son has gained his university degree with flying colours and his girfriend seems accepted by the family, while the other son appears to have settled into his army training quite well. One stepson has just been married, and the step-daughter's wedding is possibly not far off. As a bonus there has been less drama and histrionics with the public reaction and acceptance of his second wife than perhaps was anticipated.

I would suggest that in his private or family life the situation for the Prince of Wales is better now than it has been for many years.
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He certainly looks more relaxed. It'll be interesting to see how he develops as he starts taking on more duties for the Queen.
 
Genevieve said:
Did you ever think that it's admirable that Charles sought his grown son's advice as an adult whose opinon he values?

I'm coming back to this thread a bit late, but I think its incredibly unfair to Will that Charles had to ask his son to coach him through a simple public appearance. I have the highest regards to William's ability but he sounded embarassed over the whole thing.

Part of why I think this is that I suspect Diana confided in William a lot about her marital breakdown when he was a young teenager. This is incredibly tough on a young boy and I just think its so unfair now that Diana is gone that his father is leaning on him too. The kid can't get a break from his parents it seems. :(
 
agree with harry polos shirt, genevieve and aussie princess,
my view is that asking your son advice is a very sweet way to show that you value their opinion and give them (even more) selfconfidence

It is a pity that Diana burdened her child with her troubles, if it is true it is one of the few things she did not do very well. Unfortunately lots of parents think about their own needs first.



ysbel said:
I'm coming back to this thread a bit late, but I think its incredibly unfair to Will that Charles had to ask his son to coach him through a simple public appearance. I have the highest regards to William's ability but he sounded embarassed over the whole thing.

Part of why I think this is that I suspect Diana confided in William a lot about her marital breakdown when he was a young teenager. This is incredibly tough on a young boy and I just think its so unfair now that Diana is gone that his father is leaning on him too. The kid can't get a break from his parents it seems. :(
 
Maybe I should have posted the transcript. :) I'm thinking if Charles had meant it to show confidence in Will, it showed instead that Charles couldn't handle a simple photo op. Will sounded exasperated with his father. I felt bad for him.



transcript excerpt from BBC:



Prince Charles:"Do I put my arms around you?"

Prince William: "No, don't but you can take the horrible glasses away."

Charles: "Do not be rude about my glasses, I couldn't bear it if you were."

Charles: "What do we do?" William: "Keep smiling, keep smiling."
 
Sorry Ysbel,

now I remember seeing it on tv too,
did not know you were referring to this incident. Charles was indeed depressed or something was wrong, his behaviour was not logical and I was disappointed.

ysbel said:
Maybe I should have posted the transcript. :) I'm thinking if Charles had meant it to show confidence in Will, it showed instead that Charles couldn't handle a simple photo op. Will sounded exasperated with his father. I felt bad for him.



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Prince Charles:"Do I put my arms around you?"

Prince William: "No, don't but you can take the horrible glasses away."

Charles: "Do not be rude about my glasses, I couldn't bear it if you were."

Charles: "What do we do?" William: "Keep smiling, keep smiling."
 
No problem susan. I actually think he'd make a good king if he could sort some things out for himself. Marrying Camilla was a good start, she seems to give him confidence and he seems to be settling down.

Actually I think he's already taking over quite a few duties from the Queen. He's already doing the investitures and he represents her abroad.

I think he'll turn out alright.
 
ysbel said:
Maybe I should have posted the transcript. :) I'm thinking if Charles had meant it to show confidence in Will, it showed instead that Charles couldn't handle a simple photo op. Will sounded exasperated with his father. I felt bad for him.
I see what you mean but wasn't this the week before the wedding, with all the muddle and bad media and death threats etc? I think William is just very media savvy so Charles turned to him. I wouldn't think he does that in general, and anyway, now he has Camilla for support. As for William, his father would be a piece of cake to look after compared to his mother.
 
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