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Bravo Scout for your analysis.
soCal girl said:what did people think of the fashion shoots that went along with most of the interviews?
scout said:- Mary’s fashion shoots were pretty well received in Denmark. The gossip magazines made a big deal out of them, and some of them used titles such as "Mary as model" - but the tone was positive, "look how beautiful our princess is" - kind of stuff. The Interviews connected with the shoots were about fashion, and Mary’s involvement as patronage of the Danish fashion industry. I remember national TV interviewing people on the street asking them what they thought about the shoots. People would smile or laugh, and say they were beautiful - and everyone answered that it was quite ok for her to do this, and that it was good for the fashion industry.
A controversy did arise - but not about the fashion shoots. The editor of the most aggressive Danish gossip rag - "Se og Hør" - complained that the shoots and interviews had gone to "elitist" magazines like Vogue and "Dansk", instead of normal gossip magazines. This was debated in the press, where some "experts" concluded it was a wise choice, which helped maintain the purpose of the shoots as promoting the Danish fashion industry.
It is also worth noting, that the fashion shoots were quickly forgotten again in Denmark (quite unlike on this board), since new interesting Mary-subjects soon appeared (Is she pregnant, the trip to Australia, solo engagements etc. etc.). They left an impression of Mary as fashion interested and fashion supporting - but not as fashion mad or having model aspirations. Maybe the fact that Alexandra did a fashion shoot for the magazine "Costume" in connection with her 40th birthday (½ a year - 1 year before Mary’s?) made it easier. Alexandra being the first Danish princess in decades, she has pretty much been able to define the job in Denmark.
Lady_Diana said:I've just bought the most recent New Idea magazine, with it's pullout "Souvenir Section", and I've decided that I am sick to death of Mary, or at the very least, I am sick to death of how she is portrayed in the media, and here are my reasons why.
1. She is NOT Crown Princess Mary of Denmark. Because she's not Royal OR Danish by birth. She is Mary, Crown Princess of Denmark. Big difference.
2. Beautiful/gorgeous/breathtaking. She's attractive yes, but I'd stop at pretty. I'll give her that, but I've seen a lot of women who were a lot more so. I think very often she looks like a deer caught in headlights, or a crazed woman ready to snap. And get rid of that stupid middle part in your hair. Speaking of hair, wear it pulled up and back more often or get a decent haircut, because you look sloppy when it's all just hanging shapelessly around your face.
3. Fashinable and elegant. Yes, and everyone else would be too, if they had fashion houses looking after them, not to mention a vastly larger wardrobe budget. Also, those super-ultra-mega pointed toe shoes you seem to be unable to do without make you look like you have kangaroo feet: one big giant clawed toe. Let's face it, in the pics of her pre-Fred, she wasn't too fashionable. More like down right daggy at times.
4. So intelligent and switched on. Well, she's obviously not a moron, but degrees and diplomas only point out what a good student she was. They do not necessarily equal a high IQ. Her father is a uni professor! She probably had very little say about her attending uni or not.
Yes, she has learned and manages a very difficult language, but so can anyone else if they have the desire, the practice, self discipline, and yes, the money to hire tutors and classes in that language. It's not a unique skill she alone possesses. I know a woman working for DIMIA who speaks 4 languages, fluently. Where is her magazine cover?
5. So clever and unconventional. Because she quieted her baby by sticking her pinky in his mouth??? Oh please, I don't even have kids and I did the same thing with my nephew at Kmart. Or was the unconventional part about her wearing 5kg of flowers on her head instead of the traditional hat? (Oh the rebellion! Will the monarchy weather this kind of hell raising behavior? I hold my breath in anticipation. Not.) Of course, the more I look at it, the more it grows on me, that floral head piece. I foresee a trend in religious ceremony attire.
6. So brave, yet so innocent. Give me a break already. She's an ambitious girl, who did her homework, played all the right cards, and is now reaping the benefits and drawbacks to marrying into the DRF. I refuse to believe that she had no idea who Fred was, or that he's a CP. I do believe that they are in love, but I just can't help but think that him being who he is didn't help it along juuuuuuust a little. I'd bet almost anything that she envisioned herself wearing a tiara and a ball gown waving at her adoring subjects, at least once in the earliest part of the relationship.
I've decided I'm not buying anymore magazines. They just take a situation or a person and either glorify them to the point of saint/martyr, or they blast the hell out of them for being like everybody else.
Mary is simply another human being in extrordinary circumstances, and is no more or less special than say, my sister, the girl behind the counter at the bakery, or any other woman walking down the street. The only difference is that she's got media attention. She has my sympathies.
Oh, I do think Princess Christian is ADORABLE, and favours Mary, thank God. I'd hate for him to have a lightbulb shaped head like his father appears to have. Maybe it's just the angle of the pics. I don't know.
There. I've said my piece, I feel much better. I've probably offended many a Fred and Mary fan, but that's the way I feel.
Lady_Diana said:Also, those super-ultra-mega pointed toe shoes you seem to be unable to do without make you look like you have kangaroo feet: one big giant clawed toe. Let's face it, in the pics of her pre-Fred, she wasn't too fashionable. More like down right daggy at times.
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scout said:About Alexandra’s reception compared to Mary's - I agree completely with fromEU. Alexandra was welcomed with open arms, and there was absolutely no controversy. Now, in Denmark we unfortunately have our share of racists, just like all other countries, so I'm sure there were some who didn't like the thought of a part-Chinese girl entering the royal house. Personally I met one such person, and all I can say is that her views on other issues were just as pathetically narrow-minded and sad. But the entire press, and seemingly most of the population, went into instant, almost scary, delight with her. I still remember a friend calling me, yelling at me to turn on the TV - and there I found a press conference about to start, presenting the engaged couple. As they came out the door to stand on the stairs, an older reporter manically began to yell "you're beautiful, you're beautiful" - now that is NOT normal behaviour! As fromEU writes, she arrived at a time when we had a serious princess-deficit, and everybody wanted to hear about her. A gossip magazine editor, interviewed in connection with the resent christening, told that although Mary means enormous sales today, it was the arrival of Alexandra that "revived the gossip-trade" in Denmark, bringing on a whole new era. The tradition of being positive about the royals in the press was even stronger then, so it really was all roses. It is true as Alexandria writes above, that quite a deal was made about someone partially of Asian descent marrying into the Danish royal family - but it was in an interested and positive fashion - at least everything in the Danish media. I have been quite surprised to see this - in my opinion myth - about initial racism being rather widespread on English speaking boards. My guess would be that the English speaking gossip press made it up in connection with the divorce - which turned out so depressingly scandal-free (from gossip-press perspective!) - or in connection with their rather desperate attempt to create a Mary - Alexandra rivalry. Maybe others can remember when they started to hear about this??
Alexandra’s popularity certainly continued to rise, but it started out very well indeed. People have often said that it would be really hard for whoever Frederik married to live up to this. I think they forget that the same things that prepared the way for Alexandra would be there for her, plus Frederiks greater popularity. All in all, though I personally think both Danish princesses are doing a really good job in Denmark, I have no doubt that the Danish press traditions, and the general relationship between the Danish population and the royal house, makes it somewhat easier to be a new princess in Denmark than in some other countries. At the same time however, as I mentioned in an earlier post, it would be a mistake to think there is no effort, planning or skill behind the aparently easy Danish royal life.
carlota said:i also enjoy your posts very much scout. so, can we say that denmark really wanted princesses and that's why they both became so popular although being normal women?
what about the magazine factor? did alexandra, frederik or joachim give interviews to magazines anytime?
what i heard about alexandra was that thing you said about racism and all that. it's good to hear that she was well accepted.
Ariel said:Alexandra has given interviews to magazines and she also made a photo shoot, like scout said, she did one in 2003 for Costume. The link to the cover is http://www.benjamin.dk/shop/index.php?cPath=24_30_42
Lady_Diana said:I've just bought the most recent New Idea magazine, with it's pullout "Souvenir Section", and I've decided that I am sick to death of Mary, or at the very least, I am sick to death of how she is portrayed in the media, and here are my reasons why.
1. She is NOT Crown Princess Mary of Denmark. Because she's not Royal OR Danish by birth. She is Mary, Crown Princess of Denmark. Big difference.
2. Beautiful/gorgeous/breathtaking. She's attractive yes, but I'd stop at pretty. I'll give her that, but I've seen a lot of women who were a lot more so. I think very often she looks like a deer caught in headlights, or a crazed woman ready to snap. And get rid of that stupid middle part in your hair. Speaking of hair, wear it pulled up and back more often or get a decent haircut, because you look sloppy when it's all just hanging shapelessly around your face.
3. Fashinable and elegant. Yes, and everyone else would be too, if they had fashion houses looking after them, not to mention a vastly larger wardrobe budget. Also, those super-ultra-mega pointed toe shoes you seem to be unable to do without make you look like you have kangaroo feet: one big giant clawed toe. Let's face it, in the pics of her pre-Fred, she wasn't too fashionable. More like down right daggy at times.
4. So intelligent and switched on. Well, she's obviously not a moron, but degrees and diplomas only point out what a good student she was. They do not necessarily equal a high IQ. Her father is a uni professor! She probably had very little say about her attending uni or not.
Yes, she has learned and manages a very difficult language, but so can anyone else if they have the desire, the practice, self discipline, and yes, the money to hire tutors and classes in that language. It's not a unique skill she alone possesses. I know a woman working for DIMIA who speaks 4 languages, fluently. Where is her magazine cover?
5. So clever and unconventional. Because she quieted her baby by sticking her pinky in his mouth??? Oh please, I don't even have kids and I did the same thing with my nephew at Kmart. Or was the unconventional part about her wearing 5kg of flowers on her head instead of the traditional hat? (Oh the rebellion! Will the monarchy weather this kind of hell raising behavior? I hold my breath in anticipation. Not.) Of course, the more I look at it, the more it grows on me, that floral head piece. I foresee a trend in religious ceremony attire.
6. So brave, yet so innocent. Give me a break already. She's an ambitious girl, who did her homework, played all the right cards, and is now reaping the benefits and drawbacks to marrying into the DRF. I refuse to believe that she had no idea who Fred was, or that he's a CP. I do believe that they are in love, but I just can't help but think that him being who he is didn't help it along juuuuuuust a little. I'd bet almost anything that she envisioned herself wearing a tiara and a ball gown waving at her adoring subjects, at least once in the earliest part of the relationship.
I've decided I'm not buying anymore magazines. They just take a situation or a person and either glorify them to the point of saint/martyr, or they blast the hell out of them for being like everybody else.
Mary is simply another human being in extrordinary circumstances, and is no more or less special than say, my sister, the girl behind the counter at the bakery, or any other woman walking down the street. The only difference is that she's got media attention. She has my sympathies.
Oh, I do think Princess Christian is ADORABLE, and favours Mary, thank God. I'd hate for him to have a lightbulb shaped head like his father appears to have. Maybe it's just the angle of the pics. I don't know.
There. I've said my piece, I feel much better. I've probably offended many a Fred and Mary fan, but that's the way I feel.
carlota said:i don't think that one is the same as mary's example, it was a danish magazine and it was just three years ago, mary's was the same year of marrying.
carlota said:i also enjoy your posts very much scout. so, can we say that denmark really wanted princesses and that's why they both became so popular although being normal women?
what about the magazine factor? did alexandra, frederik or joachim give interviews to magazines anytime?
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You're right Harmony; there were various interviews with Alexandra, just couldn't remember exactly when or by whom. It has always surprised me that Mary gets so much criticism for doing what Alexandra has done as well. And I agree absolutely with the poster who said that none of them probably did it without the consent of the court / queen Margrethe.Harmony said:If I am not mistaken like Mary there were interviews by Ninka in 1996 within one year of marriage "Prinsesse Alexandra Portræt" and "Alexandra" 1998 by Trine Larsen .
On 14 May 2004, on the occasion of her marriage to His Royal Highness Crown Prince Frederik of Denmark, she became Her Royal Highness Crown Princess Mary of Denmark.
UserDane said:Scout, thanks for some very good analyses.
Like you, I also remember Alexandra's entry on the Danish scene as almost entirely positive; she was an instant media darling. And her media coverage was massive! As I remember it more than Mary's even - probably because of the novelty of having a young princess again. That's why I find it so diffcult to understand very negative comments on Mary's media coverage in Denmark, the interviews she's given etc. I feel that I have seen it all before; and at that time it did not seem to present a major problem to anyone.
Also, Alexandra came over very well in her interviews- and those were done early on. I personally didn't care for Mary's interview style, as it often sounded insincere
Zonk1189 said:You know what I would love???
A day where the people who criticize Mary, Letizia, Mette Marit, Maxima, Alexandra, etc. for their fashion sense, how they interact with other people 24/7, their patronages, whether or not they love their husbands for themselves or their titles, constantly being in the public eye having to smile whether you were in a good mood or not....ONE DAY to switch places with them to see if they could do it. I would gather that a majority of us can't do it. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and can like or dislike anyone for any reason but it does seem awfully easy to sit in judgement on something and lifestyle most of us have NO CLUE on living.
Harmony said:[Also, Alexandra came over very well in her interviews- and those were done early on. I personally didn't care for Mary's interview style, as it often sounded insincere/QUOTE]
Funny! How would you judge a person as insincere in an interview if you do not know her/him well?
Hello, Harmony.
Read my post carefully.
I said her interview style sounded insincere. (to me). I didn't say she was insincere. I don't know her personally, so I would never say that. Also, she was speaking in her mother tongue, if I remember correctly, so fluency should not be a problem, if that is what you meant. I think Alexandra simply had a more professional style. Remember, this is just my opninion- if you have a different one, then that is great. It doesn't mean I'm a bad person.
Jamerican said:Harmony said:Hello, Harmony.
Read my post carefully.
I said her interview style sounded insincere. (to me). I didn't say she was insincere. I don't know her personally, so I would never say that.
Okay! What is the difference between her interview and Alex's? What style Alex has that gained your favour and what style Mary's has that you said it was insincere ? My first impression when I heard Alex's speak made me switch off the video link. Yes she sounded so professional and business-like like those in Wall street on everyday TV.
Zonk1189 said:Jamerican...mabe its early..but I am not sure what you mean?