What Charlene Can do to make her mark on Monaco?

[DuedePhiladelphia]

All the videos show that the monegasque are pleased to see the prince Albert soon . married and they say they want quicky an heir. Have you videos where the monegasque people is not pleased?

After seeing the video-CW need public relations training. After being in the company of the Grimaldis for the last 4 years or so I wonder why she hasnt seek this out?

 

[Nathalie Cox]

All the videos show that the monegasque are pleased to see the prince Albert soon . married and they say they want quicky an heir. Have you videos where the monegasque people is not pleased?

Monegasque people want quickly an heir? Poor Charlene, so when she is married she will have to get pregnant as soon as posible? Give her a break! She still is young and Albert can have kids even if he turns 80!

 

[Lumutqueen]

Monegasque people want quickly an heir? Poor Charlene, so when she is married she will have to get pregnant as soon as posible? Give her a break! She still is young and Albert can have kids even if he turns 80!

It is always expected that the wife get's pregnant asap, it's the same in all countries and I presume the "heir-fever" will be even stronger in Monaco seeing as Prince Albert is a Monarch not the heir.

 

[Nathalie Cox]

^I guess, she is having a lot of pressure.

 

[LadyMacAlpine]

Monegasque people want quickly an heir? Poor Charlene, so when she is married she will have to get pregnant as soon as posible? Give her a break! She still is young and Albert can have kids even if he turns 80!

She will be 33 in a few months and after 35 the rate of birth defects goes up. I wouldn't consider her young or that she has a lot of time to have children safely. There is a decrease in the number of healthy eggs to be ovulated. The older you are the more complications during pregnancies. For example high blood pressure, miscarriages, still births, diabetes. If you don't wait at least 6 months between pregnancies the percentages of premature birth or low birth weight occurs. If she doesn't quit smoking it will also increase those risks.

 

[Nathalie Cox]

^Mmm...then she is in trouble. In the video she says "give us break!" but maybe she was tryining to be funny. We'll see how the situation evolves.

 

[Renata4711]

I think it's possible that she/they may not even want children.

After all, no one can force or cajole them to have children, regardless of anything they may have told the press.

 

[debrann]

Give Charlene a break...she is young enough to wait a couple of years if they both want to!!! It is up to the couple they are in love it will happen when everJust remember would you like be told when to have children. I rest my case

 

[Nathalie Cox]

Give Charlene a break...she is young enough to wait a couple of years if they both want to!!! It is up to the couple they are in love it will happen when everJust remember would you like be told when to have children. I rest my case

Any members' case is completely different from theirs. I don't think none of us here is going to marry a Sovereing and have children inmediately (unless Charlene is undercover here, in the forums... )
Yes she is young, but if she has children as soon as possible, it's better. For her health and the baby's.
But... quoting Renata:

I think it's possible that she/they may not even want children

They may not have children. Oh, this has been discused a lot trough the thread, as well as they "being in love" issue.

 

[melina premiere]

IN the part six of the interview of Prince Albert, the part just before the part 7 where there is the interview of Charlene, the prince Albert said when he saw first time charlene and why he waited so much time to marry whith her, he said we thought that it was time to have a family with children. in the part 7 when reported said yet it they wanted chidren , Charlene said let us take a braek, it is to get away of pressure there is on her making heir, I said always that when I was a just married wife, I said we will see, for me it was a question too intime.Albert said we want a family.they want children.

 

[Nathalie Cox]

He is too old to be a father again, but if those are his wishes...Monaco's people will be happy, i guess.

 

[Zonk]

You are never too old...Charlie Chaplin had a child in what his 70's or 80's?

 

[Nathalie Cox]

^yeah, but it's not same being father at 80, than at 50 than at 30...they are different periods in a person's life. If Albert thinks that is in his period to be a father (because he plans to, let's not count in this Alexandre or Jazmin) then congratulations for him.

 

[Zonk]

Age is nothing but a number.

Charlie Chaplin had two sons when he was young from one of his first marriages, and I don't think they had a great relationship while they were younger because he was working so much. The children that he had a later age reportedly have great memories of their father. So what the difference. There are people who are in the prime of their lives and very active and not so great parents and those who are older and not so active who are very involved with their children. And vice versa.

Its not so cookie cutter.

 

[Nathalie Cox]

^Well, that's what i tried to say with this:

If Albert thinks that is in his period to be a father (because he plans to, let's not count in this Alexandre or Jazmin) then congratulations for him.

 

[melina premiere]

A man can be father at any age, star people has chidren untill 60, I know some people who has child, a long time after their older children, it is not easy for a woman having child after 38,when it is the first chid. For Charlene who will be 33, she don't wait for the first chid

 

[LadyMacAlpine]

While men can have children when they are older research has shown the older they are the children may be subject to a greater chance of having abnormalities. As applies to woman as I pointed out in my post below. A few problems with older men included behavioral problems and a shorter lifespan for the offspring. The children also have lower weight when they are weaned than the offspring of younger fathers. Austim, lower intelligence are things that should be considered before they or anyone of their age group has children. The older Charlene is the higher the risk due to Alberts age.

She will be 33 in a few months and after 35 the rate of birth defects goes up. I wouldn't consider her young or that she has a lot of time to have children safely. There is a decrease in the number of healthy eggs to be ovulated. The older you are the more complications during pregnancies. For example high blood pressure, miscarriages, still births, diabetes. If you don't wait at least 6 months between pregnancies the percentages of premature birth or low birth weight occurs. If she doesn't quit smoking it will also increase those risks.

 

[Renata4711]

The "old father" issue touches me because my father was 50 when I was born.
Imagine me a sixteen-year-old girl in 1967 whose father (by then) was 67 years old.
IMO the age difference is definitely an issue !!

 

[iceflower]

As always we can't generalize things, on the one hand there are millions
of good examples of older and younger fathers, everyone has certain
own experiences and has observed several other family constellations
and on the other hand there as many examples that didn't work that
well, as to the age (too old, too young for being a good father/mother)
and all the other components that have influence on the growing up of
a child and teenager..
If the couple gets children, then we can simply wish them the best.

 

[Renata4711]

One can say in PA's favour that he does not seem like an old dad, rather I think he has kept a youthful spirit and manner, no matter how much the burdens of state and government may (or may not) weigh on him.

 

[Simply Amazing]

Much has been made about what Charlene does not bring (i.e. her lack of education, her lack of charity work, etc) to the table as future Princess of Monaco. This is not the place to bash Charlene on what she isn't. That is not the purpose of this thread. Please offer suggestions on what you think Charlene can do to make her mark in a positive way as future Princess of Monaco.

Let's try to keep the Grace comparisons to a minimum. Charlene is NOT Grace.

Also, please respect the opinion of other TRF posters who might disagree with you. You can't expect people to respect your opinion, if you don't respect theirs. We can all agree to disagree.

Thanks!

Zonk
Monaco Forums Moderator

I agree with you completely. Princess Grace was a remarkable woman with many admirable qualities, however, it's unreasonable (not to mention unfair) to hold Charlene Wittstock to any "standard" that one might feel is worthy of her predecessor. Both Grace and Charlene deserve far better than that. They should both be admired and appreciated based upon their own merits.

To answer your question regarding how Charlene can make her mark on Monaco, it is my humble and respectful opinion to say at this point, she should keep her eyes and ears open and her mouth shut. I reached this conclusion based upon the recent interview that she granted the British gossip magazine, Tatler. In it, she made several disparaging remarks about her personal life (specifically as it relates to certain of her insecurities of life in Monaco) and her future hopes (modernizing Monaco by opening up coffee houses and high-end shoe stores). I mean seriously, if someone asked her what a princess does and that was the most intelligent response she could come up with (especially with the track record of highly accomplished royals - both past and present), it would be to Charlene's benefit (and Monaco's as well), to give back the ring and return to South Africa, post-haste.

In the interview, she referred to being the subject of jealousy and other what-nots. She bemoans the lack of friendship, the adjustment to protocol and the fact that the people of Monaco don't take to her South African humor. Having studied no fewer than a dozen books (and an untold number of exclusive magazine articles) on Princess Grace, I must say that Miss Wittstock's public airing of her woes (and at such a time as this, the pre-marital period) is most un-princesslike.

I don't know how Charlene feels or what she's going through, but if experience is indeed a teacher, she should take a lesson from her predecessor. While Grace readily admitted, on several ocassions, that she hadn't had it easy in her role as princess and that her life was never the fairy-tale the world wanted it to be, she stopped short of disrespecting her husband or their people by publicly assaulting them or her enemies (and yes, she had several). Grace may very well have spoken of her ills (and the people who inflicted them), but she did so tactfully and in a most discreet manner which allowed her to vent her frustrations while maintaining her dignity... and allowing others to do the same.

I'm unclear on what form of training that Charlene is currently taking to prepare her for her future role, but my advice to her would be this - with all the free time you have running off at the mouth to gossip mags (which can only diminish your standing in the eyes of your new homeland), it would be wise that you devote your time and efforts to mastering the culture and language of Monaco not only through books, but by going out and engaging effortlessly with your people. You should also carefully study the personal lives and reigns of successful royal wives (i.e. Princess Grace; Queen Alexandra, consort of Edward VII of Great Britain; and Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother) and learn well their lessons.

Take note Charlene, dignity and discretion are 2 ingredients that can make for a very successful princess. History has shown us (through Prince Charles, Princess Diana and others) that on odds, absolutely no good can come of this. You are a beautiful and accomplished woman in your own right, build upon these with other strengths which I'm sure you possess. They will serve you well for carving out an indelible image of your own. One in which you, and the world, can be most proud of.

 

[Lakshmi]

Based on interview Charlene made in 2006 for Paris Match I know that she is high school drop out. She could complete her education, at least high school and then take some college classes. She should do this for herself and for Monaco. If she represents Monaco in future she should understand some basics about politics, history of her country, culture. Finally, she should learn French so she can keep simple conversation. The unfortunate interview she gave to Patrick Poivre d'Arvor was embarrassment. When it was aired in France they had to translate what she said in French, so Frenchmen could understand her.

 

[Renata4711]

Lakhsmi, I still remain unconvinced that CW will do any or all of the things you listed.

I just hope and pray that she does not take her new "job" for granted.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

I agree with you completely. Princess Grace was a remarkable woman with many admirable qualities, however, it's unreasonable (not to mention unfair) to hold Charlene Wittstock to any "standard" that one might feel is worthy of her predecessor. Both Grace and Charlene deserve far better than that. They should both be admired and appreciated based upon their own merits.

To answer your question regarding how Charlene can make her mark on Monaco, it is my humble and respectful opinion to say at this point, she should keep her eyes and ears open and her mouth shut. I reached this conclusion based upon the recent interview that she granted the British gossip magazine, Tatler. In it, she made several disparaging remarks about her personal life (specifically as it relates to certain of her insecurities of life in Monaco) and her future hopes (modernizing Monaco by opening up coffee houses and high-end shoe stores). I mean seriously, if someone asked her what a princess does and that was the most intelligent response she could come up with (especially with the track record of highly accomplished royals - both past and present), it would be to Charlene's benefit (and Monaco's as well), to give back the ring and return to South Africa, post-haste.

In the interview, she referred to being the subject of jealousy and other what-nots. She bemoans the lack of friendship, the adjustment to protocol and the fact that the people of Monaco don't take to her South African humor. Having studied no fewer than a dozen books (and an untold number of exclusive magazine articles) on Princess Grace, I must say that Miss Wittstock's public airing of her woes (and at such a time as this, the pre-marital period) is most un-princesslike.

I don't know how Charlene feels or what she's going through, but if experience is indeed a teacher, she should take a lesson from her predecessor. While Grace readily admitted, on several ocassions, that she hadn't had it easy in her role as princess and that her life was never the fairy-tale the world wanted it to be, she stopped short of disrespecting her husband or their people by publicly assaulting them or her enemies (and yes, she had several). Grace may very well have spoken of her ills (and the people who inflicted them), but she did so tactfully and in a most discreet manner which allowed her to vent her frustrations while maintaining her dignity... and allowing others to do the same.

I'm unclear on what form of training that Charlene is currently taking to prepare her for her future role, but my advice to her would be this - with all the free time you have running off at the mouth to gossip mags (which can only diminish your standing in the eyes of your new homeland), it would be wise that you devote your time and efforts to mastering the culture and language of Monaco not only through books, but by going out and engaging effortlessly with your people. You should also carefully study the personal lives and reigns of successful royal wives (i.e. Princess Grace; Queen Alexandra, consort of Edward VII of Great Britain; and Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother) and learn well their lessons.

Take note Charlene, dignity and discretion are 2 ingredients that can make for a very successful princess. History has shown us (through Prince Charles, Princess Diana and others) that on odds, absolutely no good can come of this. You are a beautiful and accomplished woman in your own right, build upon these with other strengths which I'm sure you possess. They will serve you well for carving out an indelible image of your own. One in which you, and the world, can be most proud of.

Excellent, excellent post. I want to give Charlene a chance, but your reservations about her apparent lack of discretion, not to mention her lack of intellectual curiosity...are the same as mine.

There is simply no excuse for her not being proficient in French after four years of living in the Principality. There is no excuse for her not to have completed her education.

The solution, as you stated...is to SHUT UP, swallow her pride, and seek guidance from Princesses Caroline and Stephanie. Albert and the Palace should also get involved.

Looking like a Princess is only part of the job!

 

[Renata4711]

Thanks, SimplyAmazing and Lakshmi, for these elegant summaries....

......unfortunately, those who are in the greatest need of learning are often the ones who feel themselves above or beyond any need of it.

 

[Nathalie Cox]

Excellent, excellent post. I want to give Charlene a chance, but your reservations about her apparent lack of discretion, not to mention her lack of intellectual curiosity...are the same as mine.

There is simply no excuse for her not being proficient in French after four years of living in the Principality. There is no excuse for her not to have completed her education.

The solution, as you stated...is to SHUT UP, swallow her pride, and seek guidance from Princesses Caroline and Stephanie. Albert and the Palace should also get involved.

Looking like a Princess is only part of the job!

Yes, i agree

 

[berengere]

What Charlene Can do to make her mark on Monaco?

... bow out gracefully




Seriously though, people really change, but willing to give her a chance it would be my hope that she manages to demonstrate that she has some substance to her besides having been a competitive swimmer.

And also...lay off the plastic surgery.

 

[Horseygal]

I agree with many who say that she should be proficient in French by now - 4 yrs (if she cared) is plenty of time to have mastered conversational French. I think she needs to find a cause important to the Principality and focus on that, which will help her win over skeptics that think the pairing is a superficial situation - whereby, he HAS to get married and produce an heir, and she was the best of what was available. He is so stiff (even after 4 yrs), and she seems to just enjoy the spot light and perks of dating him....I just don't see any sort of natural connection between them....maybe I'm missing something, but recent interview(s), and pictures don't change my mind (yet).

 

[Nathalie Cox]

She probably will have a foundation with something related to sports. It would be natural given that she is a professional swimmer.
And something related to poor kids in SA, maybe. I don't know what the might have in mind.

 

[Horseygal]

She probably will have a foundation with something related to sports. It would be natural given that she is a professional swimmer.
And something related to poor kids in SA, maybe. I don't know what the might have in mind.

That would be smart to have her concentrate on something with children, as well as the Principalities relationship with Nelson Mandela, and South Africa - if she's sincere, it won't take much effort - charity is either in your heart....or, it's not....