The Public's Expectations of Kate as William's Girlfriend

[TonyaR]

Actually, she was standing around at polo matches before there was a "William and Kate"...

HRH Kimetha, that makes sense to me.

Maybe Prince William enjoys knowing that she is watching him, sort of showing off for her a bit; and maybe Kate enjoys seeing him show off and she likes cheering him on, etc.

That's an indication of a normal relationship.

 

[Duchess]

i think we also have to remember that even though we see a lot photos of kate doing this or that, they show only moments in her life.

 

[ZandraRae]

Right, it's not like the media is reporting her life 24/7. Yes, she stands and watches Will play polo, but here in the US, lots of girlfriends watch their boyfriends play basketball, baseball, etc. It's normal. I see nothing wrong with what Kate is doing.

 

[Heidi P.]

i think we also have to remember that even though we see a lot photos of kate doing this or that, they show only moments in her life.

Excellent point. Seeing moments strung together week after week do not offer the public a balanced picture of what Kate's life is really like.

 

[Luv2Cruise]

Excellent point. Seeing moments strung together week after week do not offer the public a balanced picture of what Kate's life is really like.

Oh my goodness you all are so right. But there are other royalty message boards where people swear that all Kate does is shop and party with William, rip her apart for doing normal things with her boyfriend. It's really quite appalling the hatred directed towards Kate Middleton based solely on tabloid pictures, snapshots in time. I'm also quite sure she is not living her life to "impress" or earn the respect of anonymous people who post on a message board, and I'm sure she'll be ok if she never earns their respect.

 

[TonyaR]

Oh my goodness you all are so right. But there are other royalty message boards where people swear that all Kate does is shop and party with William, rip her apart for doing normal things with her boyfriend. It's really quite appalling the hatred directed towards Kate Middleton based solely on tabloid pictures, snapshots in time. I'm also quite sure she is not living her life to "impress" or earn the respect of anonymous people who post on a message board, and I'm sure she'll be ok if she never earns their respect.

Luv2Cruise,
You are so right!!
I've seen other royal message boards also, and they do rip Kate apart.
I think a lot of those posters must be really young though, because most of what they say is illogical and silly, and sounds like a lot of jealous nonsense.

For instance, they make the assumption that all she ever does is sit in her flat during the week, and come out to watch Prince William play polo on the weekend. I don't think any of them stopped to consider the fact that

1. Prince William initiated a law suit earlier this year regarding Kate being followed and having her picture snapped during personal daily activities when she's not attending a strictly public venue, (that was in response to the bus pictures) and if you'll look back at all of the photo agency pictures taken this summer, almost every single one of them has been on a weekend. So, more than likely the press has let up on taking snapshots of her going about mundane weekly activities.

It's very silly and unrealistic for anyone to think that she would not do anything at all during the week except sit home and wait for Saturday and Sunday to arrive!

2. Kate has not publicly behaved in a manner considered unfit or scandalous in any way by the BRF, the press has not managed to dig up any real dirt on Kate OR Chelsy (except for the way Chelsy dresses, and I think she dresses appropriately for her age.) and Kate is not supported by the public or Prince William in any way. That means that she is free to do what she likes when she likes, and she seems to behave herself. I'd say a lot of the hate-mongering is jealousy and envy.

I know I'm envious of Kate!
Prince William is tall (6'3") handsome and athletic. He doesn't need to be a prince to get attention from girls.

I know if I were 10 years younger and didn't have such a cute husband, I'd go after him in a nanosecond!

 

[Heidi P.]

Oh my goodness you all are so right. But there are other royalty message boards where people swear that all Kate does is shop and party with William, rip her apart for doing normal things with her boyfriend. It's really quite appalling the hatred directed towards Kate Middleton based solely on tabloid pictures, snapshots in time. I'm also quite sure she is not living her life to "impress" or earn the respect of anonymous people who post on a message board, and I'm sure she'll be ok if she never earns their respect.

So true! Kate is living HER life and doesn't even know we, the anonymous message board gawkers, exist!

 

[regardez]

I think the public expects her to do what she is doing now. Look nice, don't attract too much attention.

 

[Jo of Palatine]

. I'd say a lot of the hate-mongering is jealousy and envy.

I just read an article on German newsmag "SPIEGEL" about a scientifical study that was published by the univeristy of St. Andrew (sic!). Psychologer Fhionna Moore asked 1851 young woman about their preferences in men. And she found that if a woman had no income or only a small one, she prefered men with money and status. The more ressources women had the more they wanted good-looking men who could even be younger than they are themselves.

If you see that 1851 is a fair amount of women and thus the study can be taken as serious. Maybe we see even reflection of this in the internet forums about Royality. Let's take the choice of words in postings as a way to get a glimpse into the social position of the poster - it's not really that very accuratre, but I used "choice of words" because educated non-native speakers, even though they are not always using the right grammatical structure tend to use more formal words that others on a lower level of education.

I found that the more posters seem to be educated and/or from a secure background, the more they tend to view Kate and William in a positive light.
This goes up to a certain age when "traditionalistic" views come into it and people start prefering an aristocrat or a princess as a wife for William.
Younger and/or posters with a more simplistic choice of words tend to react negative to Kate - probably because they compare her situation with theirs.

Or so. Well, that's nothing really new but I thought it worth pointing out.... Enjoy your sunday....

 

[TonyaR]

I just read an article on German newsmag "SPIEGEL" about a scientifical study...

Excellent food for thought Jo!!
It sounds very plausible to me, and judging by some of the posts on other message boards I've seen, there are some very uneducated NATIVE english speakers posting out there!

 

[Incas]

Just because there are difference of opinions, that doesn't prove anyone is more or less educated.

 

[TonyaR]

Just because there are difference of opinions, that doesn't prove anyone is more or less educated.

I'm sorry Incas, but I don't understand what a difference of opinion has to do with grammatical errors?

I was stating that IMHO the information given by Jo of Palatine makes sense to me, it does seem logical that consistent grammatical errors written (and or spoken) by native english speakers is an indication of their level of education.
(or lack of education )

 

[Incas]

TonyaR, I'm merely pointing out two problems with your assumption:
1. You can't tell which poster is a native english speaker. You can make assumption based on the country they register on the forum, but that's assuming the registration is correct and the person was born in that country.
2. Spelling errors are not exclusive to those without higher education. It rather points to the writer being careless about spelling. As long as they get the point across, the details are not important.

Enough of a digression, back to Kate & company.

 

[TonyaR]

TonyaR, I'm merely pointing out two problems with your assumption:
1. You can't tell which poster is a native english speaker. You can make assumption based on the country they register on the forum, but that's assuming the registration is correct and the person was born in that country.
2. Spelling errors are not exclusive to those without higher education. It rather points to the writer being careless about spelling. As long as they get the point across, the details are not important.

Enough of a digression, back to Kate & company.

Incas you're right,
we are digressing, so I concede that I should stick to the forum topic. I would just like to point out that I didn't mention spelling errors though, I mentioned grammatical errors. There is a difference. Grammar refers to syntax, sentence structure, and can also refer to mispronounced words. I still believe that native english speakers who consistently use words incorrectly or inappropriately and (yes) misspell them on a regular basis or have trouble putting together cohesive sentences are probably under-educated, or they just didn't pay attention in school.

I agree that you were also correct when you said that you can't tell for a fact which posters are native english speakers.
However, there are some posters on this message board for whom english is a second language and their speech/writing is more accurate and more proper than some who were taught english from birth.
You can't tell me that doesn't show educational differences!

 

[TonyaR]

I promise not to digress anymore....

 

[Luv2Cruise]

I found that the more posters seem to be educated and/or from a secure background, the more they tend to view Kate and William in a positive light.
This goes up to a certain age when "traditionalistic" views come into it and people start prefering an aristocrat or a princess as a wife for William.
Younger and/or posters with a more simplistic choice of words tend to react negative to Kate - probably because they compare her situation with theirs.

I have found this, especially your very last sentence to be very true, limited of course to several other extremely toxic message boards where about 99% of the same posters absolutely berate Kate Middleton over what they think is her lack of work ethic, her lack of taste in clothes, her appearance, her mother, what they they think is Kate's lack of any other interests, her behavior -- one person compared her modeling picture in college at a fund raising benefit to being pornographic. In the beginning, even her choice of starting a children's clothing line was attacked because it her college major (Art History) did not prepare her for this endeavor. There are very successful designers who never formally studied fashion design.

Just really over the top, ridiculous, catty and bitter remarks from a seemingly very young, non-rich/non-upper-class/non-aristocratic set who cannot seem to fathom that not everyone in this world has to immediately secure employment or "do something" as the mantra goes, especially in their field of study, immediately after college in order to prove their worth as a person, that some very lucky people have the means to take their time and figure out what they will do with the rest of their lives. Those lucky young people are not necessarily lazy or slackers or moochers or bad people or wasting an education for taking advantage of the wealth which they have been given and are so lucky to have.

Depending on your point of view, mine is that Kate Middleton has the added complication of not setting a foot wrong to embarrass her boyfriend's family.

 

[aldu]

I have found this, especially your very last sentence to be very true, limited of course to several other extremely toxic message boards where about 99% of the same posters absolutely berate Kate Middleton...

I completely agree with you! and in my opinion it is a huge burden, because one is human, and can make mistakes. thanks!

 

[WindsorIII]

Does anyone have any recent news about the book that is suppose to be released about William and Kate?

Was it released or was it stopped? Anyone?

 

[WindsorIII]

originally posted by adu
I completely agree with you! and in my opinion it is a huge burden, because one is human, and can make mistakes. thanks!

Agree. From what I see, she dresses beautifully and carries herself with a lot of class. She also has descretion, which is so important.

But she is human and will make some boo boo mistakes.

 

[TonyaR]

Does anyone have any recent news about the book that is suppose to be released about William and Kate?

Was it released or was it stopped? Anyone?

Windsor, according to Amazon the book will be released 30th September. I actually wish this book weren't coming out right now, it seems to be adding fuel to the critisism fire.

I also think the book is premature because William hasn't proposed yet, and he might not for a few years. here is the link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1844543153?v=glance

BTW I agree with your comment,

"But she is human and will make some boo boo mistakes."

and I agree with the above comments posted by Luv2Cruise and Aldu.
IMO a lot of those angry posts center around the fact that she isn't employed at a job somewhere and earning a paycheck. It is important to have a good work ethic, but quite a few people take some time off after graduation to decide on their career path and then develop an excellent work ethic after they decide which direction they want to go.

If a person is able to afford to do this and has the means without hurting anyone else, why shouldn't they?
And why should a private citizen have to justify such a decision to anyone other than their family?
I think there's more than a small bit of jealousy involved in the protests.
(interested in hearing comments, this message board always gives me good food for thought! )

 

[WindsorIII]

originally posted by TonyaR
Windsor, according to Amazon the book will be released 30th September. I actually wish this book weren't coming out right now, it seems to be adding fuel to the critisism fire.

I also think the book is premature because William hasn't proposed yet, and he might not for a few years. here is the link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...43153?v=glance

Thanks a lot for the link TonyaR. It will be interesting to read, but I agree it is very premature, especially since they are not sure they will end up together. I hope it has no impact on their relationship, but it could.

I wonder how much cooperation they got from the family if any, as far as the interviews in the book, or if its strictly taken from third party information and outside interviews.

I look forward to September 30th.

IMO a lot of those angry posts center around the fact that she isn't employed at a job somewhere and earning a paycheck. It is important to have a good work ethic, but quite a few people take some time off after graduation to decide on their career path and then develop an excellent work ethic after they decide which direction they want to go.

I agree. If she were 5 or 6 years older that would be another story. But she is so young and not too long out of college. It takes some college graduates time to adjust to life after their graduation to see what direction they want to take. From they way I've seen her carry herself and the class she shows for such a young lady, I think she will do just fine.

 

[suzy]

Kate Middleton's laziness

Lately Kate Middleton has come under heavy fire for NOT doing a single thing .Even Prince Harry's girlfriend Chelsy Davy is doing something useful, she's a busy student.Alot of people feel that Kate is just being lazy while she's waiting for Wills to pop the question.She hasn't had a single job after university (wich we are all questioning ).
What do YOU think about Kate's laziness?
Is it about time now that she starts looking for a job?

 

[HRH Mims]

I don't think, you can say she is lazy. Newspapers don't know everything and you can't know if she is helping to her parents or something like this.
So after this I think you can't simply judge her.

 

[Little_star]

I don't think the public have any expectations of Kate yet. Quite frankly, I don't think people care what Kate or Chelsy get upto. I would say people are more concerned with Big Brother celebrities than Kate Middleton.

 

[ldt20]

If there is a high probability of Kate marrying Prince William, there is a good chance that she is now being "groomed" for her future job as a princess.

Many princesses have taken protocol classes, foreign languages classes and much more to be ready for the job. Maybe Kate is starting to do that.

I don't think, you can say she is lazy. Newspapers don't know everything and you can't know if she is helping to her parents or something like this.
So after this I think you can't simply judge her.

 

[Zonk]

Well...as she is still a private citizen...we don't know what she is doing nor IMO do we have a right to. Her parents own a business...for all we know she is one the phone taking orders, processing orders, filling orders, etc. She could be working for htem.

Yes...we don't want William to marry anybody...the person must have social graces, be able to perform engagements with a pleasant demeanor at all times but until an engagement is announced we have no right to expect anything.

 

[BeatrixFan]

I think the problem at the moment is that it's speculation. Those of us who aren't taken with Kate are now in the position of "Is this it or are we going to get someone better?". If it was made official, at least then we can accept our fate and move on.

 

[Zonk]

I think the problem at the moment is that it's speculation. Those of us who aren't taken with Kate are now in the position of "Is this it or are we going to get someone better?". If it was made official, at least then we can accept our fate and move on.

That is very true. But I think we need to give them room to figure it out. They are still fairly young and it must be hard to date privately a very public figure. And let's all agree on one thing....we want him to get it right the first time. Don't we?

For all we know.....Kate isn't THE ONE. Just the girl Right now.

 

[BeatrixFan]

Oh I wouldn't mind a few divorces. It might make him a little more interesting. And let's face it, we all love a bad boy.

 

[Skydragon]

people are more concerned with Big Brother celebrities than Kate Middleton.

Now that is a scary thought! I have never watched it!