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None of these arrangements are governed by chance. It is a political decision to seat Andrew next to his mother at this difficult time in his life.
I have to disagree here with you, rob. If one had the time and the energy, they could find dozens upon dozens of pictures of Andrew with his mother going to church or anywhere else. It would be more glaringly obvious that something was up with Andrew if he *wouldn't* have gone to Balmoral as he does every year with his family or escort his mother to church.
This pattern of the Yorks at Balmoral has been well established for years.
Surely this thread is just going to be filled with Daily Mail articles and hearsay, when with Epstein dead and Andrew not actually accused of anything this thread is redundant....
This thread isn't redundent until it has been proven Prince Andrew did not participate in anything Epstein did.
On 23 April 2006 HM created Prince Andrew a: Royal Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Garter (KG).And it's why the Queen had Prince Andrew invested with the insignia of a Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order in a private ceremony when the BRF started taking more serious heat. Let's not pretend she doesn't know what's up.
The GCVO is a family order and mostly we only know they have them when they wear them at a State Banquet. To intimate that Andrew only got it as a blind carries no weight whatsoever as we wouldn't have known he had it until he wore it. However, it pales into insignificance to the Order of the Garter.The Most Noble Order of the Garter is an order of chivalry founded by King Edward III of England in 1348. It is the most senior order of knighthood in the British honours system, outranked in precedence only by the Victoria Cross and the George Cross. The Order of the Garter is dedicated to the image and arms of Saint George, England's patron saint.
It would seem that you have totally made up your mind to join the lynching party and are willing to accuse out Queen of tacitly approving paedophilia just to make such a sleazy point.Andrew should not have dragged his mother into the story just in order to excuse himself and in doing so he implicates himself. If innocent, he wouldnt feel the need to rush up to Balmoral to escape the consequences of consosring with shady people. In the limousine, he conceals his history behind his mother's overwheming glory. The queen is implicated indirectly in justifying unethical behaviour.
What!
Andrew did not "drag his mother into the story." Andrew was visiting Balmoral-exactly the same as he is every other year-to spend his daughter's birthday with his family, including his mother. He escorted his mother to church - as he often does other times he visits Balmoral. Nothing nefarious, or unusual here.
None of these arrangements are governed by chance. It is a political decision to seat Andrew next to his mother at this difficult time in his life.
That’s not how the law works I’m afraid. Andrew has not been accused or charged with anything therefore what is there to discuss. It’s all, quite frankly, needless speculation and hearsay on the part of tabloids.
Unfortunately, this is the problem that victims of sexual assault always have, and why it is so risky to come forward at all. As women, or children, their word is very seldom enough to convince some people that they have been assaulted. A powerful man always has more credibility in some people's eyes than any number of women, and men who prey on women and children depend on that to get away with it.
I have no idea what Andrew's involvement with Epstein consisted of, but the fact that he's a member of the BRF doesn't automatically give him a pass, as far as I am concerned, and I am hoping that if he is culpable, he isn't protected from consequences just because he is a royal.
Edited to add:
Just so it is clear where I am coming from, a long time ago I volunteered at a sexual assault crisis center, and have also worked with children who have been sexually assaulted. A recurring theme is the lack of belief they encounter, the questioning of their motives, and the fact that many people seem to have a hard time accepting that the public face a predator shows is not the face that is shown to his victims. "But he seemed like such a nice guy!"
He certainly was and Prince Andrew was found not guilty of being involved with Jeff Epstein's child molesting and offering payment to child of chef in Trump's home in Florida. Reason Epstein hated Trump because he called the Florida police when 14 year old child ran to parent and then Trump. It is public court records. Anyone can look it up and read actual court documents.I would have thought that Prince Andrew would have been thoroughly investigated discreetly ten years ago/ or whenever it was that he made the news with Epsteins trial last time.
Enquiries by Buckingham palace at least would have occurred back then about any involvement by the Prince. Surely.
Unfortunately for Andrew, we don’t know that, since Epstein’s Florida plea deal gave protection to all his potential unnamed co-defendants....Which, when it comes to Andrew, obviously couldn't be proven 10 years...
To be found not guilty there must be a trial, thus Andrew was never found ‘not guilty’ of anything. Can you link or cite the case regarding Andrew & the child of the chef - or am I misunderstanding your sentence?He certainly was and Prince Andrew was found not guilty of being involved with Jeff Epstein's child molesting and offering payment to child of chef in Trump's home in Florida. Reason Epstein hated Trump because he called the Florida police when 14 year old child ran to parent and then Trump. It is public court records. Anyone can look it up and read actual court documents.
Whether guilty or innocent, now may be the time for Prince Andrew, with or without Sarah, to withdraw quietly from public life. I can't see Prince Charles, and certainly not Prince William, wanting to be associated with headlines of this sort.
Whether guilty or innocent, now may be the time for Prince Andrew, with or without Sarah, to withdraw quietly from public life. I can't see Prince Charles, and certainly not Prince William, wanting to be associated with headlines of this sort.
I agree. Yes, it's a regular event, but appearing so delighted at a church service a day after Epstein committed suicide and leaving Balmoral swiftly for Spain don't do Andrew any favours in clearing his name off this case.
I was going to mention these facts but you beat me to it. Well said Osipi.Y'know, rob, each and every example you've given in your post has a different explanation to it besides the one that you happen to see.
a) She recently made him Royal Colonel-in-Chief of the Grenadier Guards
This was explained up in the thread on how royals that have served in the military and are therefore, given promotions every five years. Andrew was *not* made Colonel in Chief of the Grenadier Guards. That position is still held by HM, The Queen.
b) After Trooping the Colour he stood as central as possible and next to his mother on the palace balcony
Simple explanation for this one too. As The Duke of York is the Colonel of the Grenadier Guards and it was *that* regiment that trooped the color in 2019, Andrew was in his rightful place standing alongside his mother, the Colonel in Chief of the Grenadier Guards.
c) She gave him the extra honour of GCVO
Its my understanding that the Queen awards this honor for service to the crown and the monarchy. I'm more apt to believe that the Queen endowed Andrew with the KCVO because of his work as the UK's trade envoy and many other incentives that Andrew has worked on.
Everything else is your personal opinion which, of course you're entitled to. I just wanted to point out a few facts. ?
Whether guilty or innocent, now may be the time for Prince Andrew, with or without Sarah, to withdraw quietly from public life. I can't see Prince Charles, and certainly not Prince William, wanting to be associated with headlines of this sort.
These have all been carefully orchestrated tactics to protect one of the weakest members of the royal family. Andrew is Colonel of Grenadier Guards and not C-in-C. In 2015 the Welsh Guards trooped yet their Royal Colonel Prince Charles is a few people away from the queen on the balcony scene - he is at the side whilst Andrew stuck to the queen like glue to protect himself.