Just waiting for them to go after Andrew Morton next. Loads of what was on Panorama was in his book too so one might as well say he killed her as well. She voluntarily gave this information out as did Charles to Dimbleby, even if Bashir did embellish certain things to persuade her to do it the content is actually what interests most people and it can't be presumed that she still wouldn't have done it had she known that. She seemed pretty pleased with the outcome as stated in the letter she wrote to Bashir afterwards.
The Panorama Interview: November 20, 1995
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Bashir knew how paranoid Diana was, and he added ot that.. teling her lies and not just that but actually faking documents to back up the lies. To a normal person, it might have been obvious but Diana was wound up and a bit crazy by then..and gullible. He told her that everyone was spying on her and out to get her so that she would not seek advice from anyone sensible.. and then she wold turn to him. He told her that Charles was in love with Tiggy Legg B so Diana lashed out at Tiggy.. He behaved shamefully towards a vulnerable woman.
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From what I have read in various reports it was partly the interview but as a result of what he told her she lost trust in her staff and security. Her private secretary resigned as he knew nothing of the interview, she refused security.....as she thought they were reporting back to the family.
Nobody will ever know for sure what difference this made but they were big changes in her life.
Nobody will ever know for sure what difference this made but they were big changes in her life.
She was already paranoid, I m not sure when she gave up on the RPOs because she thought they were reporting back to Charles but she did that. But I think that the "Nanny" story was really bad.. it set her off thinking that Tiggy was C's mistress, she said that awful thing to TIggy, she felt that Charles was going to have her killed.. it really set her off badly..
You don't push someone vulnerable further and claim you have retained your journalistic integrity. It's as simple as this.
You don't fabricate evidence to get the interview that YOU want without mentioning that you've fabricated evidence to get the desired reaction. Of course, mentioning it would have made all those efforts useless because it would have been evident that the interviewee is filled with the brimming sense of injustice which might influence what they say. Further on, they might just lie. (Not claiming anything about Diana specifically, I'm talking on principle here.) But then, you already know this which is the very same reason you lied to the person to get them to this state and obtain this interview, with this particular slant.
You don't fabricate evidence to get the interview that YOU want without mentioning that you've fabricated evidence to get the desired reaction. Of course, mentioning it would have made all those efforts useless because it would have been evident that the interviewee is filled with the brimming sense of injustice which might influence what they say. Further on, they might just lie. (Not claiming anything about Diana specifically, I'm talking on principle here.) But then, you already know this which is the very same reason you lied to the person to get them to this state and obtain this interview, with this particular slant.
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Quick question ? What was gained from the lies about Charles and Tiggy and the lies about the Queen and Edward been ill?
Was it just to say that you don't know all the gossip? Where they hoping she come back with more gossip to counter it? I don't understand their reasoning there - it doesn't add to her seeing a conspiracy.
Was it just to say that you don't know all the gossip? Where they hoping she come back with more gossip to counter it? I don't understand their reasoning there - it doesn't add to her seeing a conspiracy.
The whole point was to make her suspicious of everyone, to believe that the RF and the Secret services were bugging her....
And that the queen might die soon and then she'd be possibly Queen if she was still married to Charles... It was really horrible, to push her buttons that way.. and it drove her to make that remark to Tiggy...
Diana IMO was not 'crazy.' She was in a bad situation all around. Charles' friend Nicholas Soames actually criticized Diana on a TV show about her having "paranoia." While Diana lashed out at Tiggy, I think Charles was wrong to set up a situation where this young woman was to all intents and purposes a surrogate mother. Tiggy had to gall even to criticize the way Diana mothered her own sons. Camilla from what has been written about Tiggy, did not like her and called Tiggy "the help." The tabs DID show pictures of Charles being "tactile" with Tiggy which set off gossip in the tabs that had nothing to do with Diana.
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William even said she was paranoid, so I believe him. If she was, that means - of course - that she didn’t trust anyone close to her. I can definitely see the link between that and her death. Bashir is a reprehensible person, essentially gaslighting her for a story. He absolutely has to take responsibility for playing a role in her tragic death. Not the immediate role, but enough of one.
William should never have said that about his mother. There should be loyalty to his mother and father. Plus he is not a "professional" to make such a diagnosis. He could have said she did not trust people not that she had the "condition" of paranoia- Diana did not trust some people around her and I don't blame her. For instance, she was blindsided by Hewitt who sold her out to a writer to make $$$. And she found out Charles friends (she thought they were her friends too) were offering "safe houses" for Charles and Camilla to meet. Can't say I blame her for not trusting people. I don't like that William did this. And william knew that his parents did not get along for years not just after Bashir. And also Charles and Diana's respective phone calls were recorded and played which would make them Both wary about phone tapping.
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Unless it comes out that Morton forged documents and fed Diana a lot of lies before she agreed to help with the book, I think Morton is safe.
Morton actually brought up the Bashir situation in 2004 in his book, Diana in Pursuit of Love. Morton has the tapes and these are Diana's own words so I don't think Diana Her True Story, both editions, could or should be censored or removed from shelves. It's essential for future historians.
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William wasn't making a medical diagnosis. I don't think you need a degree in order to say that someone is paranoid, it's a personality trait. If someone says that Diana had a paranoid borderline disorder or suffered from paranoid schizophrenia, THAT would be a professional diagnosis.
Moreover, he didn't say that Bashir ruined his parents' relationship, he said that it worsened after the interview, and I have no doubt that William knows what he is talking about. I am also very confident that William knew his mother must better than anyone posting on this forum.
I still think he needs to be careful with his choice of words about his mother. Nicholas Soames who did not like Diana went to the media and said she was in the "advanced stages of paranoia." Not a nice thing to do. William needs to remember that. Diana was "diagnosed" by Penny Junor who was and is not a fan. Maybe William needs to consider that. He may have "known her the best" but he needs to think back about how Diana's detractors made such statements. Saying she did not trust people IMO would have been better. Well, yes the relationship did worsen after the interview but it was also a riposte to Charles interview and authorized biography which was not "kind" to Diana. But they were not getting along for years and the photo ops during that trip to Korea showed exactly how they felt about each other, and that was right before the separation was announced.
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I can see that you feel strongly about this but William has proven over and over again that he loves and values his mother's memory. At the same time, he does not view her with rose colored glasses. I respect his right to express his thoughts about his own mother in his own way.
I so agree with your comments especially that William who was his mother's chosen confidante knew her better than anyone on this site. After all he was the one who was actually living with, speaking with and hearing from Diana in the time period to before the Panorama interview. He would have seen how she was removing people from her life because she'd been told that they were reporting on her.
With that in mind, I do trust his recollections that Diana was displaying paranoid behaviors. Remember that the BBC has had to apologize to both brothers for their actions. Also the BBC/Bashir managed to convince Diana that William was "spying" on her through a supposedly altered Swatch watch that Charles had gifted him.As to any biographers who noted that Diana was displaying paranoid behavior, they too are not actually diagnosing her. They're merely commenting on her actions and words. Sadly it's plain to see that because of the lies and deception on behalf of the BBC, that Diana was truly under the impression that many people in her circle, including her eldest son was "spying" her.
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its because he knows she was always somewhat paranoid, that he is angry about the way that Bashir lured her into speaking out and giving him a a good story. If Diana had been more rational she probably wouldn't have believed much of the stuff that he put out, but she wasn't very rational at times and she was lied to shamefully....
William was very upset about the Panorama interview..and Diana was cagy about telling him and others that she was doing it, because she knew they'd disapprove....
Here's the full text of Prince William's statement. Please note that he never makes a claim that she had a "'condition" of paranoia." He does state that the actions of BBC employees by making false and lurid claims about the BRF played on her fears and "fueled paranoia."
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It was the deceit that was used to gain access to her that caused her to mistrust people around her, which had a profound effect on her . You are possibly correct that she might have given an interview anyway but remember she had turned down Oprah and Barbara Walters. That was always the mystery ,Bashir was an unknown.
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I just.....I’ve seen so many people on Twitter yelling at William about who his mother was (NOT paranoid) and that he should blame his father (for her death, I suppose); the arrogance is incredible.
William was a boy then, he’s a man now. Looking back, he knows exactly how his mother was feeling...he might have been the brunt of some of her behavior. If he thinks his mother was paranoid, then I certainly take him at his word. Like you said, he’s not making a medical diagnosis - he’s talking about his mother not trusting anyone, looking behind her at all times. I’m sure it made an impression on him as a boy.
As for loyalty, I think W has done an extraordinary job of protecting both of his parents publicly...
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William gave an interview a few years ago, and he spoke about the media, he made a reference about the press not crossing the line , either party crossing the line. It made me think he was referring to his mother's use of the press although he never said that.
It has also been suggested that he broke up with Kate for a few months because the media scrutiny on her was becoming unbearable but he was not ready for marriage and was not going to be pushed into it by the press.
From what's been revealed, its obvious that Diana was gullible.. which shows that she was already pretty paranoid.. and not able to evaluate evidence very well. I think Will knew what she was like and could see that she was getting worse, that she was really scared and ready to believe that pretty much everyone was out to get her. Even Will himself it seems.
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That must have brought William up with a start, that his beloved mum would actually think he was spying on her. In her right mind, she’d never have thought that, so it’s no wonder he’s furious about Bashir and BBC preying on her fears..which probably distanced her from her loved ones
William was very unhappy about the Interview anyway. he was only a kid.. and here was his mother saying tings about his dad's family, admitting that she had had an affair on tv... he didn't want to talk to her after the interview....but Im sure over time he realised that she was not always thinking clealry and that she was under particular strain then, esp if Bashir had lied to her and given her papers to back up the lies.
It must be very distressing for William to realize that in the last few years of his mother's life that she was plagued by these fears created by false information provided to her. She ended relationships with people who actually had her best interests at heart because the actions by BBC employees.
I don't think her so called paranoia was completely unfounded. The tapes of phone calls both she and Charles made prove that and no, I don't believe some random man picked these up with an ariel and a bin lid in his hand.
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Oh it goes a long way back with William. I remember vividly a statement made by William that went "I don't like 'tographers". He was a pretty small guy at the time.
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