I have a problem with the role of a modern monarch and the traditions of the coronation. The swearing of the Oath for example was unimpressive It should have been more about a promise for the future for all Britons than to show the "head who wears the Cronw" actually getting put a crown on his head.
The Coronation of King Charles III and Queen Camilla, 6 May 2023
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He more or less implied on his first televised speech on the eve of the Accession Council that he intended to reign until his last breath. So abdication is out of question, I think. If he does not retain all of his faculties, a regency will be put in place as envisaged by law in the United Kingdom. I believe that the late Queen was approaching the threshold that would call for a regency, but then she passed away before a regency became necessary.
Hereditary Princess Sophie looks very different from the last time I saw her at a royal gathering (Crown Prince Frederik's 50th birthday). I guess it is because she has her hair down and with a much lighter color.
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In essence the ceremony is the same as the inthronisation of an Archbishop of the Church of England or the Pope, if one want. The same deeply religious and solemn Oaths. But Archbishops do retire. At the moment there are one reigning and two Emeritus Archbishops of Canterbury even and we do know that Popes do abdicate.
Having said so, as long as King Charles is in good health and with sound mind, I doubt he will abdicate anyway.
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I actually loved her response. To me it showed some normal familial relations -- younger relative annoyed by an older one.
Imagine Prince Richard's horror had he seen Zara falling asleep.
of course he will not abdicate, nor would the queen have ever done so. Why would anyone think that he would
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He was obviously telling them that they were chatting too loud - and instead of saying sorry and waited with the ****-chat until they would have been outside 5 minutes later, or just remained silent - she responds as a typical York……..
Wonder if she would have looked back like that if it was Prince Philip who silenced them…
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I think there were other reasons why as you say in parts the abbey looked sparse.
In 1953 there was a barrier separating the congregation from the (carpeted) central aisle in the nave. Gentlemen at Arms were then able to escort the monarch. This looked suitably grand. Of course it meant pushing the congregation further back to create a wider central processional route. This could easily have been recreated at minimal expense.
A recreation of the 1937 dais for the throne chairs would also have looked suitably regal. The King was far too low. Those doing homage would have had to go up five or six steps. Homage by the senior peer of each degree wearing coronation robes & coronets (ie five in total) would have provided a romantic echo of earlier coronations. Once again these are tweaks that would have added grandeur with little effort or expense.
And as mentioned previously, the route was far too short for the size of the parade.
But these are quibbles. Considering the times it wasn’t too shabby at all!
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She smiled and when he looked away, she dropped the smile, what else should she had done? Not to mention he looked back once the talking had stopped. If you look at the clip, it's clear she was responding to something the DoY said to her.
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I wasn't impressed by Beatrice's response at all, which appeared disrespectful. She'd have had my icy glower.
There are some nice pictures on here.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-King-Charles-Queen-Camilla-wave-crowds.html
I love the photo of the two of them smiling at each other on the balcony.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-King-Charles-Queen-Camilla-wave-crowds.html
I love the photo of the two of them smiling at each other on the balcony.
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I think they did it great that barrier around the coronation Theater and wished they would also had a barrier in the central aisle. Isn't that also done at the State Opening of Parliament in that Gallery or what is is called through which they walk on their way to House of Lords.
As for the Thrones i think a reason that they had non been raised up more could have been the gae of the King and Queen so that they would not need to climb up several steps with all that robes.
I also noticed that unlike 1953 there where no steps to the coronation theater but some sort of ramp going up to if from the Choir aisle.
yes she certanly appeared to smirk rudely.
Yes it is done at the State Opening.
I'm sure age was a consideration as you say. Maybe they could have used a ramp up to higher throne chairs?
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The Queen's bouquet on the Grave of the Unknown Warrior:
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I thought the ceremony itself was very moving was grand in a way that not many things can be. The sense of a tradition stretching back so many hundreds of years, along with the many smaller emotional moments, was hard to beat. And the music was gorgeous, which never hurts.
My favourite part of the whole thing was when my six year old leaned over my shoulder while I was watching the broadcast and asked if Justin Welby was Jesus.
Royal Monaco Fan, I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I doubt that he would have responded that way unless it was distracting and annoying.
It was a classless inappropriate response to a Senior Working Royal twice her age, trying to remind Andrew and Beatrice to show some respect. But being the Yorks, it fell on deaf ears. In Andrews defense, when Prince Richard first turns round he looked at Andrew first , but didnt catch his eyes. But Beatrice did.Then to make her displeasure at a subtle, gentle, NON VERBAL reminder, Beatrice arrogantly and gleefully smirked and made a weird eye gesture back at him. Pure defiance. Who are YOU ?
Old School, elegant, and accomplished Gentleman, Prince Richard Duke of Gloucester trained as an Architect. But after the horrific, tragic death of his dashing brother William ( who Prince William is named for ) stepped up and has been an exemplary Royal Worker. Lovely Family too.
Queen Elizabeth was known to give People the "eye" in public when they needed a gentle reminder.
The Gloucester Family had always held her esteem and respect. So much so, and quite unprecedented, Elizabeth gave her Aunt Alice, Richards Mother, the honor of the Princess Title. Instead of being known as The Dowager Duchess of Gloucester. She became Princess Alice.
With zero scandals or controversy. Never courting publicly. Something Beatrice should remember.
It was a classless inappropriate response to a Senior Working Royal twice her age, trying to remind Andrew and Beatrice to show some respect. But being the Yorks, it fell on deaf ears. In Andrews defense, when Prince Richard first turns round he looked at Andrew first , but didnt catch his eyes. But Beatrice did.Then to make her displeasure at a subtle, gentle, NON VERBAL reminder, Beatrice arrogantly and gleefully smirked and made a weird eye gesture back at him. Pure defiance. Who are YOU ?
Old School, elegant, and accomplished Gentleman, Prince Richard Duke of Gloucester trained as an Architect. But after the horrific, tragic death of his dashing brother William ( who Prince William is named for ) stepped up and has been an exemplary Royal Worker. Lovely Family too.
Queen Elizabeth was known to give People the "eye" in public when they needed a gentle reminder.
The Gloucester Family had always held her esteem and respect. So much so, and quite unprecedented, Elizabeth gave her Aunt Alice, Richards Mother, the honor of the Princess Title. Instead of being known as The Dowager Duchess of Gloucester. She became Princess Alice.
With zero scandals or controversy. Never courting publicly. Something Beatrice should remember.
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Couldn't have said it better. Beatrice can only dream of serving The Crown as wonderfully as Prince Richard has for so many decades. She should know better.
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I want to have a whinge about the bouquet and the floral installations in the abbey but it's probably a niche view and I might bore everyone to death so I'll just say I was utterly underwhelmed and expected much better.
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Totally with you. I was a bit shocked, tbh.
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About Beatrice: or she was smiling apologetically at Richard over whatever it was (she did not appear to be talking). Interpretations of a half-second clip and microexpressions can vary. Is it really necessary to blow this up and cast all kind of aspersions in the process?
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I can't decide if Queen Camilla having her children, grandchildren, and her dogs embroidered on her dress is a cute gesture of it's downright tacky.
Zara falling asleep is just downright comical. This is exactly why you should always get a good night's rest before major TELEVISED events such as these.
Princess Beatrice's response to Prince Richard is downright shameful and disrespectful. I am wondering if there is animosity behind this. After all Prince Richard still enjoys the full perks of being royal (ex. balcony appearance) and Princess Beatrice does not.
Zara falling asleep is just downright comical. This is exactly why you should always get a good night's rest before major TELEVISED events such as these.
Princess Beatrice's response to Prince Richard is downright shameful and disrespectful. I am wondering if there is animosity behind this. After all Prince Richard still enjoys the full perks of being royal (ex. balcony appearance) and Princess Beatrice does not.
That’s his job. And ahem she has plenty of perks including a very nice home in St James where she seems to continue to live when in London.
I was rewatching the service and just noticed an awkward moment during the singing of the Te Deum when the clergy moved to form the procession and King Carl Gustaf and Crown Princess Victoria stood up before everyone else and remained standing alone for a few minutes while everybody else was still seated.
I guess the Swedish King realized he had stood up too early, but couldn't sit down again as it would have been embarassing and the Crown Princess had to remain standing with him in solidarity with her father.
EDIT: I have just noticed also that the Sovereign Prince of Monaco appeared to be singing God Save The King too, which is quite strange.
I guess the Swedish King realized he had stood up too early, but couldn't sit down again as it would have been embarassing and the Crown Princess had to remain standing with him in solidarity with her father.
EDIT: I have just noticed also that the Sovereign Prince of Monaco appeared to be singing God Save The King too, which is quite strange.
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I totally agree with you! I’ve noticed that posters here love to interpret the smallest things. Yesterday, I’ve read that Camilla looked nervous, bored, serene and relaxed. It was all about the same five minutes :rofl Some wrote she looked great, some wrote she looked exhausted. Same for the King, he was emotional, tearful and bored. Someone looked at someone else and it was “look of love “ and for me it was just a look
We really go overboard with this interpretations of the smallest looks and gestures.
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The oath seemed a very minor part in the whole ceremony while in many countries that seems the central piece of any change in reign. Would this be because he is repeating the oath he already swore on the day after he became king?
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I totally agree with you! I’ve noticed that posters here love to interpret the smallest things. Yesterday, I’ve read that Camilla looked nervous, bored, serene and relaxed. It was all about the same five minutes :rofl Some wrote she looked great, some wrote she looked exhausted. Same for the King, he was emotional, tearful and bored. Someone looked at someone else and it was “look of love “ and for me it was just a look
Interpreting things is fine. We're royalwatchers. (I still think the King had a blank face because he was feeling too much and trying not to show a couple billion people. I highly doubt he was bored.). But I think when it's done negatively and with insults to support preconceptions, and with essentially no evidence and in the wake of what was such a splendid and joyous occasion, maybe curb your enthusiasm.
No, it is not the same oath. The oaths he took are mandated by the Coronation Oath Act to be administered specificallly at the coronation ceremony.
The Accession Declaration, where he publicly affirms that he is "a faithful Protestant etc." doesn't have to be made at the coronation, but it can be if the coronation takes place as I think it is the case now before the first State Opening of Parliament following the accession.
The only oath that the King took at the Accession Council was , I think, the oath to preserve the Church of Scotland, which, by law, has to be taken upon succeeding and is normally taken then on that occasion.
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