Thank you for answering. I only asked because as you stated, details on her are VERY sketchy. I had heard that she was anywhere from her late 40's to her early 60's. While in Abu Dhabi or Al Ain, I knew better than to ask many questions about her.
i did read an article about her (can't remember where for the life of me). it said that she was brought to zayed as a virgin bedouin bride (which he usually disposes of after they have a few kids) but when she moved to the palace to be with him she was impressed by the library and spent alot of time reading and learing. she did not have much of an education. she eventually captured the heart of baba zayed and she has been by his side ever since.Originally posted by paloma@Jun 23rd, 2004 - 5:16 pm
Thank you for answering. I only asked because as you stated, details on her are VERY sketchy. I had heard that she was anywhere from her late 40's to her early 60's. While in Abu Dhabi or Al Ain, I knew better than to ask many questions about her.
The event in Jordan, was the Nikah, the marriage signing contract. They will have a more public, grand affair later this year. It is traditional for the Nikah to take place at the home of the bride's family.Originally posted by Banadoora@Jun 23rd, 2004 - 2:44 pm
I don't know about the celebration. I'm sure she's met his family by now. I found it rather odd that they were married in Jordan rather than in the UAE. I wonder if his family was there for the wedding.
You may be looking at this through Western eyes. Mohammed's first wife, Hind, has maintained a traditional role as his wife. She is never photographed. She is like many wives in the Dubai royal family ... having "public" roles, but without being photographed.Originally posted by silver charm@Jun 24th, 2004 - 8:45 am
oh and does anyone find it a little distasteful that the wife of 3 months is with him while he accepts the LIFETIME acheivement award while the wife of 24years is no where to be seen????
akilah, we can discuss that too....
I still find it distasteful.Haya is more Western in her outlook- and has made it clear that she will be seen with her husband, certainly outside Dubai. Her position would have been defined in the Nikah.
Absolutly!! Hind has given 25 years of her life to this man gets to bear 11 or 12 children and stay at home and have no male companionship. All of a sudden this new young chipy comes along and gets recognition and a lifstyle with out any history at all. I think it's kinda sick!Originally posted by silver charm@Jun 24th, 2004 - 9:45 am
oh and does anyone find it a little distasteful that the wife of 3 months is with him while he accepts the LIFETIME acheivement award while the wife of 24years is no where to be seen????
akilah, we can discuss that too....
This may be true but it doesn't mean she is happy and doens't make it rightHaya is more Western in her outlook- and has made it clear that she will be seen with her husband, certainly outside Dubai. Her position would have been defined in the Nikah.
I like Haya too. My only regret for her is that she didn't marry someone else. Some members speculate it was about money, but like Silver Charm said, if she needed money, she should have found herself a job. I have much respect for Royals who work, even if they do or don't need the money. I know that probably sounds harsh coming from a Haya supporter, but I would have rather she made her own money than to marry someone who is already taken. I try not to comment too much on the polygamous marriage to which she has joined because I don't know a whole lot about the Islamic religion, and I'm not out to step on any toes out of respect for forum members who are of the Islamic faith. I don't know whether it is accepted in certain places or not, but what I do know is there are those of the Islamic faith that are married to one spouse at a time, and I just wish Haya had done the same.Originally posted by maryshawn@Jun 24th, 2004 - 11:36 pm
Everything about Haya and her husband and his family seems so sketchy. I don't know if anyone knows all that much that is factual. I like Haya. I think she has had a hard life in terms of losing parents--particularly her mother. She had no one it seems--if Noor behaved as she's been depicted--to act as a female role model. She has always touched a cord in me as she seems lost. I don't think this marriage is the answer--it's more like a cry for help. But I'm not going to judge her or anyone else. I think most everyone does the best they can each day. I hope she finds a meaningful role and doesn't get swallowed up in a polygamous environment. She's the new wife now--but may not be the last.....I think the whole situation is tragic for all concerned except her husband. The little I have read Haya has said about her father seems he encouraged her indepedence and liveliness. I doubt highly he would've approved of this marriage. Did Queen Noor's office make any comment or depict her at the ceremony?
Haya grew up in Jordan, a country that has undergone enormous changes, and, politically, is far more important in the Mideast. She knows the scene ...Haya is like so many other arriviste's in DXB. Only too happy to share in the success without any respect to the struggle.
I agree, but there are plenty of men Muslim and non-Muslim that don't need wives to appear modern when engaging in business deals or for future business investments. What is a few days in Europe away from your wife? Why must you marry a young women to tramps all over Europe with on business. There is something called an escort service.Originally posted by Humble@Jun 25th, 2004 - 11:38 am
Simply put, this Mo needed a young modern wife to look modern himself in the eye of Westerners...
Haya, on the other hand, found someone to secure her financially and maybe emotionally....
So, both parties are getting a deal from each other...
Hind has never been photographed, even when appearing at official events in Dubai. This is not uncommon in that part of the world.Originally posted by Akilah@Jun 25th, 2004 - 10:33 am
I have a question. Why is it that Hind cannot be photographed with or without CP Mo? I really confused by this "traditional wife" category that Hind has been placed in because I have read several articles where Hind has been present at an event or had some person to read a statement on her behalf. Now, if Hind is too place the role of the "traditional" wife, then why does she partake in public events in Dubai or release public statements? If Lalla Salma can many "limited" public appears with her husband or with her husband's children why cannot Hind. I am not saying she should tramps around with CP Mo, but I think she could may a public appearance where she is photographed once a year at least. One picture of this women in a years time is not that much in comparsion to some other royal women of the world, regradless of they are Muslim or not. (Note: I am not saying I want her to change her ways because CP Mo's third wife, Haya, is more visible about, but I think it would be nice to see the women publicly photographed if not once every year, but every other if possible). For goodness sakes, she is the mother of his oldest legitmate son, and his first wife.
I also would like to say that I agree with many of you on this board. Haya should have not been at his side for this occasion. If Hind could not have been there than no woman should. CP Mo should have told Haya that she would not be going on this trip, and that it was none negotiable.
Hind, in my opinion, should have been there in some capacity. I don't know how, but she should have. I feel sympathy for this women. I don't see how a woman who has had 12 children with a man has no emotion when she hears he has taken another wife, as though, she was not good enough or not loyal or beautiful enough to keep him happy. I pray that her sons see what she is goinh through and vow to themselves that if and when they take a wife they devote themselves to her and if not, make descretion paramount when engaging in trists or courtship with other women. We generation XY must learn from our predecesors' mistakes.
Noor's father, Najeeb Halaby, was never a diplomat. As a matter of fact, Jordan has had a higher profile than other Arab nations here in the US since the 50s, and certainly the 60s - long before Noor.Originally posted by Marlene@Jun 25th, 2004 - 10:52 am
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I agree what ever the motive is for their marriage is of little relevance however I do think that it speaks volumes to Mo's character that the woman that has been by his side for 25 years and bared a football team worth of children has little recognition as his wife.Originally posted by Marlene@Jun 25th, 2004 - 12:38 pm
Mrs. Patrick Campbell once said , and I paraphrase ... I don't care what people do as long as they don't do it in the streets and frighten the horses.
As for Mohammed and Lalla Salma -- this is a major step forward ... I don't think his parents were ever photographed together - or the mother named for some years -- But did not become queen - yet - a major step forward to have a public role.
I fail to see what the issues are or the problems here. None of us knows how Hind feels. As she is a traditional Muslim woman, she may be totally understanding - and accepting. If HInd were the only wife, she would have remained behind in Dubai when hubby got his lifetime award. (not sure how one can be given a lifetime award when one's life has not ended.)I don't feel one ounce sorry for Haya. She may have sacrificed some types of freedom but it's not as if she didn't know this would be the case. She went into this knowing damn well what her trade off would be. She is not ignorant or stupid when it comes to what her "obligations" would be and what her "reward" would be.
Instead of divorcing, Mohammed takes another wife ...the principle is largely the same except the the first wife has better benefits than the divorced wife.Originally posted by ~*~Humera~*~@Jun 25th, 2004 - 1:55 pm
While polygamy is far more common in the Middle East than any other part of the Muslim world, I think that Haya's marriage still doesn't set a very good example. The Jordanian royal family is supposed to be all for modernization and progress but when a smart young woman like Haya willingly becomes a third wife, its simply not very encouraging. Her own father married four women but atleast he didn't marry them all at once. If Haya was desparate enough to chose money over independence and an equal marriage, Im sorry for her. But then again, we dont know what was truly going through her mind at the time. In the long-term though, she might well have problems with her husband, especially if he marries again.
I dont care what her husband's previous wives did, but as far as Haya's concerned, Im all for her maintaing her public appearances and accompanying her husband overseas. No doubt sheikh muhammad's other wives devoted much of their life and time to him but if they chose not to maintain a public profile, that's their choice. Why should Haya have to remain hidden from view? thats not a pre-requisite for being a good Muslim wife.
I agree with you, Humera...In fact, I don't think I could have said it better myself.Originally posted by ~*~Humera~*~@Jun 25th, 2004 - 2:55 pm
While polygamy is far more common in the Middle East than any other part of the Muslim world, I think that Haya's marriage still doesn't set a very good example. The Jordanian royal family is supposed to be all for modernization and progress but when a smart young woman like Haya willingly becomes a third wife, its simply not very encouraging. Her own father married four women but atleast he didn't marry them all at once. If Haya was desparate enough to chose money over independence and an equal marriage, Im sorry for her. But then again, we dont know what was truly going through her mind at the time. In the long-term though, she might well have problems with her husband, especially if he marries again.
I dont care what her husband's previous wives did, but as far as Haya's concerned, Im all for her maintaing her public appearances and accompanying her husband overseas. No doubt sheikh muhammad's other wives devoted much of their life and time to him but if they chose not to maintain a public profile, that's their choice. Why should Haya have to remain hidden from view? thats not a pre-requisite for being a good Muslim wife.
Does anyone find it odd that Mo is ever so present at AUD but his children didn't go to a proper collage. How sad is it that you think that education is good enough for other peoples kids but not your own.Originally posted by silver charm@Jun 25th, 2004 - 10:42 pm
I'm so glad I can amuse y'all.
Also at AUD there is a massive portrait of Mo-right as you walk through the front door to the auditorium. It is a collage of other portraits of Mo with different quardrants of his face take from other portraits to be put into this one huge mother of a portrait.
Okay, my point......it is damn ugly. Just thought I would share.
Houri I do appreciate that and you are correct. Everyone's idea of what make them happy does differ. There are some things in life however that are pretty much universal in making people unhappy.Originally posted by houri@Jun 26th, 2004 - 3:16 pm
silver charm and Noura
I always enjoy reading your comment it just I can't think that all people have the same definition for happiness and freedom even in your house , no one perfect we also should focus in the good side of the person when we took about the bad side .
One last question, you said that Sh Mo was into accomplishments and titles, superficial stuff I think, but hey, that's me, then if you feel that Haya isn't up to his standards then why do you think he married her? I'm just trying to see where you are coming from is all. Honestly, Shk Mo could have done much, much worse than Haya.Originally posted by silver charm@Jun 26th, 2004 - 7:31 pm
My dislike comes from being a fan of Mo. He is big into judging people by their accomplishments not their title/position.
If a fairly average looking girl with a complicated family and with little to no accomplishments (although she is coming up to her 30th bday) showed an interest in Mo he would of laughed at her interest and walked away.
But ohhhhh noooooooo she is PRINCESS Haya.
I think he could of married someone who is considerably more accomplished and worthy of being Mrs. Mo. Someone who is more comfortable with herself and her new status. Haya is just a spoiled brat.
Haya is not a spoiled brat. Nothing about her gives that impression. She lost her mother at a very young age, her step mother wasn't very close to her by all acounts and then she lost her father.Originally posted by silver charm@Jun 26th, 2004 - 6:31 pm
I think he could of married someone who is considerably more accomplished and worthy of being Mrs. Mo. Someone who is more comfortable with herself and her new status. Haya is just a spoiled brat.
completely agree, humera, haya should marry someone more her equal. younger more inexperienced-just starting out.Haya is not a spoiled brat. Nothing about her gives that impression. She lost her mother at a very young age, her step mother wasn't very close to her by all acounts and then she lost her father.
I dont see what standards you're using to judge her accomplishments. Why should her talents be measured more critically than those of any other royal-born princesses?
As for her husband, how "accomplished" were any of his first two wives before they married him? Is it a requirement that his wives all be some sort of super women to deserve him? He's got three of them for heaven's sake! He's got a below average face, but is wealthy and quite respectable, or should I say as respectable as most middle-eastern leader get. I would think that'd be enough for him.
The fact that people are even debating whether or not he should have married Haya or someone more "worthy" is ridiculous to me. He shouldn't have married Haya at all, she deserved a fresh start with someone her own age, not an old married man, no matter how wealthy or respected he is.