Royal Standards and Coats of Arms

[Lord Sosnowitz]

Nl

HRH Princess Christina of The NL's crest

 

[Lord Sosnowitz]

1., HM Queen of Spain's coat of arms
2., Dual crest of TRH The Prince of Wales & The Duchess of Cornwall
3., HM The Queen of Sweden's crest
4., Carflag in use, TM The King of Sweden & Queen of Denmark
last., HRH The Duke of Anjou's coat of arms

 

[PrinceOfCanada]

2., Dual crest of TRH The Prince of Wales & The Duchess of Cornwall

I think not.

The arms of the POW are:

The Prince's own coat of arms are those of the Royal coat of arms of the United Kingdom with a label for difference. The version used everywhere but Scotland is blazoned Quarterly (by quarters):
1st and 4th, Gules three Lions passant guardant in pale Or (England). (The first and fourth quarters display the three lions, representing England.) 2nd quarter is Or a lion rampant within a Double Tressure floury counterflory Gules (Scotland). (The second quarter, displays a red lion in a yellow field with a double border coloured red, this represents Scotland.) 3rd, Azure a Harp Or stringed Argent (Ireland). (The third quarter shows a harp against a blue background, this represents Ireland.) The whole differenced by a plain Label of three points Argent, as the eldest child of the sovereign, and an inescutcheon of the ancient Coat of Arms of the Principality of Wales.

 

[kimebear]

It is definitely referencing the Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall. The images contain the standard of the Duke of Rothesay and Camilla as the Duchess of Rothesay, the standard of the Duke of Cornwall, the emblem of the Prince of Wales and elements of the personal coat of arms of both Charles and Camilla.

 

[Menarue]

Wonderfully interesting thread, thanks Markgraf.

 

[PrinceOfCanada]

It is definitely referencing the Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall. The images contain the standard of the Duke of Rothesay and Camilla as the Duchess of Rothesay, the standard of the Duke of Cornwall, the emblem of the Prince of Wales and elements of the personal coat of arms of both Charles and Camilla.

Referencing, perhaps.

But it's still not his arms, and is therefore incorrect; he inherits his arms from his mother (due to her status as Sovereign), and therefore uses them with a label for difference.

 

[wbenson]

His arms are a little different from differenced royal arms. (Link) Several Welsh elements are added, as well as that Cornish thing with the dots at the bottom.

Everything on the picture is from his coat of arms (either as PoW or DoR), just strewn about as if they exploded.

 

[Marengo]

HRH Princess Christina of The NL's crest

Thanks LS! I have been looking for this crest for a while I wasn't able to find it! I suppose it must also be the crest of Princess Irene and of Princess Margriet, and maybe for HM after an evenbtual abdication.

I am still wondering about the crest for the van Vollenhovens though, or for the grandchildren of the Queen by her two youngest sons. I don't suppose the RVD will include them on the Dutch royal website though.

 

[Lord Sosnowitz]

Scottish armses

Yes but this coat of armses use just in Scotland!

I think not.

The arms of the POW are:

The Prince's own coat of arms are those of the Royal coat of arms of the United Kingdom with a label for difference. The version used everywhere but Scotland is blazoned Quarterly (by quarters):
1st and 4th, Gules three Lions passant guardant in pale Or (England). (The first and fourth quarters display the three lions, representing England.) 2nd quarter is Or a lion rampant within a Double Tressure floury counterflory Gules (Scotland). (The second quarter, displays a red lion in a yellow field with a double border coloured red, this represents Scotland.) 3rd, Azure a Harp Or stringed Argent (Ireland). (The third quarter shows a harp against a blue background, this represents Ireland.) The whole differenced by a plain Label of three points Argent, as the eldest child of the sovereign, and an inescutcheon of the ancient Coat of Arms of the Principality of Wales.

 

[Lord Sosnowitz]

I found my late post:
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/530466-post134.html
That is the (third) Vollenhoven-princes's arms.

 

[Warren]

I think not.
The arms of the POW are...

Lord Sosnowitz did not describe them as "the arms of the Prince of Wales" but as "Dual crest of TRH The Prince of Wales & The Duchess of Cornwall". Your "I think not" statement was an unnecessarily abrupt response to a member who has provided so much of the content of this thread. The precise description of the POW arms, however, is useful information for members.

Yes but this coat of armses use just in Scotland!

Thanks for posting the image in question Lord S as it shows an interesting combination of symbols with the emphasis on the Royal Arms of Scotland, and including the Duke and Duchess of Rothesay (the heir to the throne's Scottish dukedom as signified by the top two banners, overlaid by the Royal crown), the Prince of Wales (the POW feathers), the Duchy of Cornwall (the black shield with yellow dots), and Camilla's own boar's head.

 

[eborarmorist]

Coat of arms of:-
HM Queen Fabiola of the Belgians
HM Queen Paola of the Belgians

 

[eborarmorist]

Coat of Arms of HRH The Duchess of Gloucester (neé Birgitte van Deurs)
Assigned by Royal Warrant 18 Jul 1973
Image reconstructed from information in Boutell's Heraldry (a 1970's edn.):-
Basic Arms
Marital Arms, with Van Deurs arms 'in pretence' in centre of Duke's arms

 

[Lord Sosnowitz]

DssG


Oh, I have never seen such as that british royal arms, where the wife's crest in centre of husbands's arms ! ! !

 

[eborarmorist]

Arms of HRH the Duchess of Gloucester

Yes, it is unusual and I'm not immediately aware of another case. This arrangement does often appear in the heraldry of nobilty and gentry. Although I was vaguely aware of the Duchess's basic arms, it was only when I went back to my note in order to do the graphic that I saw this and was surprised. The reason, I suspect, is that that the Duchess had no brothers - I've not verified this - in which case in English heraldry she is an 'heraldic heiress' capable of transmitting her father's arms to her children. In these cases the custom is for the wife's arms to be borne in the centre of the husband's ('in pretence'), rather than side by side ('impaled' on one shield, or 'accollée' on two shields). The source is reliable as this edition of Boutell (a standard work) was edited by John Brooke-Little, a member of the (English) College of Arms at the time.

Incidentally, thankyou you for all your heraldic posts - kösönöm szépen.

 

[Lord Sosnowitz]

Possible . . . I saw it just Her Majesty Queen Silvia of Sweden's arms (see above).

 

[eborarmorist]

Great Britain: Arms of the Gloucesters

Further to my posts re HRH [Princess Birgitte] Duchess of Gloucester, here are the shields for the following:-
HRH [Prince Henry] Duke of Gloucester (1900-1974) - left
HRH Prince William of Gloucester (1941-1972) - center
HRH [Prince Richard] Duke of Gloucester (b 1944) - right
The small difference marks on the labels are St George's crosses and red lions passant gardant ('lions of England')

 

[eborarmorist]

Sweden: Arms of consorts and wives of princes

As I understand it, the custom in the Swedish Royal Family is for the Queen's arms to be that of the King, but with the inner shield of Vasa/Bernadotte replaced by that of her own family. This also seems to apply to the wives of princes. For example here are the shields of HRH Prince Bertil, Duke of Halland, the present King's late uncle and that of his wife HRH Princess Lilian, Duchess of Halland. This image of Princess Lilian's arms is recreated from a picture of her plaque as a member of the Order of the Seraphim:-
HRH Prince Bertil, Duke of Halland - left
HRH Princess Lilian, Duchess of Halland - right

 

[Lord Sosnowitz]

That's great!
You are really fantastic, I haven't found it.
Do U know anything about Norwegian Royal armses? (Q Sonja, CP, CPss, Martha Louise, Astrid, Ragnhild)

 

[eborarmorist]

Sweden: Arms of consorts and wives of princes

<Lord Sosnowitz>
Thankyou for your kind words.
The information re Princess Lilian came from a wonderful book:-
<Kungliga Serafimerorden, 1748-1998> by Per Nordenvall published Stockholm: Kungl Maj:ts orden 1998 (ISBN:9163067447) : I saw this in a library in the UK.
This has colour photos of all the heraldic plaques of the members of the Seraphim Order including famous Swedes and members of the Royal family.
I have some other examples but haven't created graphics yet:-
Queen Louise, wife of King Gustav VI Adolf; Crown Princess Sibylla, mother of King Carl XVI Gustav; Princess Ingeborg, wife of Prince Carl, Duke of Västergötland.

Re: the Norwegian Royals, I'm not aware of any individual arms for these. Queen Sonja's Seraphim armorial plaque shows the same arms as the King.
However I've asked this question on the Scandinavian Heraldry Forum.

 

[eborarmorist]

Sweden: Arms of consorts and wives of princes

Here are the arms of the following:-

Left
Queen Louise (née Battenberg/Mountbatten), wife of Gustav VI Adolf
Centre
Crown Princess Sibylla, Duchess of Västerbotten, mother of King Carl XVI Gustav
Right
Princess Ingeborg (née Princess of Denmark), wife of Prince Carl, Duke of Västergötland, and mother of Queen Astrid of Belgium and Crown Princess Märtha of Norway

 

[Warren]

It's worth adding that Crown Princess Sibylla was born a Princess of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha and Duchess of Saxony, and the inner shield of her Swedish arms is that of Saxony.

 

[Emeralds and Opals]

Re: Arms of Denmark RF and CPss Letizia of Spain

Dear Warren,

Does Denmark have the blue lions and the red hearts because Luneberg used to part of the Denmark or the royal houses of Oldenburg and Gluckburg used to have Luneberg as part of their lands?

Does CPss Letizia's family of Ortiz y Roscolano have a coat of arms or did the Spanish Heraldic organisation created one for her i.e. like the Spanish and Argentinan Heraldic organisations did after researching CPss Maxima's ancestor from Spain, whose descendants settled later in Argentina in which her father Jorge is a direct descendant through the male line?

BTW, was the original spelling of CPss Maxima's maiden name with a S in Spain but, when the family emigrated to Argentina it was changed to a Z?

Do you think that P Christian and Pss Isabella of Denmark shall have their coat of arms displayed once they turn 18?

Does GD Maria-Terese of Luxembourg's family have a coat of arms?

Does Mabel, the wife of Prince Johan-Friso have a coat of arms from her family?

Does anyone know whether Camilla's father was related somehow to the Middleton family since that was one of his christian names? Does Kate Middleton's family or Chelsy Davy's family have a coat of arms?

Does CPss Mette-Marit of Norway's family and Ari Behn's family have a coat of arms?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers and Thank you,
Emeralds and Opals

 

[Warren]

Does Denmark have the blue lions and the red hearts because Luneberg used to part of the Denmark or the royal houses of Oldenburg and Gluckburg used to have Luneberg as part of their lands?

The arms of Denmark (here) - three running crowned blue lions in a gold field dotted with red hearts - first appeared about 1190, roughly the same time as the arms of Brunswick and Lüneburg (here). The Lüneburg arms are "related' to those of Denmark, which would suggest the Danish arms came first.

The Oldenburg arms are unrelated, being two red bars on a gold background - see here. The arms of the Duchy of Schleswig were two lions on a gold background (here), and the arms of the County of Holstein were originally a form of indented bordure which came to be regarded as a nettle leaf (white on a red background) "characteristic of the prickly nature of the folk of Holstein." The arms of Schleswig-Holstein can be seen here while S-H-Sonderburg-Glücksburg has the shield of Oldenburg in the centre.

source: Lines of Succession - Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe by Jiri Louda & Michael Maclagan 1981

 

[Lord Sosnowitz]

Dutch

Here are the arms of the following:-

Left
Queen Louise (née Battenberg/Mountbatten), wife of Gustav VI Adolf
Centre
Crown Princess Sibylla, Duchess of Västerbotten, mother of King Carl XVI Gustav
Right
Princess Ingeborg (née Princess of Denmark), wife of Prince Carl, Duke of Västergötland, and mother of Queen Astrid of Belgium and Crown Princess Märtha of Norway

It's so nice! And it's not similar to TRH Crown Princess, Madeleine, Carl Philip's armses.
Have U ever seen HRH Princess Laurentien, TIRH Archduchess Astrid, Lorenz, Princess Claire, Prince Laurent's armses? Or TRH Infanta Cristina, Elena's armses? The Princess of Hannover's arms?

 

[eborarmorist]

Lord Sosnowitz asked:-
Have U ever seen HRH Princess Laurentien, TIRH Archduchess Astrid, Lorenz, Princess Claire, Prince Laurent's armses? Or TRH Infanta Cristina, Elena's armses? The Princess of Hannover's arms?

Sorry, I have no info on these at the moment.

 

[harrydeharigeaap]

Do you have any pictures of the arms of the Duchess of kent and her children, the children of the Duke of Gloucester, the children of Princess Margaret or the children of Princess Anne?

 

[Lord Sosnowitz]

I think they haven't got own armses (Zara & Peter)! But Lord Ulster, Lord St.Andrews must have!

 

[harrydeharigeaap]

Here are the arms of

astrid of belgium


Elena of spain


Caroline of Monaco

 

[harrydeharigeaap]

it is different then it is normal done in Great Britain

Coat of Arms of HRH The Duchess of Gloucester (neé Birgitte van Deurs)
Assigned by Royal Warrant 18 Jul 1973
Image reconstructed from information in Boutell's Heraldry (a 1970's edn.):-
Basic Arms
Marital Arms, with Van Deurs arms 'in pretence' in centre of Duke's arms

This THe Duchess of Gloucester's arms on an official document


Normally the wife of a British prince is there two arms next to each other or a combined arms with on the left the husband and on the left the wife, like this

Countess Sophie of Wessex


Duchess of Kent


Princess Micheal of kent


Sarah Duchess of York (before and after marriage, during marriage)


The Duchess Of Cornwall (camilla)


And last but not least Diana, Princess of Wales (during and after her mariage with Charles)