Royal Family of Hawai'i

[GlitteringTiaras]

Glittering Tiaras, thank you very much for sharing more of your knowledge in this matter. I will check for the books you suggest on Amazon. (It's been at least three weeks since I ordered from them, and my hands are shaking LOL!) I'm an avid reader and love history. Hawaii's Story in particular intrigues me, and is well-reviewed.

Married to a man of Chippewa decent, I am sensitive to the impact of colonialism and displacement... and ignorance. As recently as the 1930's, his grandfather was not accepted into "polite" society, and wound up abandoning his young family to live in the remote forest of extreme northern Michigan. While the issues in his family are of course different than that of Hawaii's history, I can certainly understand the strength of your feelings in this matter. Thank you again for your insight and recommendations.

It is interesting to note that there are similarities between what happened to the Native Americans and Native Hawaiians. In fact, various nation groups come to Hawai'i often to have talks with sovreignty groups... it's a curious (if that's the right word to use) bond between these two great peoples.

Perhaps we could talk about the overthrow without becoming too political about it, but we'll be walking a fine line. The facts are out there, unfortunately, many only know one side. The Bishop Museum is currently in the process of transferring many Hawaiian newspapers online (hence digitally scanned) for all to read and use for research. So for those who are interested this is one avenue to begin their research.

The story of the Hawaiian kingdom is extremely fascinating one; especially with its unique ties to England (which can still be felt and seen today.) Perhaps later in the day (or week), I'll give a brief historical analysis between the two.

 

[Czarina]

I feel rather ignorant over here in my Midwestern corner of the U.S. While I had come across references to the questionable action of annexation, I had not realized that there was a growing movement working towards regaining sovereignty. Since this thread, I've been doing some more reading, including several websites dedicated to this. I've also read some excerpts of various writings of the Queen's and am struck with her eloquence and intelligence. (Even I know that while every royal can be well-educated, not all of them are mental heavyweights LOL!) She was obviously a lady of high calibre, and her book is at the top of my Amazon wish list.

If you find the time and the inclination at the same time , I would be grateful to hear more about your analysis.

 

[Vanesa]

Hum...I'm very interested in this issue. So, it's true there is a movement searching to regain soveranity.

Abnd I didn't know Hawaii had a so highly intelligent Queen! WE are learning new things every day of our lifes...

Vanesa.

 

[GlitteringTiaras]

So, it's true there is a movement searching to regain soveranity.

Very much so and their voice is becoming louder and louder. Unfortunately, I don't think that it will happen.

The people of Hawai'i are constantly battling for their rights, specifically land rights, that are essentially stolen lands connected all the way back from the overthrow. Case and point La'au Point in Molokai. The people are also struggling to keep the KSBE schools for Hawaiians only (that was the reason why it was set up in the first place; Education for Hawaiians only; to give them a fair chance.) The movement for sovereignty and Kamehameha Schools (for native Hawaiians only) is growing and protests are not just in Hawai'i they are on the mainland as well including, but limited to, SoCal, Seattle, and San Fran.

 

[LadyGabrielle]

The Queen was a very intelligent and elegant woman who was taught the western ways by the missionaries as were the other monarchs of Hawaii. The royal children had to attend what was called the " Chiefs School". They were taught how to read and write and were taught western ways including how to be proper. The mode of dress was definitely English since the monarchy was deeply impressed with British ways. Not only that, the little Prince, Albert, was the Godson of Queen Victoria. Unfortunately he died when he was only 4 years of age. I sometimes wonder if the Royal family has any knowledge of that little tidbit. As for sovereignty, yes it is a very big issue. It is quite unlikely that full sovereignty will ever be gained but some kind of agreement will be made. The U.S. will not be willing to give up islands that are too valuable when it comes to the military. We just have to wait and see what happens. I think the American Indians are the only group of indigenous peoples who have been willing to stand with the Hawaiian people in the quest to be heard and to be recognized as indigenous people of the Hawaiian Islands. Being the American Indians have basically gone through the same thing makes sense as to why they are so special to the Native Hawaiians.They all can relate in a huge way I think.

 

[Czarina]

I think you are right, Lady Gabrielle.

I was just reading about the Australian government's apology to all the Aboriginal children they had removed from their families, for decades, placing with white foster families for 'their own good.' Hundreds of people, cut off from their families and cultures and identities... and many of them abused in various forms by their foster parents. I believe this policy was in existence until around 1970.

White and western powers are accountable for a great deal of suffering upon native peoples, and none of it can ever be rectified. One would think in the case of the Hawaiians, organized and a force, they would have a shot given improved public consciousness - if not for full sovereignty, than certainly for land privileges.

I would truly love to visit Hawaii. My parents were just there in October, but my father was first there in 1963 as the guest of a good friend. The friend's Japanese father arrived in 1913, and married a woman of Hawaiian descent. My father was the family's guest on a modest plantation. He was able to explore the more remote locations and sites with such a knowledgeable host.

While my parents returned home in love with the islands, my father regretfully noted how much had changed in 40 years and the diminishment of much that he had found charming.

 

[LadyGabrielle]

I wish it was that simple Czarina. Even with educating people about the issues that have plagued the Hawaiian people including land issues, it would still be a huge battle. The foreigners who have purchased these lands or inherited these lands from their ancestors dont believe they should have to give back any land. The fact is the majority of "land owners" in Hawaii either dont understand or dont want to accept that they are in control of land that basically does not belong to them, at least not legally. This goes back to the missionary days when they decided it was time to become self sufficient and not rely on the church anymore. They were given some lands but not huge amounts unless they happened to marry a chiefess. As time went on, the illegal overthrow happened and the new "government", quite a few being the offspring of the original missionaries, decided to divide the lands according to how they saw fit and became multi-billionaires and still are to this day. There are still huge amounts of land that are undeveloped that the Hawaiian people are constantly battling in court for but sometimes its a losing battle since they have no money to go through a lengthy court process. So in the meantime there are groups out there that are trying to go toe to toe through the court system and believe it or not there have been a few cases that have been won. Its a difficult subject but worth studying. A good book for you, "Hawaii's Story by Hawaii's Queen" or a book I think is called "The Betrayal of Queen Liliuokalani".

 

[GlitteringTiaras]

There are still huge amounts of land that are undeveloped that the Hawaiian people are constantly battling in court for but sometimes its a losing battle since they have no money to go through a lengthy court process.

Several cases of the wealthy buying up land like crazy:

Oprah purchased sacred land on the outskirts of Hana, Maui. The land she bought is extensive and in order to keep out the public from "her" beach, she set-up a giant barbwire fence.

Peter Guber, owner of the Tara Plantation at Papa'a Bay (you know the place I am talking about Lady Gabrielle.) He bought a large plot of land, cut off the public access to the beach, so he could have his "privacy." Read more about it here and [URL="http://www.kauaiworld.com/articles/2005/01/26/news/news02.txt"]here[/URL]

Pierce Bronson owns several houses all over the islands, and is one of the worst offenders when it comes to respecting the 'aina. Read more here.

Some big whoop-dee-doo fashion designer also bought land in Maui.

In Wainiha, there is a battle regarding a man who bought a plot of land that is located on an ancient burial site. [URL="http://www.kauaiworld.com/articles/2008/02/08/news/news04.txt"]Read the story here[/URL]

Concerned community members from Kealia to Ha‘ena asked the council to stop {removed name for privacy of the party} from building a house where archaeologists have found 30 burials and scattered remains — believed to be part of a Polynesian cemetery some eight centuries old

Another owner, next to that plot of land, next to it, happens to be:

Red Hot Chili Peppers lead singer Anthony Kiedis to build homes on adjacent lots in the Wainiha...

The major problem is real estate agents, and Mainland developers, on all the islands who sell acres and acres of sacred 'aina to outsiders who really don't care about Hawai'i.

All they care about is buying a chunk of land so they can build their McMansions on the beach with giant gates. Many do not give back to the community, drive like crazy on small two laned roads, and expect the "star" treatment when they are there. The locals are fed up with it and on some of the islands, specifically O'ahu, they are fighting back which varies from island to island.

As I've noted before, I don't think Hawai'i would or could financially remove itself from the US. Outright sovereignty may be economically impossible. In regards to Statehood, I've been told by many people over the years that they regret it, and wished it never happened.

 

[LadyGabrielle]

I agree with you G.T. Its not about the sacredness of the land to these people but the amount of land they can buy and the view. I am aware of the land where the 30 sites were found and who is involved. I have to laugh because the "owner" said he wanted to protect some of the sites and might have to move some of the others to a different area. These people dont understand what these areas mean to the Hawaiian people. Burial sites are sacred and I always make the comment that what would these same people do if we were to buy an area where their loved ones were buried and decided to build there and in the process dug up the bones of their family members, I doubt that they would be o.k. with it. But its o.k. for them to come to Hawaii and do what they please just because they have the money to do so? That is so wrong! Its the same on every other island Im afraid. Its a sad situation and quite frustrating. Its a never ending battle. Thanks for the other links to read. I appreciate your input as always.

 

[scooter]

GT, when we were in Maui last month, we were told that Rupert Murdoch now owns 90% of the island of Lanai. Any truth to that?

 

[GlitteringTiaras]

I believe the family bought out Castle and Cooke sometime ago which had a stake (or part of, I forget) in the old Dole pineapple industry (98% of the land was used for pineapple cultivation.) However, when the industry fell the company turned to mega luxury resorts on the island. Now, every single local who lives on the island is a slave, er, "housekeeper", to the wealthy who visit Lanai.

Don't be fooled by these mega corporations who say they are bringing jobs to the islands. The only jobs they give to the people of Hawai'i are below the line jobs hence maids, bellhops, valets, garden workers, and so forth. A majority of the top of the line jobs is reserved for Mainland employees. These companies relocate them to the islands along with a generous packages. Complaints have been going on for years, but the Hawaiian government hasn't done a darn thing about it, but then again can they?

Take for example The Disney Company. The company bought a huge piece of land on the Westside of O'ahu and plan to build a mega Disney resort in the tradition of Disney Orlando, but with a Lilo and Stitch feel (which is offensive to many of the Kanaka I personally know, but that's another story.) Meetings were held after the big media announcement back in late September early October when I was there, and the locals voiced their concerns regarding the exploitation of the Hawaiian culture, 'aina, and the people. Disney assured them jobs, but when the people found out what they were applying for, maids and butlers, as well as the pay, which is min. wage, once again they cried foul. Asked about higher up positions, Disney danced around the question. Again, higher paying positions are reserved for Mainland employees.

Something is very wrong here. Exploitation of the culture for monetary gain... hmm sound familiar? The overthrow, anyone?

 

[scooter]

DISNEY!!!!! Say it isnt so! One of the things I love most about the Hawaiian Islands is that for the most part they are undeveloped in huge swaths, except around Honolulu. My sister was a chef at Roy Yamaguchi's in Kahana for years and it was my excuse to slip off to Maui on the slightest of excuses. When is this Lilo and Stitch perversion supposed to get under way?

 

[AnastasiaEvidence]

Here are more photos of Kaiulani.

 

[GlitteringTiaras]

Absolutely fantastic, Anastasia Evidence. Thank you.

I have a soft spot for Crown Princess Ka'iulani. She along with Queen Emma, King Kalakaua are among my favorites and most interested in of all the Hawaiian monarchs.

DISNEY!!!!! Say it isnt so! One of the things I love most about the Hawaiian Islands is that for the most part they are undeveloped in huge swaths, except around Honolulu. My sister was a chef at Roy Yamaguchi's in Kahana for years and it was my excuse to slip off to Maui on the slightest of excuses. When is this Lilo and Stitch perversion supposed to get under way?

The new Disney rolleyes Hotel will near Kapolei in the Ko Olina area. We'll see what happens, but the only positive thing I can say is that it will create jobs (even though there not high paying positions) in an area that is trying to revive (if that's the right word) itself hence Kapolei.

When you fly into Honolulu Airport, and you are sitting on the left hand side of the plane, you will be able to see it in all it's tacky glory once construction is complete.

On a lighter more interesting note, I've been researching a particular subject now, and I found some amazing information (primary sources not available online) regarding King Kalakaua. Later, when I have a chance, I'll post my findings.

 

[AnastasiaEvidence]

Your welcome Glittering Tiara's. Thanks! I have so more that are rare but since I don't know where I got them from I may not want to post at all. I am very glad you like the photos I showed.

 

[GlitteringTiaras]

Most of the rare photos you find on the 'net are from `Iolani Palace Archives, Bishop Museum Archives, HHS, KHS, DoH, HSA, UoM, Gutenberg.org, Hulih`e Palace, HawaiianKingdom.org, and so forth.

[url=http://starbulletin.com/2001/11/11/travel/story1.html]Here[/URL] is an interesting article, with photos from Nov 2001 courtesy of the Honolulu Star Bulletin.

Enjoy.

 

[Russophile]

David Kalakua?
We are going back to Kaua'i in a week. We have time shares which gives us a good excuse to go over every other year. We will stay in Maui next time.
When we were on Oahu, the descendants of the missionaries were at Queen Emma's Summer Palace told us they thought with all the building on Oahu that it would tip the island!
Oh they had lovely things in the Summer Palace! I was amazed at the feather standards and that the islanders realized that there was limited birds so they were on a catch and release program for the prized colors of the feathers to put in the standards.
I would suggest anybody over in Oahu to see the Summer Palace and the wealth of information that these ladies have about the Hawai'ian Royal Family. Their love of the islands keeps the memories alive.

 

[GlitteringTiaras]

Yes, His Majesty's English name was David, but most, Kanakas that I have known all my life, prefer to call him by his Hawaiian name La`amea Kamanakapu`u Mahinulani Nalaiaehuokalani Lumialani Kalākaua.

Have fun in da islands. Your lucky you are going now and not several weeks ago... rain and floods galore!

would suggest anybody over in Oahu to see the Summer Palace and the wealth of information that these ladies have about the Hawai'ian Royal Family

They are called he Daughters of Hawai'i, and they are the caretakers of Her Majesty's memory.

 

[Russophile]

One of the first things I'm gonna do after getting my fill of Katsu chicken and kahlua pig is a nice big chocolate macadamia nut ice cream from Lapperts! It's Noka oh! And I know I spelt that wrong!!!
We will most likely hit the museum there again. Been 4 years since I've been. Kaua'i doesn't have as much history on it, but it sure is beautiful!

 

[GlitteringTiaras]

Kaua'i doesn't have as much history on it, but it sure is beautiful!

You can't be serious? You've never heard of Kaumualii? Perhaps you should pick up the book Kaua'i: A Seperate Kingdom by Edward Joesting at Border's at Kukui Grove, and/or visit the Kaua'i Museum for a long guided tour.

Unfortunately, my Tutu is no longer living; she used to give tours and talk about the old days on Kaua'i and Moloka'i to tourists. Now the torch has been passed to others. You might want to stop by Limahuli Gardens and take a guided tour. They'll tell you all about the history and 'aina of Kaua'i.

 

[Russophile]

What I mean is that they don't have as many palaces and such. They have the Napali coast (which we're gonna hike then have some sneaky tiki's afterwards cuz it's a freaking goat trail and rated difficult hike!! But aaah! The beautiful views!!!) and the minihunae history <sic>, the Waimea canyon, we took the helicopter flight over that last time. We didn't hit the gardens, not enough time. We can do that this time. But we're gonna take a luau in, of course, and a Captain Andy's. And swim and play tennis.
I hoped they would have a palace or two as well. We were on Kona a year ago December and they were closing up Kamehameha's palace over at Hilo due to the earthquake that had hit. A lot of rooms had been blocked off and they were putting a lot of the furniture into storage. The furniture was GORGEOUS!

 

[GlitteringTiaras]

Sounds lovely, Russophile, enjoy your stay.

To get back on topic:

Do you have any thoughts regarding the monarchy, the overthrow, the rise of the sovereignty movement, the Akaka Bill, Native Hawaiian 'aina rights, KSBE, and/or anything that specifically ties into the Royal Family of Hawai'i... their legacy and memory to and for the Kanakas of Hawai'i? Have you had a chance to read any of the books Lady Garielle and I have listed within these past two and a half pages before? If so, what are your thoughts?

 

[Russophile]

I've got a book, but I haven't read it. (Sorry! Don't throw the pineapple at me!! ) Read Michner's Hawaii, and been there a few times. Have a lot of Jaycee friends over there in Jaycee chapters. The Hawai'ian Jaycees, the Chinese Jaycee's Rising Phoenix, etc.
From what I remember from the Daughters of the Missionaries, there wasn't anyone left of Kahmehameha's blood, is there any royal blood left?
I am surprised they are fighting for their rights, I thought they got precedence.
I haven't heard a lot from my friends over there. I can ask. I'll see them soon anyway. . .

 

[LadyGabrielle]

I've got a book, but I haven't read it. (Sorry! Don't throw the pineapple at me!! ) Read Michner's Hawaii, and been there a few times. Have a lot of Jaycee friends over there in Jaycee chapters. The Hawai'ian Jaycees, the Chinese Jaycee's Rising Phoenix, etc.
From what I remember from the Daughters of the Missionaries, there wasn't anyone left of Kahmehameha's blood, is there any royal blood left?
I am surprised they are fighting for their rights, I thought they got precedence.
I haven't heard a lot from my friends over there. I can ask. I'll see them soon anyway. . .

May I just say that it depends on who you ask when it comes to royal blood. The Daughters of Hawaii responded with the statement that there is no one left from Kamehamehas line but if you do your research you will find that Kamehamehas "father" was not really his father. His father was his Uncle and since that is the case then there are numerous people that can claim Kamehameha as their cousin from way back when, my husband being one of them. If you are sincere in wanting to know more about the history of Hawaii may I suggest "Hawaiis Story by Hawaiis Queen" and the book "Ruling Chiefs" which offers an insight into ancient Hawaii. There is so much more to Hawaii than swaying palm trees, hula girls and beaches. Hawaii has a rich history filled with ancient stories, sacred dances and places. Take the time to study or better yet ask questions as often as possible.

 

[GlitteringTiaras]

Indeed. Posts #49, #51, and #67 details the list of starter books, Russophile.

LG, I may be headed your way in the next few months... so lookout. How did you fair with the wet weather a couple of weeks ago? My friends who live off Powerhouse Rd were cut off for a day and had no water for a short period of time.

 

[Russophile]

Oh I'm totally into the history thing, I just got side tracked with the Russian thing. Like I need another obsession! HA!
Molokai is where I want to go as well to see the leper colony.
Now why were the Hawaiians not so resistant to disease?
And, did Queen Emma die of a broken heart? So to speak? I can't remember. She was young, 49. I know the aborigines do that: will themselves to die.

 

[LadyGabrielle]

Oh I'm totally into the history thing, I just got side tracked with the Russian thing. Like I need another obsession! HA!
Molokai is where I want to go as well to see the leper colony.
Now why were the Hawaiians not so resistant to disease?
And, did Queen Emma die of a broken heart? So to speak? I can't remember. She was young, 49. I know the aborigines do that: will themselves to die.

You have to remember that before any westerners came around there were few ailments that they could not handle using the medicinal plants that were available in the islands but diseases like measles and diseases that were contracted by infected sailors including even a common cold were too much for them. Leprosy was brought to the islands from the Chinese that came to Hawaii to work in the sugarcane fields. Molokai still has people with Hansens disease that live in Kalaupapa. The story is quite tragic. A good book to read would be one about Father Damien who gave his life towards helping these poor people. Queen Emma was heart broken because the little prince, her son died when he was only 4 years of age supposedly by the hand of the king, his father. Princess Ka'iulani it is rumored, died of a broken heart because of the annexation of the islands to the U.S. She was the Crown Princess next in line to the throne. She was only 24 years of age. It is also said she caught a terrible cold that caused her to become very weak and therefore died. I suppose it is possible to will yourself to die, it is still done today I believe.

 

[LadyGabrielle]

Indeed. Posts #49, #51, and #67 details the list of starter books, Russophile.

LG, I may be headed your way in the next few months... so lookout. How did you fair with the wet weather a couple of weeks ago? My friends who live off Powerhouse Rd were cut off for a day and had no water for a short period of time.

G.T. I cant wait!!!! The weather was definitely wet and there were a few power outages but all in all it was o.k. Its been absolutely beautiful the last week and Im enjoying the beach as much as possible. We have to hook up when you get here girlie! Cant wait.

 

[Russophile]

Oh I knew that disease ravaged them as well as STD's. The women were very welcoming, indeed to the sailors! I just wondered why they were so prone to it. Why they didn't have a good immune defense. I heard that disease and STD's had taken the population down from originally when before Captain Cook arrived from something like 500, 000 in all the islands to just 100,000 in a couple decades. I had heard about Father Damien (in Michner's Hawaii).
I'll wave at you on Thursday. We're flying in, getting the rental and heading up to Pahio Resorts.

 

[LadyGabrielle]

Well let me just say that Hawaiians were probably the most healthiest people around. Why? Im not sure. They ate good, they used the plants that were available to them which must have had great medicinal properties, they were never subjected to any diseases from foreigners until later, they were just all around healthy. There was no thing as alcohol or foods that werent good for them, there was no such thing as a cold even. They were in the middle of the ocean with no contact from anyone which made their immune system very strong. The foods they ate were very nutritious and full of vitamins. I think it was some of these factors that made them so healthy and when westerners came along their bodies were not able to handle the different diseases that were brought to the islands. These diseases were basically unknown and they were not able to cure them. As for Kaumualii, the King of Kauai, he was the son of King Kaeokulani who was the son of King Kekaulike who was the king of Maui. King Kaumualii ruled Kauai and his father, King Kaeokulani ruled Niihau which is the island that is off limits to anyone unless you are related or have permission to go there. There is alot of history about Kauai that you should ask about or read about if you get a chance. Have a good trip and ask questions when you can.