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Charles I's coffin was hastily dumped into the same vault as Henry VIII and Jane Seymour and was later sealed up but rediscovered by accident in the early 19th century during restoration work.
 
angieuk said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-old-Princes-Tower-murder-mystery-SOLVED.html

Did not know there were 2 other children found at Windsor Castle in 1700's?
Wonder what King Charles will do?
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I believe that KCIII will be open to having DNA tests done on the remains especially since there is related DNA on file. At the very least the tests would determine if there is a familial relation or not.



If the results do show that these are the remains of Edward V and the Duke of York, it's possible that they might have a funeral. I wonder then if they would be laid to rest near their parents' graves at St. George's Chapel Windsor or would they remain at Westminster Abbey near their eldest sister?
 
The ID of Richard III was established using mitochondrial maternal line DNA, as were those of the Romanovs. So presumably they’d need a maternal line descendant from one of Elizabeth Woodville’s daughters, if there are any. Or maybe they can do something with the DNA used to ID Richard. It wouldn’t prove what happened to the boys, on whose orders, but it’d clear up part of the mystery. Although I do understand that people have qualms about digging up skeletons.
 
Its not like either of these remains were recently discovered,both sets were found over 300 years ago but there does not seem to be an urgency in discovering who they are definitively!
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Alison H said:
The ID of Richard III was established using mitochondrial maternal line DNA, as were those of the Romanovs. So presumably they’d need a maternal line descendant from one of Elizabeth Woodville’s daughters, if there are any. Or maybe they can do something with the DNA used to ID Richard. It wouldn’t prove what happened to the boys, on whose orders, but it’d clear up part of the mystery. Although I do understand that people have qualms about digging up skeletons.
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It would be interesting to find out if the 2 skeletons are in fact related. There is the myth that one of the boys was switched with a local boy.
 
IF the "bones in the urn" are re-examined, the first thing they need to do is date them. If the reports of where they were found are correct, they can NOT be those of Edward IV's sons. They were discovered ten feet under the foundations of a stone staircase that was built nearly two hundred years before the boys were born, on the edge of what is now known as a Roman-era cemetery under the Tower grounds. (And they spent several weeks in a garbage heap before being gathered up again!) I'm 98% certain those bones are of two Roman children. After all, an excavation large enough under that staircase would have been remembered as it would have taken several men days to dig down and then under the staircase to deposit the bodies. Several hundred people LIVED in the Tower at the time. Someone would have gladly tried to curry favor with the new King by telling him where his wife's brothers were buried!

There have been many sets of bones found in The Tower grounds over the centuries. Remember, there has been human occupation there for millennia, and the above-mentioned Roman cemetery lies under the site. There was even another young man who disappeared there, one of Margaret Pole's grandsons who was imprisoned by the Tudors, never to be seen again.
 
An Ard Ri said:
Its not like either of these remains were recently discovered,both sets were found over 300 years ago but there does not seem to be an urgency in discovering who they are definitively!
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Bunte online, the German tabloid, reports and cites Germany's biggest daily, Bild.
https://www.bunte.de/royals/britisc...ges-raetsel-um-prinzen-steht-vor-loesung.html

So, they claim, the bones were found centuries ago dumped together with animal bones. And the reason, why they were not forensically examined until now with DNA testing and all this, is, that the deceased Queen Elizabeth II. was against it!

While Charles might allow or has already given his allowance, to compare the results of a DNA testing with a testing of the bones of King Richard III., who's remains were found recently below a parking lot...

My, where the mighty end up...
 
There are some may missing royal burials ,many were presumed lost during Dissolution of the Monasteries,Reformation,Great Fire and the Blitz.

In London alone
Minoresses of St. Clare Convent without Aldgate
Blanche of Artois
Anne de Mowbray, 8th Countess of Norfolk - rediscovered during excavations in 1964 and now buried at Westminster Abbey.

Old St Paul's Cathedral
Sæbbi King of Essex (d.695)
Edward the Exile (d.1057)
John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster (d.1399)
Blanche of Lancaster (d.1368)

Christ Church Greyfriars
Isabella of France (Queen of England)
Marguerite of France (Queen of England)
Joan of The Tower (Queen of Scotland)
Margaret, Duchess of Norfolk (noblewoman)
Isabella de Coucy (princess)
Beatrice of England (princess)
 
William Longespée, 3rd Earl of Salisbury also known as William Long Sword who died in March 1226.
He was an illegitimate son of Henry II of England
The 3rd Earl is buried at March 1226 at Salisbury Cathedral and his tomb has survived.
His tomb was opened in 1791 for examination.


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The tomb of the Lady Elizabeth de Montfort, Baroness Montagu at Christ Church Cathedral, Oxford. +1354

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Tomb of Richard Beauchamp, 13th Earl of Warwick at the Collegiate Church of St Mary, Warwick.

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Queen Berengaria was buried at the abbey of L’Épau in Le Mans which she had founded.
The effigy and the original tomb chest date from the 13th century and was moved in 1609 to a new location as were her remains.
In 1699 the French historian ,Roger de Gaignières had engravings of the abbey and the tomb commissioned .
In 1790 the abbey was sold and the Cistercians were evicted and the church was ransacked and later turned into a hay barn.
In 1821 the queen's tomb chest was found under a pile of hay and a box containing bones which were presumed to be those of Berengaria.

Berengaria of Nevarre Queen of Richard the Lionheart – Church Monuments Society
 
A little further reading on the Funeral and burial of Catherine of Aragon
The tomb survived until 1643 when it was vandalized by Oliver Cromwell’s soldiers ,the gilding and rails were also robbed .
In 1777 the coffin of Catherine was opened and examined but it was not until the 1840's that the tomb was repaired and again by Queen Mary who had the banners of England and of England and Castile/Aragon hung over the tomb
The Queen is Dead: Katharine of Aragon's Funeral
 
The rediscovery of the Tomb Effigy Richard the Lionheart in 1834.
The tomb effigy escaped destruction as it had been moved to the Abbey crypt in the 1790's and thankfully did not suffer the same fate as that of Joan and son Raymond of Toulouse.
The remains of Richard nor any other member of his family have never been found and are presumed destroyed in 1793 during the pillaging of Fontevraud.
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Below are just some of the famous royals who are buried at St George's Chapel in Windsor Castle:
  • Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh
  • Princess Margaret
  • George VI and Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother
  • Mary of Teck, Queen of the United Kingdom
  • George V, King of the United Kingdom
  • Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen, Queen of the United Kingdom
  • William IV, King of the United Kingdom
  • George IV, King of the United Kingdom
  • George III, King of the United Kingdom
  • Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, Queen of the United Kingdom
  • Charles I, King of England, Scotland and Ireland
  • Henry VIII, King of England and Ireland
  • Jane Seymour, Queen of England
  • Edward VII, King of the United Kingdom
  • Henry VI, King of England
  • Edward IV, King of England
Source: St George's Chapel, Windsor Castle - Wikipedia

Below are just some of the kings and queens buried at Winchester Cathedral:
  • Cygnelis
  • Cenwalh of Wessex
  • Egbert
  • Athelwulf of Wessex
  • Eadred
  • Eadwig
  • King Cnut and Queen Emma
  • William II
Source: Winchester Cathedral - Wikipedia

Below are just some of the royals who are buried at Frogmore House:
  • Queen Victoria, Queen of the United Kingdom
  • Prince Albert
  • Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld (Duchess of Kent)
  • King Edward VIII & Wallace Simpson
  • Prince George, Duke of Kent
  • Princess Helena of the United Kingdom
  • Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester
  • Prince Harald of Schleswig-Holstein
  • Prince Francis of Teck
  • Princess Louise Margaret, Duchess of Connaught
  • Princess Louise, Duchess of Argyll
  • Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught
  • Princess Helena Victoria of Schleswig-Holstein
  • Princess Marie Louise of Schleswig-Holstein
  • Princess Marina, Duchess of Kent
  • Prince William of Gloucester
  • Princess Patricia of Connaught
  • Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester
  • Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone
Source: Royal Mausoleum, Frogmore - Wikipedia
 
Below are just some of the kings buried at Glastonbury Abbey:
  • King Arthur (un-confirmed)
  • Edmund I
  • Edgar I
  • Edmund Ironside
Source: Glastonbury Abbey - Wikipedia

Below are just some of the kings and queens buried at Westminster Abbey:
  • Edward the Confessor & Edith of Wessex
  • Edward I of England & Eleanor of Castile
  • Edward III of England & Philippa of Hainault
  • Edward V & Richard Duke of York
  • Edward VI of England
  • Richard II of England & Anne of Bohemia
  • Henry III of England
  • Henry V of England & Catherine of Valois
  • Henry VII of England & Elizabeth of York
  • Anne of Cleves, wife of King Henry VIII
  • Mary I of England
  • Mary, Queen of Scots
  • Elizabeth I of England
  • James VI of Scotland and I of England & Anne of Denmark
  • Charles II of England and Scotland
  • Mary II of England and Scotland
  • William III of England and II of Scotland
  • Anne, Queen of Great Britain
  • George II of Great Britain & Caroline of Ansbach
Source: Westminster Abbey - Wikipedia

From Richard III, whose grave was rediscovered under a council car park in 2012 in Leicester, to Henry I at Reading Abbey, there are other locations across England where royals are buried:
  • Henry I (Reading Abbey)
  • Henry IV (Canterbury Cathedral)
  • Edward II (Gloucester Cathedral)
  • Richard III (Leicester Cathedral)
Sources: Reading Abbey - Wikipedia
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Canterbury Cathedral - Wikipedia

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Gloucester Cathedral - Wikipedia

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Leicester Cathedral - Wikipedia

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Sadly Glastonbury Abbey is a ruin having fallen victim to Thomas Cromwell in 1539 during the Dissolution of the Religious Houses.
The poor Abbot Whiting of Glastonbury was hung ,drawn and quatered with brothers Doms John Thorn and Roger James for having written arguments in behalf of Katherine of Aragon.
The abbey was once the jewel of the Somerset Landscape.
 

The Royal Mausoleum at Frogmore -Victoria and Albert​

 
The parents of Katherine Parr were buried at St. Anne's chapel at the now destroyed Blackfriars church in London.
Sadly the tomb of Sir Thomas Parr and Lady Maud Green did not survive the dissolution of Blackfriars in 1538.
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Engraving of the lost effigy of Sir Thomas Parr (+1517)
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