Restoration of the Monarchy in Brazil


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Thank you Cris M for all this photos and videos. (Never mind being late)
I think it is encouraging that there are discussions about the monarchy :)
I mean and this interview in t.v. too.
 
The Prince Imperial is now in Belo Horizonte, taking part of the VIII Monarchist Meeting of the State of Minas Gerais.

Yesterday, His Imperial and Royal Highness, a great-grandson of Princess Imperial Regent Isabel (1846-1921), who abolished slavery in Brazil, met with João Paulino Barbosa, whose grandparents were slaves.

Every year on May 13th (the date when, on 1888, Princess Isabel abolished slavery), Mr Barbosa puts a bouquet of red roses on Princess Isabel's tomb, at the Imperial Mausoleum of the Cathedral of São Pedro de Alcântara, in Petrópolis.

The Prince Imperial of Brazil and Mr Barbosa

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The monarchist movement is increasing tremendous, with the formation of a new Party in 2014, The PMPB, Partido Monarquista Parlamentarista Brasileiro and as we could see in the last massive protests(the biggest in the history of Brazil) against President Rouseff for her impeachment, a large number of imperial flags and monarchists spreading the cause all over the country, incluindo Dom. Antônio, the third in the sucession line explaining why the monarchy should come back...

Also, President Rouseff now admits the possibility of semi parlamentarism as a new form of government as stated in this article:
Dilma já aceita semiparlamentarismo - ÉPOCA | Expresso


Dom. Antônio explaining about the monarchy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm28qI8uTWU
 
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I hope the monarchic movement continues to increase in Brazil. And I hope that a referendum will be held in the coming months.
 
The Brazilian Senate has a portal open to citizens so that popular legislative ideas can be deposited. And if they receive support from more than 20,000 people in the given period, they are taken to the chamber for study and debate.

The proposal for a referendum to restore the Parliamentary Monarchy is already in that phase, as it is about to reach 30,000 signatures. It is now being studied by the Commission on Human Rights and Participatory Legislation.

It argues that the Brazilian presidential system is "corrupt and corrupting." And that the restoration of the monarchy would end the "bias partisan to make the decisions of State."

In this way, "impartiality" would be assured, while the functions of government "would remain in the elected representatives of the people" but with "a lower cost for the public purse."

The proposal specifies that the Emperor would have as functions "to appoint and dismiss the Prime Minister, to dissolve the Congress to convene new elections, to be the Supreme Chief of the Armed Forces, the capacity to sanction or veto laws and the calling of plebiscites or referendums."

For its part, the administrative and government functions would continue to be carried out by the Prime Minister and his cabinet.
El Senado de Brasil estudia una propuesta para restaurar la Monarquía Parlamentaria
 
Requests for restoration of monarchy hits target and will be debated in the Federal Senate


The Legislative Idea registered in the site of the Federal Senate requesting the restoration of the Monarchy as Form of Government managed to surpass the 20 thousand signatures before August 15 and today it reaches almost 30 thousand. At the time this article is written, the number is already 28,106 supporters of the proposal.

This Bulletin had already reported the initiative, taken by a set of 14 pages in defense of the monarchy on Facebook, with text signed by "Rodrigo Brasileiro-RJ" under the title "Referendum for the Restoration of the Brazilian Parliamentary Monarchy." The text needed to meet the deadline to become a proposal to be debated among the senators. Having succeeded, now the Federal Senate will have to discuss the matter.

The "Pro Monarquia" page, linked directly to the Imperial House of Brazil, celebrated the proposal and gave its support. The Imperial House also issued a statement on the contemporary Brazilian crisis, stating that Brazil has been the victim of "a project of socialist domination of the state, of destruction and debasement of institutions, of complete adulteration of the representative mechanisms of the so-called democratic regime, and Of funding for socialism in the twenty-first century throughout Latin America. " The note also says that the Imperial Family is willing to "cooperate in the search for the considered solutions that are an exit to the crisis that distresses the Brazilians".

The success of the monarchy in Brazil is reflected in other initiatives, besides the Legislative Idea and the manifestations of the members of the Imperial House. The Bulletin recently reported the foundation of the Monarchist Circle of São Luís, with the right to divulge a manifesto expressing its principles and values.
Pedido de restauração da monarquia bate meta e será debatido no Senado Federal – Boletim da Liberdade
 
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Thank you for sharing this news, Blog Real. Are there any monarchists amongst the federal senators?
 
Emperor Roku XIV said:
I'd love to see the Brazilian monarchy restored, as I would for all monarchies, but in particular, Pedro II is one of my favourite monarchs.
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I really don't believe monarchies will ever be restored anywhere, Though I would like to believe otherwise.
I know it was in Spain, and that was not so long ago, but really I think countries that have them currently will barely be able to keep them.:sad:
 
Second Empire of Brazil Anybody?

Well nobody said it'd be a quick and easy fight. All we can do at the moment is continue campaigning and spreading the cause, with hard work and maybe another decade or so I'm sure monarchists and royalists will get somewhere in Brazil. Any new opinion polls lately, I mean there has to be more Brazilian monarchists than there were in the 1993 referendum. Right?

-Frozen Royalist
 
Truth. I think there are many monarchists in Brazil and the movement is strong. I think there will be a new referendum in a few years.
 
As long as the Brazilian Imperial House itself is not united, any chance on a restoration is non-existent. The House of Brazil needs to get all noses into the same direction and assemble behind one undisputed pretender with a strong charisma and a good PR strategy.
 
Maybe the Imperial Family could be more united in a few years after Prince Bertrand of Orleans-Braganza hits the bucket, considering how controversial he is. Perhaps Prince Joao or Prince Rafael could actually be unifiers of the Imperial Family considering they're popular and a lot younger than Prince Bertrand.

-Frozen Royalist

P.S. Honestly I don't really care for Prince Bertrand anyway, he is way too conservative for Brazil IMO, also he's too old.
 
Nothing really new poll wise or well anything else really in the restoration department but it is nice that the Brazilian Monarchy along with possible restorations are still talked about in a relatively positive manner.

Here is the website where the monarchy is being discussed:
https://brazilian.report/2017/12/01/royal-affair-brazilian-style/

I honestly do think that Dom Rafael would make a good emperor, let's just hope he can actually unite the entire dynasty under his name in the future.

-Frozen Royalist

P.S. It still boggles my mind about some nations that insist on keeping the same government type no matter how many times it has failed or been flipped on its own head. I mean are people honestly satisfied in Brazil with history repeating itself over and over again with corrupt president after corrupt president with a pinch of incompetent and greedy cabinets and a dab of a chance of coup d'etat. I mean I know the restoration of the monarchy is quite the distance (thankfully Brazil isn't as bad as other former monarchies restoration wise but still), but shouldn't it be time for Brazilians to consider at least a brand new system for the nation entirely, at least establish a parliamentary democracy and introduce a prime minister/chancellor for the country and make the president a figurehead or something. I know that might not curb corruption immediately but at least it would be trying something new.
 
I suppose that instead of a corrupt president they will go to have a corrupt prime minister. Reinstating the monarchy will not miraculously solve all sorts of problems, including corruption.

What makes you think that Dom Rafael would make a good emperor?
 
The reason why I suggested Dom Rafael is because he genuinely seems very interested in the job from what I've heard and he's young. I know there is the argument that he would be inexperienced but I think being young and not too tied to vastly conservative organizations would help in the matter (I understand Brazil is a Catholic nation but they aren't really all that conservative like the kind of stuff that comes out of Dom Bertrand's mouth).

The reason why I advocate a restored Empire of Brazil isn't just because I'm a monarchist and I think there should be more parliamentary constitutional monarchies and less presidential republics but mainly because I see restoration as a step towards combating corruption. I know either having an Emperor or a president wouldn't make much of a difference like the saying "it doesn't matter whether the cat is black or white, it just needs to hunt mice" but when you look at the UK and Japan corruption is rarely an issue and they tend to have much better economies most of the time. What I'm getting at is that reform could likely come with a possible restoration with Brazilians demanding change from their politicians to cut off the rotten bits of the giant nation of South America and become more like the constitutional monarchies the monarchists wish to aspire to be like. I know it may seem illogical to some of you but my idea of the restoration is that it could lead to the people clamoring for the nation to become a powerful modern empire rather than a rapidly decaying republic.

-Frozen Royalist
 
There is corruption, nepotism, favoritism, in all monarchies. Of course corruption vastly differs from Zimbabwe to Sweden, but the difference has to do with the general welfare, with equality, with the rule of law, etc.

Proof?

The republic of Switzerland, the Federal Republic of Germany or the Finnish Republic have as little corruption as the Kingdom of Norway or the Grand-Duchy of Luxembourg.

I don't think good governance and public morale has anything to do with a the way the head of state has achieved his/her position.
 
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Frozen Royalist said:
The reason why I suggested Dom Rafael is because he genuinely seems very interested in the job from what I've heard and he's young. I know there is the argument that he would be inexperienced but I think being young and not too tied to vastly conservative organizations would help in the matter (I understand Brazil is a Catholic nation but they aren't really all that conservative like the kind of stuff that comes out of Dom Bertrand's mouth).

The reason why I advocate a restored Empire of Brazil isn't just because I'm a monarchist and I think there should be more parliamentary constitutional monarchies and less presidential republics but mainly because I see restoration as a step towards combating corruption. I know either having an Emperor or a president wouldn't make much of a difference like the saying "it doesn't matter whether the cat is black or white, it just needs to hunt mice" but when you look at the UK and Japan corruption is rarely an issue and they tend to have much better economies most of the time. What I'm getting at is that reform could likely come with a possible restoration with Brazilians demanding change from their politicians to cut off the rotten bits of the giant nation of South America and become more like the constitutional monarchies the monarchists wish to aspire to be like. I know it may seem illogical to some of you but my idea of the restoration is that it could lead to the people clamoring for the nation to become a powerful modern empire rather than a rapidly decaying republic.

-Frozen Royalist
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How much known is really HRH Prince Dom Rafael in Brazil?
 
Just out of curiosity about the 1993 referendum I've noticed that although 10.2% supported restoring the monarchy and 66.0% supporting retaining the republic, what about the other 23.8% of the votes in the referendum? What exactly was all that about?

-Frozen Royalist
 
Frozen Royalist said:
Just out of curiosity about the 1993 referendum I've noticed that although 10.2% supported restoring the monarchy and 66.0% supporting retaining the republic, what about the other 23.8% of the votes in the referendum? What exactly was all that about?

-Frozen Royalist
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Those percentages account for the entire population, not just those who voted, who were eligible to. The missing 23.8% is made up of people who either chose not to vote, or their votes were invalid so not counted.
 
Any recent polls about the support for Monarchy?
 
Blog Real said:
Prince D.Antonio of Orleans and Bragança receives honor of Portuguese monarchical entity
Príncipe D.Antonio de Orleans e Bragança recebe honraria de entidade monárquica portuguesa - Blog_Real - O Blog das Monarquias
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I understand there is an argument that the Orléans and Bragança are not Portuguese and renounced their succession rights in Portugal, but I believe that it would make more sense for Portuguese monarchists to support a double restoration of the monarchy in Portugal and Brazil, in a personal union of the crowns under an Orleáns and Bragança king, rather than supporting the Miguelist succession under D. Duarte Pio.
 
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Mbruno said:
I understand there is an argument that the Orléans and Bragança are not Portuguese and renounced their succession rights in Portugal, but I believe that it would make more sense for Portuguese monarchists to support a double restoration of the monarchy in Portugal and Brazil, in a personal union of the crowns under an Orleáns and Bragança king, rather than supporting the Miguelist succession under D. Duarte Pio.
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However, it seems extremely unlikely to me that a 'new' personal union is created if a monarchy would ever be restored (either in Portugal and/or Brazil). If a restoration would happen, two separate heads of states seem far more likely.
 
Mbruno said:
I understand there is an argument that the Orléans and Bragança are not Portuguese and renounced their succession rights in Portugal, but I believe that it would make more sense for Portuguese monarchists to support a double restoration of the monarchy in Portugal and Brazil, in a personal union of the crowns under an Orleáns and Bragança king, rather than supporting the Miguelist succession under D. Duarte Pio.
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Portugal has its own royal family. And Brazil has its Imperial House. A union of the crowns is highly impossible and, at the moment, does not make sense.
The goal was never this.
 
Might I recommend something like a Portuguese Commonwealth of sorts with a restored Empire of Brazil and Kingdom of Portugal only in this case the head of the Commonwealth would alternate between the monarch of Portugal and the monarch of Brazil instead of a dual union between the two nations. I also recommend including Angola, Mozambique and East Timor into this Commonwealth because of their association with the Portuguese Empire. Essentially this would be a Portuguese equivalent of the British Commonwealth of Nations that I have in mind and monarchies not tied with the Commonwealth Realm do exist like Malaysia, Lesotho and Swaziland. The question is who would lead the proposed commonwealth first and where would the capital/headquarters of this proposed commonwealth be?

-Frozen Royalist
 
The Princes of Orleans Braganca should not be really involved in.politivs even if some of them do not have dynastic rights.
 
Blog Real said:
Portugal has its own royal family. And Brazil has its Imperial House. A union of the crowns is highly impossible and, at the moment, does not make sense.
The goal was never this.
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Didn't the former constitution of the Kingdom of Portugal bar all of D. Miguel's descendants from ascending the throne ?

The Orléans and Bragança are the most senior descendants of D. Pedro IV (D. Pedro I of Brazil) assuming maternal lines are not excluded. They seem like better candidates to the Portuguese throne than the Miguelist pretender. Besides, a personal union between the crowns of Brazil and Portugal would significantly raise the international visibility of the Portuguese monarchy in a post-restoration scenario.
 
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