Prinsjesdag 2003-2012

[Marengo]

The leader of the extreme right/fascist party, Geert Wilders, was the one who proposed in parlament who suggested in the 2nd chamber that the royals would have to cut back 20%. He was supported by the socialist party, the greens, Rita Verdonk and the party for the animals (sigh!). Femke Halsema, leader of the green party, also wants the RF to pay tax over their income and inhertitances (which is not unreasonable IMHO).

 

[susan alicia]

AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN "party for the animals (sigh!)"!!!!!
Guess who is a member of it..

anyway, I thought it was a unclear whether the Royals pay incometax and now I read that they do not. It would be better PR, better anything if they had accepted to live a bit less extravagant. They sound like a well run company, if your profits are the same as last year you have an essential loss...

The leader of the extreme right/fascist party, Geert Wilders, was the one who proposed in parlament who suggested in the 2nd chamber that the royals would have to cut back 20%. He was supported by the socialist party, the greens, Rita Verdonk and the party for the animals (sigh!). Femke Halsema, leader of the green party, also wants the RF to pay tax over their income and inhertitances (which is not unreasonable IMHO).

 

[auntie]

Maxima's dress wasn't to my taste at all, it also accentuated her hips, she usually looks so slim and trim, yet here she looked somewhat broad. Her makeup and hair were to perfection.

 

[Jacknch]

What a splendid and colourful day in The Hague!

 

[lucien]

What a splendid and colourful day in The Hague!

Say that again Jack!...

Here's how our national embarrasment discussed some issues,but all were
put down/ignored by the PM:

Dutch royals attacked by parliament

Why subsidize the royal hunt? Why pay for maintenance of the royal yacht? Isn't it right to cut the royal income? And shouldn't Prince Willem-Alexander abandon his plans for a holiday home in Mozambique? Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende was bombarded with questions and suggestions on Wednesday and Thursday as parliament discussed the government's budget proposals for 2010.

Read the entire article here:

News Summary Royalblog.nl: Dutch royals attacked by parliament

Now the MP's will have to endure a %20 cut,out of solidariry....

Her Majesty returning home from Noordeinde Palace after "Prinsjesdag" events:
http://gpdhome.typepad.com/photos/prinsjesdag/prinsjesdag_2009_2.html

 

[JessRulz]

Here is another picture gallery, from the Examiner, which shows the royal carriage in picture two:
Examiner Slideshows

 

[Marengo]

AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN "party for the animals (sigh!)"!!!!!
Guess who is a member of it..

Oh dear.... well, at least it isnt Verdonk or the PVV (who deserve other terms than just a sigh ).

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Apparently the PM did not want to discuss cutting in the costs of the monarchy because it would not be 'fair', considering the new financial statute for the royal house was just implemented this year. He also stated that the salaries of the queen, prince of Orange and princess Máxima will rise with the same % as ALL the salaries of the state. So if they decide to freeze the salaries of all employees, the salaries of the royals will also be frozen.

 

[Maura724]

Wait, is there something in the Netherlands that's actually called the "party for the animals," or has it just earned that nickname because it' s particularly concerned with animal welfare, endangered species, etc.?

 

[lucien]

Wait, is there something in the Netherlands that's actually called the "party for the animals," or has it just earned that nickname because it' s particularly concerned with animal welfare, endangered species, etc.?

No,it is actually named like that,but it is O/T here.Thank goodness....

 

[susan alicia]

yes, there is a party that is particularly concerned with animal welfare (and I am a member) they were one of the parties engaged in the discussion of the budget that the hunting done by the dutch royal family is subsidised with (can not remember) quite a lot of money.

Wait, is there something in the Netherlands that's actually called the "party for the animals," or has it just earned that nickname because it' s particularly concerned with animal welfare, endangered species, etc.?

 

[marmi]

Could we please try to stay a little closer to the threads topic, and carry out any further discussion about Dutch political parties via PM?!

Thanks,

marmi
Dutch forum moderator

 

[bartholomeus]

I have no idea if I am posting this in the right thread... but someone can put it in the right place if I’m wrong for sure.

Did other people here saw HRH Princess Margriet running (or perhaps tripping for an instant and then forced to practicly run) towards HM the Queen, who was already waving to the people assembled before the gates of the Noordeinde Palace, during the closing balcony scene after the opening of parliament, a.k.a 'Prinsjesdag'?? She seemed to make fun out of it.. almost jumping as a small child once she had reached the Queen..

Before the sprint of the princess started the Queen was actually looking back over her shoulder to the Princess and her husband, sort of asking them to appear on the balcony, I think HM does it like that all the time, but the moment seemed to last a bit longer than normal, as if something strange was happening..

(There were some other strange things happening this 'Prinsjesdag' but this is not the place for that i guess...)

Maybe Margriet is enjoying a second youth???

 

[Maura724]

You can see that on some of the Prinsjesdag youtube videos - about 7:06 on this one here: YouTube - Prinsjesdag deel 2 in HD met balkonscène

It's very cute; she looks delighted with the whole occasion. I think what happens is the Queen looks back once, and then looks back again, as though to imply that the little sister's lagging behind, not moving fast enough, or something, and then Margriet sort of bounces out there, all smiles.

 

[bartholomeus]

Yes its really very cute

I think i saw a close up of the balcony when this happened during the live broadcasting... not this shot from far away.. you could see it more clear.. although this video is also very funny

 

[sophie25]

What orders are the Royal Family wearing and why is Princess Laurentien's different to the rest?

 

[lucien]

What orders are the Royal Family wearing and why is Princess Laurentien's different to the rest?

HM and TRH the PoO and Princess Máxima wear the Order of the Lion of The Netherlands,the Order was automatically bestowed on the Heir,and on his spouse.Princess Laurentien is wearing the Order of Orange Nassau.

She ,like Pieter van Vollenhoven had to,will have to accomplish quiet a deal and render her services to the House before she will be bestowed with the highest Order.Pieter had to wait untill a few years ago before he was bestowed with the Order of the Lion of The Netherlands.And it came as a huge surprise to him when it did,an acknowledgement for what he stands for and what he has done over the decades.

So,in short,all children of the Monarch,(and the spouse of the Heir),are automatically bestowed with the Order of the Lion once they turn 18,
all others have to work for it and have to fancy the House Order till then.

http://www.koninklijkhuis.nl/english/content.jsp?objectid=13330

 

[sophie25]

Does Princess Maxima hold the Order of Orange-Nassau as well?

 

[QUEENECE29]

Crown Princess Maxima's costume, color and hair style elegance

 

[Marengo]

Parliament is debating the costs of the monarchy again today. The Socialist Party will ask if the royal family can't pay for their own private trips and stop using the government airplane for them.

The prime minister will 'defend' the budget of the RF today.

 

[Marengo]

28 questions from members of parlament, awnsered by the prime minister (In Dutch):

http://parlis.nl/pdf/kamerstukken/KST135242.pdf

Courtesy: Joris at the BRMB.

 

[susan alicia]

We zijn Willem-Alexander zat - HP/De Tijd

The picture on the cover of the HP with the title "we are fed up with Willem Alexander":

Picture

 

[lucien]

Absolutely infantile statement by HP/De Tijd!

"We are sick and tired of the Crownprince",they should be slapped silly,
but moreover all the buzz is due to a incompetent mannenbroeder PM J-P Balkenende.

If he does what he has to do at the Palace he,and his fellow misfits,wouldn't have to hide behind the skirts of the Orange Nassau Family to cover up for their mistakes while blaming the Royal Family of alleged mischief.The bloody nonsense.Time and time again this government proves to be hugely incompetent .

If the press doesn't get their facts straight,one or two of 'm, might be dragged to Court for a trial that will only bring out that that Zeeuws babbelaartje of a PM is absolutely worthless in his handling of the Royal House.Infuriating little s***nose!He should be forced to step down.

 

[Maura724]

Why are they angry with WA?

 

[antonieta]

Why are they angry with WA?

I was wondering myself the same: Why are they angry with WA?
Does he have problems with dutch press?

 

[Zonk]

I am sure Lucien or Susan Alicia (or other Dutch posters) will share the information.

But I am going to go out on a limb and say that AP lawsuit didn't win him any fans.

 

[lucien]

Because the PM and his infantile croonies in the government didn't/don't ever take responsibility for what is their job towards the RF,let alone us,and now blame the whole hullabaloo as being due to the spoiled Oranges while he himself,and his lot,failed in standing for the responsibility they have towards the Monarch and his/her family per our Constitution.

He handled every single occasion in which there was criticism towards the RF wrong,totally wrong.His croonies,read fellow government members,blame the Prince for all the uproar the house in Mozambique causes and a few other things.All could have been prevented had the PM set his foot right when he had too instead of being such a ,what's the translation for onderkruipsel,incompetent overzealous in all the wrong matters,this national embarrassment of a creature.

Not the Prince or the RF,the PM is to fully blame for all the upheavel.

 

[Marengo]

I am sorry but HP/De Tijd isn;'t the only one who feels that way: 37% of the country lost sympathy for the royal family.

Article in Dutch

Why is the criticism to the RF wrong? It is within the powers of the royal family to stop the project in mozambique, to start paying for their private holidays, to offer to pay the renovation costs of HM,'s boat themselves! it would save a lot of embarrassement if they did those things without waiting until the rpime minister tells them to do so.

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An interesting start of the article in HP/De Tijd btw: 'You must have a fantastic life, for which you don't have to do anything special. But that face: angry, always angry. But angry at who, for heaven's sake? And why?'

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I must say it is quite an accomplishment to ruin your carefully build up reputation so quickly. Half a year ago it was better then ever, and now.... On the bright side: after this I would be very surprised if queen Beatrix would abdicate any time soon.

As I said in other posts, ít is too easy to blame everything on the PM. The prince is not a schoolchild, he has a brain, eyes and ears... he sees what is going on and is free to stop the project. But he doesn't. of course the PM should do it for him, but that doesn't mean the prince can't take responsibility himself.

It didn't, it showed him as a whining person, anry and out of touch with reality (while we are in the midst of an ecomic crisis the prince is on his xxth holiday and nagging about photographers, was the image). Still, the financial issues (air travel costs, costs of the Groene Draeck, the house in Mozambique and the trusts of members of the RF) are much more damaging for the public image of the RF.

 

[Marengo]

Apparently the Labour Party, the Socialist Party and the PVV (fascist party) urge the government to cut back on the budget of the RF. Interestingly enough Labour is in government at the moment.

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Other parties are worried about the image of the RF and how to restaure it (something the court seems totally ignorant about). The Liberal party spoke about blunders (by the PM?) and said that the prime minister wasn't always informed correctly by members of the royal house. The socialist party wants the prime minister to play a firmer role.

During the debate the SP started about a 'Swedish model' for the dutch monarchy (HM is not a member of the government), which the government parties did not want to discuss. Around 10 years ago there was an extensive debate about this in the press and parliament about the matter, fueled by the Social-Liberals (D66).

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And a clip in Dutch, about the fact that the irritation with the crown prince is growing among members of the government:
http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieu...and/1007_1930_ergernis_kabinet_kroonprins.xml

 

[ahtikavalentine]

What is the 'Swedish mode'?

 

[Saragli]

There seems to be some major communication problems between the Court, the PM, and Parliament. I agree with Marengo, the PoO is a grown and intelligent man. He should know when to stop and what is appropriate. The PM has far more pressing matters, such as the economy and so on, then to breathe down the royal familys back. They really need to sort this out soon, I quite like the Dutch system of monarchy and think it would be a shame to go to the Swedish Model. Plus, doesnt the DutchRF have a considerable private fortune? They shouldnt have the goverment pay for their personal trips and such.

The Swedish Model, Im assuming, means that the Monarch has no interaction with Parliament or the PM at all. In Britian, Holland, and etc, the Monarch meets with the PM reguarly, reads the Speech from the Throne, Signs all bills into law, and etc. Sweden doesnt do any of that.