Princess Letizia's Family, News Part 3: September 2007 - February 2008


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lula said:
I repeat what I have said to Duke, not wherefrom he has extracted this history, but Erika has had no work or nothing seemed as assistant of her sister. She had her own work. Another thing is that how her sister she was helping in what was, but not differently at all to what they do anyone with her brother or her sister.
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As I share totally your point of vew, my question in fact was very precise because as I don't see in which Erika could have helped as assistant her sister, I should to know how and in which precise field she had done anything.

As also I'm interesting to Letizia since her engagement with Felipe, I don't remember any fact of this help. it's the reason why I'm asking to D of M what she knows about that, because as we can remark some time approximation are done whithout to check if it's true or not.:shifty::deadhorse:
 
adelaide said:
I don't know that Erika has helped Letizia at the begining of her new life after her engagement.
Please for my own curiosity in which field and for what Erika had been an assitant for Letizia? Interesting to know?
For the flat every body knows that since the begining, this fact dosen't seem to me a " passe droit", anybody - or quiet - will do the same thing, Regal or not, isen't it?
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I read that Erika did stuff for her during the engagement time - maybe helped her getting her things sorted.

Again, I did not critizise it. I just stated that events like these, eg living in the flat of her sister, working at a company where Felipe knew the right guys etc will alert the press and everybody knew at that time that Erika was a bit struggling to make her own living, so she was an easy target for the press.
 
I believe that the people speculate very much on desire to create polemics, and actually they trump a lot of information.

It is more I have remembered where this hypothesis appeared and why. One of the associates of Globomedia Emilio Aragon, is a very famous personage, and he was in the wedding of the Princes, but the certain thing is that never there has been a news on which they were very good friends, acquaintances yes, but nothing more. It is more, I don´t know if the guest was he, or was his wife belonging to an important family of ophthalmologists of Asturias that has attended several members of the Royal Family (this information is not known for many people).

Another information not known for many people, is that a young actor who goes several years being employed at one of the more famous of Globomedia's serie of television is a relative of the Princess.

Erika Ortiz on having started being employed at Globomedia, passed to have a more discreet work, but also of lower category. Nobody stands out realizing sets for television, and I do not believe that she had a great salary.
Her arrival to Globomedia, it coincided with a moment with that the producer was throwing a new channel of television, and contracted many people. The associates of this channel of television are near to the socialist goverment .... and I will say to you that it does not stand out precisely for being "very monarchic":rolleyes:.
 
Duke of Marmalade said:
I read that Erika did stuff for her during the engagement time - maybe helped her getting her things sorted.
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I have to say to you something that you have to know vey well whatever your profession, your level studies, the field in wich you are working, when you say to justify an idea or worst an affirmation that yo have " read" something, you can't go on in your explanation whithout to give your sources and the precise references. If you don't do like that it's totally irrevelant:graduate:


Everyboy can say " I read that something is happened, or that the Queen EII is the assistant of Tony Blair or Wiston Churchill was the secret secretary of Nehru and other stupidities" if you don't say in wich book or newspapers you have read that your observation is absolutly whithout any value.

For example when you make a University thesis you have to work on documents of " premières mains" to have a good graduation and you are obliged to give all your sources, it's question of intellectual honesty:graduate::chef::napoleon:
 
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Duke of Marmalade said:
Especially in the beginning I thought that Antonio and Erika enjoyed the attention and gave the press something to talk about as both tried to gain some advantage in their professional careers - Antonio as a sculptor and Erika - who struggled anyway - having to rely on her relations to her sister of brother in law to get a job (first as Letizia's assistant, later Felipe helped to get her a job at Globo Media).

Best thing is keep a very low profile and do your own thing - but I agree that is easier said than done.
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Erika was never Letizia's assistant. Paloma and Telma were helping Letizia packing, not Erika. Erika worked for an Italian Arts Dealer at the time of engagement, there is no proof that she got this job through Felipe's connection and she didn't need promotion herself either. I think Hola interview was more of Antonio Vigor's idea, since he mentioned that 'artists need promotion' (don't remember exactly his words). Afterwards, they got lots of criticism in the media. If this had happened to other CPsses' siblings, most people would not care, but Spain is different.
 
adelaide said:
I read that Erika did stuff for her during the engagement time - maybe helped her getting her things sorted.

I have to say to you something that you have to know vey well whatever your profession, your level studies, the field in wich you are working, when you say to justify an idea or worst an affirmation that yo have " read" something, you can't go on in your explanation whithout to give your sources and the precise references. If you don't do like that it's totally irrevelant:graduate:


Everyboy can say " I read that something is happened, or that the Queen EII is the assistant of Tony Blair or Wiston Churchill was the secret secretary of Nehru and other stupidities" if you don't say in wich book or newspapers you have read that your observation is absolutly whithout any value.

For example when you make a University thesis you have to work on documents of " premières mains" to have a good graduation and you are obliged to give all your sources, it's question of intellectual honesty:graduate::chef::napoleon:
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Oh, please give me a break adelaide. This is a forum where people share thoughts and information about royals but not write a dissertation. Even if there is a precise source there is always the question of credibility.

In this case, I did not spread a nasty rumour or critizised Letizia's family and I did not say that the media's behaviour was right. So if it is not true that Erika helped Letizia with certain things, fine, I accept that and apologize - but this doesn't change the message I wanted to bring across. It was just one of many examples for how the media will jump on people like Erika who are not as independent as Telma or have some breaks in their CV. The media does not care if things are correct or not, we read false information every day and have no chance to find out if a certain story is true or not. I don't say it's good but it's the sad reality.
 
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adelaide said:
Oh, please give me a break adelaide. This is a forum where people share thoughts and information about royals but not write a dissertation. Even if there is a precise source there is always the question of credibility.

In this case, I did not spread a nasty rumour or critizised Letizia's family and I did not say that the media's behaviour was right. So if it is not true that Erika helped Letizia with certain things, fine, I accept that and apologize - but this doesn't change the message I wanted to bring across. It was just one of many examples for how the media will jump on people like Erika who are not as independent as Telma or have some breaks in their CV. The media does not care if things are correct or not, we read false information every day and have no chance to find out if a certain story is true or not. I don't say it's good but it's the sad reality.
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A last word of your tormentor: I can''t beleive that people with an average
comprehension are taking as true all that they read in a certain press which is famous for its lies or specious informations ( when I say informations I'm too kind, in fact it's only hotchpotch very near of the garbage bags. Somtimes, I'm totally :dizzy: when I'm reading the results of the journalists's imagination about some facts very well know. But as you say it's sad but it's the life, isen't it?:p:winkiss::pigsfly::cheers:
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Duke of Marmalade said:
A last word of your tormentor: I can''t beleive that people with an average
comprehension are taking as true all that they read in a certain press which is famous for its lies or specious informations ( when I say informations I'm too kind, in fact it's only hotchpotch very near of the garbage bags. Somtimes, I'm totally :dizzy: when I'm reading the results of the journalists's imagination about some facts very well know. But as you say it's sad but it's the life, isen't it?:p:winkiss::pigsfly::cheers:
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I get your point adelaide but for me the problem is what media can I trust these days? I am not talking about silly stories like Letizia expeting twins or Leonor's deseases. Even the more serious press picks up on rumours these days, probably to make money, attract new readers etc so even if a so called serious source is behind an article there is no guarantee that the content is true. Information has become manipulative and is used for own purposes by everybody who issues - be it the yellow press, the more or less serious media or even the communication staff at Zarzuela.

So it's difficult to base information on facts, let alone on this forum, it would be closed immediately if only credible sources (defined by the moderators?) were allowed ;)
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Henar Ortiz is a golddiger whom nobody knew of professionally before her niece's marriage, she was "so talented" that was killing flies in front of the kiosk untill 2004, now she has a boutique, she wears designer clothes and have gone trought the mother of all makeovers.

Not to mention her interviews, the fact she called herself a principessa on Italy and if anything never took the time to rectified it, belong to Lions Clubs, goes to the Prince of Asturias Prizes, etc etc etc and now her great great grandpa was an English Dandy LOL, she's omnipresent, some people will justified everything when it comes to Letizia or her family, if she weren't Letizia's aunt will she ever being on Elle magazine? Allow me to ROLFMAO.:ROFLMAO:

Engagement's days, she's the third from left to right just in case Click on the picture to enlarge it.

Source Farabola.
 
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RaniaRocks said:
Henar Ortiz is a golddiger whom nobody knew professionally before her niece's marriage, she was "so talented" that was killing flies in front of the kiosk untill 2004, now she has a boutique, she wears designer clothes and have gone trought the mother of all makeovers.

Not to mention her interviews, the fact she called herself a principessa and similar stuff, some people will justified everything when it comes to Letizia or her family, if she weren't Letizia's aunt will she ever being on Elle magazine? Allow me to ROLFMAO.:ROFLMAO:
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For the princess title as you know it's not her but the fear of Firenze 's administration which did it. We have to mention that if we want to have an intellectual honesty landscape.

For the talent of Henar Ortiz it looks effectivily that we can have a some doubts but what's the matter? It's not a criminal action and even if this woman is using more or less the fact that she is the Princess's aunt to improve her "little trading", really what's the matter?

As I said yet she isn't the most sympthetics relatives of the Princess of Asturias for not very founded reasons, it's not for that that we have to be after her and stigmatise her lack of genious. It's absolutly obvious that if henar Ortiz would have talent it would be knowed, but who knows it exists also unknowned artist....:D:star:;)
 
Upon reading through this thread, I have been shocked to learn how relatives capitlize on their royal connections. :eek: This has hardened my opinion that the Royal Houses should avoid diluting the blue blood.
 
Al_bina said:
Upon reading through this thread, I have been shocked to learn how relatives capitlize on their royal connections. :eek: This has hardened my opinion that the Royal Houses should avoid diluting the blue blood.
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Everywhere, everyday, people capitalize on the connections. The royals also help each other, ex. Juan Carlos had helped Sofia's sister Irene getting jobs at the Red Cross and MSF, the Greek family had spent many summers in Mallorca before they were allowed to go back to Greece.
Too bad, Leonor's blood is not blue anymore as her father's, her blood must be purple (blue + red) :lol:.
 
donnaK said:
Everywhere, everyday, people capitalize on the connections. The royals also help each other, ex. Juan Carlos had helped Sofia's sister Irene getting jobs at the Red Cross and MSF, the Greek family had spent many summers in Mallorca before they were allowed to go back to Greece.
Too bad, Leonor's blood is not blue anymore as her father's, her blood must be purple (blue + red) :lol:.
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And she lives in Zarzuela Palace and spends vacation with the SRF.
 
donnaK said:
Everywhere, everyday, people capitalize on the connections. The royals also help each other, ex. Juan Carlos had helped Sofia's sister Irene getting jobs at the Red Cross and MSF, the Greek family had spent many summers in Mallorca before they were allowed to go back to Greece.
Too bad, Leonor's blood is not blue anymore as her father's, her blood must be purple (blue + red) :lol:.[/quot

You are absolutely right that people (including less lucky royals) tend to capitalize on their connections, but there are discreet ways of doing so. Relatives should not parade these connections and cause embarrassment, unpleasant remarks, and criticism for the person in question.
As for Princess Leonor’s blood, I presume that you are right once again… :flowers:
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Al_bina said:
You are absolutely right that people (including less lucky royals) tend to capitalize on their connections, but there are discreet ways of doing so. Relatives should not parade these connections and cause embarrassment, unpleasant remarks, and criticism for the person in question.
As for Princess Leonor’s blood, I presume that you are right once again… :flowers:
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How do you draw the line on relatives parading the connections except for the very obvious MM's father ? Sofia's sister Irene sat at the theater box at Athen's Olympics opening ceremony where the Greek royals were not allowed, do you think she was parading her sister's connection ?
It really depends on how the media perceive the relatives capitalizing the connections. If they kept silent or with no interest, then there wouldn't be embarrassment, unpleasant remarks or criticism. Of course, the media has been more harsh towards certain royals' relatives than the others' :eek:.
 
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donnaK said:
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How do you draw the line on relatives parading the connections except for the very obvious MM's father ? Sofia's sister Irene sat at the theater box at Athen's Olympics opening ceremony where the Greek royals were not allowed, do you think she was parading her sister's connection ?
It really depends on how the media perceive the relatives capitalizing the connections. If they kept silent or with no interest, then there wouldn't be embarrassment, unpleasant remarks or criticism. Of course, the media has been more harsh towards certain royals' relatives than the others' :eek:.
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What would you say about Henar Ortiz? It would be fair to observe that she parades her royal connections and enjoys it.
 
Al_bina said:
What would you say about Henar Ortiz? It would be fair to observe that she parades her royal connections and enjoys it.
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She didn't mention her niece in the interview. She is a designer now hired by an Italian clothes company, interviewed by a fashion magazine, quite normal. I never said she didn't take advantage of the connection, I was simply telling you that it was wrong to say that only commoners' relatives took advantage of the connection, the born royals and their relatives also did.
 
donnaK said:
She didn't mention her niece in the interview. She is a designer now hired by an Italian clothes company, interviewed by a fashion magazine, quite normal. I never said she didn't take advantage of the connection, I was simply telling you that it was wrong to say that only commoners' relatives took advantage of the connection, the born royals and their relatives also did.
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May be, Henar Ortiz is a talented fashion designer. Under the circumstances, it would be appropriate to say that the royal connections have been duly considered by an Italian clothes company and, thus, provide a launching pad for her career.
 
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Al_bina said:
May be, Henar Ortiz is a talented fashion designer. Under the circumstances, it would be appropriate to say that the royal connections have been duly considered by an Italian clothes company and, thus, provide a launching pad for her career.
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Regardless how she got the job, she will definitely need talents to survive in the very competitive fashion industry. People won't buy her clothes or assessories because she is Letizia's aunt.
 
donnaK said:
She didn't mention her niece in the interview. She is a designer now hired by an Italian clothes company, interviewed by a fashion magazine, quite normal. I never said she didn't take advantage of the connection, I was simply telling you that it was wrong to say that only commoners' relatives took advantage of the connection, the born royals and their relatives also did.
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As far as I know, Henar Ortiz hasn't been hired by any Italian clothes company. She just has her clothes "Henar Ortiz" produced in Italy.
 
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donnaK said:
Regardless how she got the job, she will definitely need talents to survive in the very competitive fashion industry. People won't buy her clothes or assessories because she is Letizia's aunt.
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In any case, the royal connections has considerably assisted her in attracting atttention to her talent and getting contracts. By the way, has she taken any steps to promote herself prior to the marriage of her aunt?
 
donnaK said:
She didn't mention her niece in the interview. She is a designer now hired by an Italian clothes company, interviewed by a fashion magazine, quite normal. I never said she didn't take advantage of the connection, I was simply telling you that it was wrong to say that only commoners' relatives took advantage of the connection, the born royals and their relatives also did.
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I Think that too ... :)
 
crisiñaki said:
like one would say in Spain: "piojo resucitado" :cool: (namely, those who were poor and now have money and believe they are the center of the world:rolleyes:)
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This is a bit harsh. Henar does look better now, good for her. Where is the indication that she believes she is the center of the world ? She is a designer now, so promotion in a fashion magazine is part of the job description, she didn't do anything different from other designers.
 
Why "princess" Henar was wearing an evening dress?
Black dress, black thick stockings, black shoes and then ugly bronze pursue.
Unelegant way of walking, as I can see from Hola pic.
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Maybe it is just my wrong impression!!
Anyways if she is a stylist, she should work harder on her personal outfits.
Letizia's grandmother looks nice. Modest but nice!
 
crisiñaki said:
like one would say in Spain: "piojo resucitado" :cool: (namely, those who were poor and now have money and believe they are the center of the world:rolleyes:)
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donnaK said:
This is a bit harsh. Henar does look better now, good for her. Where is the indication that she believes she is the center of the world ? She is a designer now, so promotion in a fashion magazine is part of the job description, she didn't do anything different from other designers.
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A BIT harsh? That is VERY VERY offensive. It is okay to deslike someone but offend and trash people like that.. says a lot of what kind of person you are, it is a shame people express themselves like this.

Like you said donnaK, she's a designer and looks better now.. and for that she believes she's the center of the world?.
 
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