Princely and Noble Families of Hungary and Bohemia

[HR Isogecnáltrebör]

Who, what, when?

As Hungary no longer (officially) have a raigning royal family, how are they organised or recognised? As there is no authoirty to say, who is a prince, princess, etc. How do they proove they're actually royal?

Do the Hungary's government recognise them in any capacity, either formally or informally? Are they given any priviligaes? Police escorts, Diplomatic immunity, diplomatic passports, etc?

Do any forigen govenments recognise them either formally or informally?

I have been trying to fined this out for years!!!

Isogecnáltrebör

 

[HR Isogecnáltrebör]

Do's hungary have?

A Royalists party /monarchist group . I know of the Black & Yellow Alliance, but is there such a party in Hungary for Hungarians .

HH Robert L. von Isogecnáltrebör III

 

[katie-h]

Dear Isogecnáltrebör!

I can answer your questions, because I'am Hungarian.
Since 1921 we haven't got royal family. Our last king was Charles IV. (in Austria: Emperor Charles I.) from the Habsburg dynasty, so the heir of the Hungarian throne would be his son, Otto Habsburg, but he renounced all claims to the Austrian and Hungarian throne in 1961.
He is well-known in my country and everybody respect him (he don't have to prove that he is a royal, everybody knows it).
After the Hungarian Transition in 1989, Hungarian politicians wanted to elect him as president of the Hungarian Republic, but he refused it.
His second son, George and his family still live in Hungary, in Sóskút near Budapest.
You can read about him here: Otto von Habsburg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[NotAPretender]

I'm going to be delving into the Hungarian side of my family in 2009 and will post anything related to the Princely and Noble Families of Hungary here if it is of interest. While I highly doubt I am related to any such families, I do know that my family there had a certain amount of wealth, being the owners of numerous rope factories in the southeast plains.

None are left there, however; the only branches of my family to survive the second world war were those that had emigrated to the US, between 1879 and 1914. The family that remained were wiped out in 1945, it is believed by the White Arrow.

We've traced another branch of my family to Lincolnshire in the UK, to the 1720's. I can't imagine a need to go back further than that.

 

[MAfan]

Ledebur-Wicheln Family

I'm interested in finding informations about the Comital Family von Ledebur-Wicheln.
I know that in the last century several members of this family married into the highest german-austrian Nobility: the three sisters Henriette, Karoline and Marie were married respectively to Count Ferdinand Kinsky von Wchnitz und Tettau (and were the parents of Princess Marie Aglae v.u.z. Liechtenstein), to Prince Johannes v.u.z. Liechtenstein and to Count Joseph Hubert von Neipperg; Count Mario married Princess Maria Valerie von Altenburg (daughter of the former Archduke Clemens Salvator of Austria-Tuscany, himself the son of Archdukes Franz Salvator and Marie Valerie), and Count Bernhard married Sophie von Waldstein-Wartenberg (a doughter of Archduchess Josepha of Austria-Tuscany, a cousin of Marie Valerie).
Does someone know where can I find a genealogy of this family?

 

[amedea]

a good source is thepeerage.com as well as geneall.com

 

[MAfan]

I've found an article in German about Fürstin Melinda Esterhazy, who turns 90 today.
Can anyone enlighten me on the containts of this article?

 

[Warren]

Personal posts have been moved to the Help with Family Histories thread in Members' Corner.

 

[MAfan]

Esterházy

HSH Fürstin Melinda Esterházy de Galántha, née Ottrubay, passed away in Eisenstadt (Austria) on 28 August 2014, aged 94.
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Melinda Ottrubay was born in Budapest on 24 May 1920, by Dezso Ottrubay and his wife, née Rosa von Schmidt. A talented ballet dancer, aged 24 she became the Prima Ballerina Assoluta of the Opera Teather in Budapest.

Two years later, in 1946, she married to Fürst Paul V Esterházy de Galántha (1901-1989), the head of one of the most illustrious Hungarian noble houses.

After the end of World War II, the new Hungarian communist government confiscated most of the family lands and Prince Paul was sentenced to solitary confinement for 15 years. He was freed in 1956 and left Hungary for Switzerland with his wife Melinda.

The couple settled in Zurich, from where they managed the remains of the family fortune (mainly located in Austria). The Prince died there in 1989.

Since he didn't left children, his heir was his widow Melinda. Fürstin Melinda has since then created several foundations, with the aim of preserving the cultural heritage of the House of Esterházy, and opened as museums many of the family residences.

Fürstin Melinda Esterházy verstirbt Mittwochnacht im Kreis ihrer Familie ‹ Esterházy.at

Schloss Eisenstadt (or Esterházy), Eisenstadt, Austria
In the Esterházy family since 1622
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[Duc_et_Pair]

What a remarkable story and what an eventful life. The House Esterházy was lucky to have had a Fürstin with so much dedication, zest, commitment and loyalty. Rest in Peace, Fürstin Melinda Esterházy von Galantha.

 

[Stefan]

What a remarkable story and what an eventful life. The House Esterházy was lucky to have had a Fürstin with so much dedication, zest, commitment and loyalty. Rest in Peace, Fürstin Melinda Esterházy von Galantha.

Don't know if they where so lucky as she made her nephew Stefan Ottrubay President of the foundation. There are several differences and Fürst Paul was recently at court with the head of the foundation. For example since 2007 the Family does not get any benefits anymore from the Foundation and has the lost the right to control the foundation. In 2009 also the Apanage was stopped.
Paul Anton Esterházy kämpft um Einblick in Stiftung - Finanz-News - derStandard.at › Wirtschaft

 

[MAfan]

The funeral of Fürstin Melinda Esterhazy was celebrated in Eisenstadt on Friday 12 September 2014. The funeral Mass was celebrated by Ägidius Zsifkovics, the Bishop of Eisenstadt.
The remains of the Princess has been buried in the Esterhazy family vault, in the Franciscan Church of Eisenstadt.

Zsifkovics bei Esterházy-Begräbnis: "Dank der Kirche" - Nachrichten

 

[CyrilVladisla]

The first Hungary entail was set up by the Palffy family in 1653.
The Palffy family is of Hungarian nobility dating back to the 14th century.
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[CyrilVladisla]

Elizabeth (Erzsebet) Bathory (1561-1614) belonged to a rich family in sixteenth-century Hungary.
She married Count Ferenc Nadasdy.
Ferenc adopted the Bathory surname as his own, rather than Elizabeth adopting his.
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[casualfan]

Elizabeth (Erzsebet) Bathory (1561-1614) belonged to a rich family in sixteenth-century Hungary.
She married Count Ferenc Nadasdy.
Ferenc adopted the Bathory surname as his own, rather than Elizabeth adopting his.
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And was probably a monstrous serial killer.

 

[CyrilVladisla]

Count Istvan Szechenyi de Sarvar-Felsovidek (1791-1860) in 1825 donated the full annual income of his estates of 60,000 florins to the Hungarian Academy of Science.

 

[CyrilVladisla]

The Banffys
When I saw how the castle had burned, it was extremely sad. No one should have to endure a fire.

 

[CyrilVladisla]

Was Countess Elizabeth Bathory innocent?

 

[eya]

"Prince Paul-Anton Esterházy got married to Franzisca "Sissy" von Reutter this weekend."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1553811768954310663

 

[SirGyamfi1]

"Prince Paul-Anton Esterházy got married to Franzisca "Sissy" von Reutter this weekend."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1553811768954310663

I was coming to mention this too. Congratulations to the lucky couple. Unfortunately Paul Antal is the last of the Esterhazy Princes, but hopefully the line will continue.

What a remarkable story and what an eventful life. The House Esterházy was lucky to have had a Fürstin with so much dedication, zest, commitment and loyalty. Rest in Peace, Fürstin Melinda Esterházy von Galantha.

Melinda left everything to her nephew who is not a member of the family and pushed out the Esterhazys out of the foundation. I think he was the one who gave her the idea of the foundations and the “next natural heir” of the family, Paul Anton, the future Fürst is heir to nothing. All of the estates in Hungary were confiscated, and the remainder of the German and Austrian properties are in the foundation which they have no access to.

Don't know if they where so lucky as she made her nephew Stefan Ottrubay President of the foundation. There are several dioffferences and Fürst Paul was recently at court with the hwead of the foundation. For example since 2007 the Family does not get any benefits anymore from the Foundation and has the lost the right to control the foundation. In 2009 also the Apanage was stopped.
Paul Anton Esterházy kämpft um Einblick in Stiftung - Finanz-News - derStandard.at › Wirtschaft

He even did not allow Paul-Anton to visit her and threatened the police on him if he visited Melinda when she was living.

 

[Stefan]

Melinda left everything to her nephew who is not a member of the family and pushed out the Esterhazys out of the foundation. I think he was the one who gave her the idea of the foundations and the “next natural heir” of the family, Paul Anton, the future Fürst is heir to nothing. All of the estates in Hungary were confiscated, and the remainder of the German and Austrian properties are in the foundation which they have no access to.


He even did not allow Paul-Anton to visit her and threatened the police on him if he visited Melinda when she was living.

Actually the floundations where etablished before Stefan Ottrubay appeared on the scene. But after he became General Director of the Esterhay foundations changes in the foundation were made so that the Esterhay Family members do not get anything from the foundations and also don't have seats in the boards and influeence.
See here on the famiyl Website: http://esterhazy.net/fragen_und_antworten/stiftungen/

 

[SirGyamfi1]

Actually the floundations where etablished before Stefan Ottrubay appeared on the scene. But after he became General Director of the Esterhay foundations changes in the foundation were made so that the Esterhay Family members do not get anything from the foundations and also don't have seats in the boards and influeence.
See here on the famiyl Website: Esterházy Stiftungen - jetzt spricht die Familie

Either way, the “real Esterhazys” won’t be beneficiaries of the foundations and the court ruled in Stefan Ottrubays favor unfortunately and they won’t be getting their Hungarian estates either.

 

[SirGyamfi1]

I’ve just read somewhere that Paul-Anton Esterhazy’s family have an estate, but only one and its in Eisenstad or is somewhere in Germany, either way they only have one estate. He also has a perfume line called Estoras and it is sort of in memory to his late grandfather who he never met.

 

[CyrilVladisla]

The House of Zierotin was a Czech noble family in the Lands of the Bohemian Crown.
Karl Emanuel of Zierotin (1850-1934) was a peer of the Austrian Empire. He was governor of Moravia from 1900 to 1906.

 

[CyrilVladisla]

Countess Szechenyi-Klinkosch at the Dutch festival in 1879
http://www.lookandlearn.com/history-images/YWM2044821

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