Prince Friso in Critical Condition Following Skiing Accident: February 17, 2012


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Mariel said:
It was good to see Mabel walking with new Princess Beatrix, as two widows together. What a nice thought to do this! Not that Mabel is yet officially a widow, but her state is similar.
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I don't agree. Being a widow is sad and difficult, especially when there are young children but the position is clear cut and the widow can move forward planning her future and that of the children. I am in no way saying that this is easy.

Mabel is in limbo - there is no certainty. It must be truly awful; her future at present is linked to Friso and his condition.
 
I can't imagine the pain the family must be going through esp Friso & Mabel's children. They are so young.
 
Willem-Alexander spoke about Friso in his pre-inauguration interview on April 17, 2013.

Interviewer: On April 30, your brother Friso, of course, will not be present. What does his absence mean for you?
PRINCE OF ORANGE: We are a very close family and we are three brothers who grew up within 2.5 years apart. We have been through a lot together. And then, of course, you want everyone there. And such an accident in a family, any family whatsoever, is just awful. Yes, so I find it tragic ...

Interviewer: Difficult question to ask, perhaps even more difficult to answer, but I want to ask it anyway, because many people will want to know. How is it going with your brother right now?
PRINCE OF ORANGE: Unfortunately, we have no new messages and we would let people know if there were substantial changes. So it is still the same, same situation. But he is in the best of hands and Mabel and my mother really do everything for him to make it as good as possible ...
PRINCESS MAXIMA: To give him a chance.
PRINCE OF ORANGE: To give him a chance. So yes, I have deep respect for Mabel and my mother for what they do for my brother.
 
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cepe said:
I don't agree. Being a widow is sad and difficult, especially when there are young children but the position is clear cut and the widow can move forward planning her future and that of the children. I am in no way saying that this is easy.

Mabel is in limbo - there is no certainty. It must be truly awful; her future at present is linked to Friso and his condition.
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You are quite right. Here the grief never stop or has a chance of healing. Not that you do not grieve for life, but it is a softer grief, this is still raw and never ending.
 
some news about friso's condiction?
 
In an interview three weeks ago WA said that the situation has not changed.
 
I can't help wondering how long they'll leave him in that state?
I really can't think there's anything worse.
 
Nor can I. I hope they will not keep him 'alive' in that state for much longer. People do not recover from hypoxic brain injury.
 
scooter said:
Nor can I. I hope they will not keep him 'alive' in that state for much longer. People do not recover from hypoxic brain injury.
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I recently saw a documentary about people in comateuze or vegative state (not P.Friso himself)
and if his condition is anything like those people, than i don't think it's a matter of 'leave him in this state' or 'keep him alive'....
These people were not 'near death'...!
They were sitting in special wheelchairs not just lying down, they were breathing on their own without a breathing tube, and were in various states of 'awareness'... some had brainactivity when the name of a loved one was mentioned etc etc...

If there's any chance of some awareness to return, like recognize the family, maybe even learn to communicate again a little bit... I'm sure every family would jump at that chance...
 
Different brain injury levels create different circumstances and prognoses. Friso is not breathing on his own. The vent has been breathing for him since the initial resuscitation.. He's not going to be able to sit up. Permanent brain damage occurs at 5 minutes. Friso was without Oxygen for 50 minutes. This is not a 'recoverable' injury. At the time of the accident, the doctor treating Friso said he had been without oxygen for 'too long'.
 
scooter said:
Friso is not breathing on his own. The vent has been breathing for him since the initial resuscitation..
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This is not mentioned in the official communication....do you have a source for this information?
 
scooter said:
Different brain injury levels create different circumstances and prognoses. Friso is not breathing on his own. The vent has been breathing for him since the initial resuscitation.. He's not going to be able to sit up. Permanent brain damage occurs at 5 minutes. Friso was without Oxygen for 50 minutes. This is not a 'recoverable' injury. At the time of the accident, the doctor treating Friso said he had been without oxygen for 'too long'.
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I believe that one of the treating doctors in Austria went so far as to suggest that he should not have been resuscitated after that length of time.

I am so glad to see Mabel out and about again. It's a painful step, but it's a step towards living again.
 
GracieGiraffe said:
I believe that one of the treating doctors in Austria went so far as to suggest that he should not have been resuscitated after that length of time.

I am so glad to see Mabel out and about again. It's a painful step, but it's a step towards living again.
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I completely agree. The Austrian doctors acknowledged that during a press conference.
 
Lee-Z said:
This is not mentioned in the official communication....do you have a source for this information?
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I doubt a source is needed. It's scientific. 50 minutes not breathing, that it is what it does to you. If it was otherwise and he could breathe on his own, Frisos case would have come up in all the medical journals and it wasn't the case.
 
I, think, sadly, if he wasn't a Prince, he wouldn't have been kept to this point. No insurance plan would do this, perhaps, I am wrong. It is terrible for all. Basically, he is dead, so no one can heal and go forward. But, that was their choice.
 
Lee-Z said:
I recently saw a documentary about people in comateuze or vegative state (not P.Friso himself)
and if his condition is anything like those people, than i don't think it's a matter of 'leave him in this state' or 'keep him alive'....
These people were not 'near death'...!
They were sitting in special wheelchairs not just lying down, they were breathing on their own without a breathing tube, and were in various states of 'awareness'... some had brainactivity when the name of a loved one was mentioned etc etc...

If there's any chance of some awareness to return, like recognize the family, maybe even learn to communicate again a little bit... I'm sure every family would jump at that chance...
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But what kind of "life" is that?
It would break my heart to see anyone I loved reduced to that, and I hope and pray that if something like that should happen to me, that I am not kept in that sort of half-life.

Just existing would mean nothing to me; quality of life is what's important.
In the words of Edgar Lee Masters: One should be all dead if one is half-dead, and never mock life, nor ever cheat love.
 
In the USA everyone should have a signed health directive. It tells the Doctors what you want and is a legally binding document.
 
COUNTESS said:
I, think, sadly, if he wasn't a Prince, he wouldn't have been kept to this point. No insurance plan would do this, perhaps, I am wrong. It is terrible for all. Basically, he is dead, so no one can heal and go forward. But, that was their choice.
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I don't think that they would have gone to the extraordinary means to resuscitate him if he had not been a prince, or someone famous.
 
GracieGiraffe said:
I don't think that they would have gone to the extraordinary means to resuscitate him if he had not been a prince, or someone famous.
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Neither do I, and it's really a pity. If that were me... I would so much rather that they just have let me go.
 
scooter said:
He has been on the vent from day 1 www.austriantimes.at/news/General_N...valanche_companion_to_be_questioned_by_police

'The 43 year old is lying unconscious , connected to a ventilator in intensive care in Innsbruck after he was buried beneath an avalanche on Friday"
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That he was on a ventilator a few days after the accident does not mean that he is now

I don't know and you don't know

Just be glad you don't have to make decisions like these about a loved ones' life
 
GracieGiraffe said:
I believe that one of the treating doctors in Austria went so far as to suggest that he should not have been resuscitated after that length of time.
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I saw the press conference on TV and German is my mother tongue. Nothing of that kind was suggested. And in Austria resuscitation is usually done for ~1 hour.
The problem with Friso was that nobody actually knew for how long he had been without oxygen under the snow. And there was hope that the cold temperature might "protect" him. Only when he saw the extense of the brain damage the doctor could come to the conclusion that Friso must have stopped breathing soon and the brain had been without oxygen for "too long".

Lee-Z
That he was on a ventilator a few days after the accident does not mean that he is now
I don't know and you don't know
Just be glad you don't have to make decisions like these about a loved ones' life
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I agree with you. The last official information was that Friso has minimal conscience. And that's all we know for sure.
I find these ongoing comments about "letting him go", "not keeping him alive" rather annoying. Just respect his family's decision (if they had to make a decision) and be glad it's not you who has to make this decision.
 
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Grandma828 said:
In the USA everyone should have a signed health directive. It tells the Doctors what you want and is a legally binding document.
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I have one, of course.
But sometimes I fear it will not be enough.
One can only hope.
 
Make sure your Doctors and hospital have a copy on file. Also, make sure your family knows what it says.
 
XeniaCasaraghi said:
Why wouldn't it be enough? I thought if u had on that was the end, nobody could go against it.
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There are way too many circumstances where the AHD may not be applied. If you are treated by EMS they will do what they have to do irregardless as they simply may not have your wishes available. A physician does not have to follow the directive if they do not agree with it. So do not assume it will be followed. Talk it over with your physician - and hope he/she will be the treating physician when the day comes.
 
grevinnan said:
There are way too many circumstances where the AHD may not be applied. If you are treated by EMS they will do what they have to do irregardless as they simply may not have your wishes available. A physician does not have to follow the directive if they do not agree with it. So do not assume it will be followed. Talk it over with your physician - and hope he/she will be the treating physician when the day comes.
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Yes, I've heard of cases like that; it's even worse if certain members of the family won't agree.
I've told my family my pov repeatedly, but sometimes people are reluctant to abandon all hope, even when realistically they know there's none.
 
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Mirabel said:
Yes, I've heard of cases like that; it's even worse if certain members of the family won't agree.
I've told my family my pov repeatedly, but sometimes people are reluctant to abandon all hope, even when realistically they know there's none.
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I think part of the problem is that different people have different views about what is a good outcome. For some, the fact that a person who currently exists on life support in a coma may recover to the extent they can breathe on their own and be able to swallow pureed food fed to them by others, and can smile and groan at random, perhaps be able to respond to painful stimulii, but not be able to communicate otherwise and cannot recognise relatives, is a good outcome and one worth aiming for.

I am not definitely not in that camp. I consider that a person in a vegetative state has no quality of life, and I would not want to be forced to exist like that and would not condemn anyone for whom I had the responsibility to exist like that.

Of course if the person who is in the vegetative state is not on life support equipment there's nothing to turn off, so you have to rely on natural causes. So all you can do is issue a DNR direction and hope for pneumonia, so don't give permission for them to be given flu injections.
 
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