Prince Charles and His Sons


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I agree that he seems to be an absent father. He works so much! In a documentary about Prince Charles, a specialist on the royal family said that his work as a Prince takes 90% of his time.. That might explain his absent.
Did he not even left his vacation with Camilla to talk to Harry??? Whoa..thats news to me!! I think he is a good father, perhaps a bit old fashioned and traditional, but very caring. I suppose both William and Harry have been taken care of Nannys all their life...
Prince Harry needs to calm down and get some perspective on life..!!
 
I agree, Britters. Sooner or later, Harry has to realise that he's the one who's responsible for his actions and that daddy won't always be there to pick up the pieces and tell him what to do.
 
Britters said:
The way both boy speak of their father and the way "Royal Insiders" speak of the three it seems that Charles has been a great father-or at least that's what I'm basing my information off of...

As far as him coming home from his vacation, or summoning Harry to him, my thought's are these... Harry is an adult he is 20 years old and fully capable of making his own decisions. There is no reason while Charles, as a parent should have to end his own vacation, to scold his adult son. No other parent is truly responsible for punishing or scolding or changing their children's actions once they are full grown adults. This was Harry's decision and he should have to receive the "wrath" of the public. When Harry was caught up in the whole drug scandal, it was right for Charles to step in and do something, had he not I would say he was an absentee parent and a pushover. This however is completely different. Harry needs to learn to be responsible for his own actions, and need to learn that there are consequences-that his father and the various advisors can't just sweep things under a rug with the same old excuse, "Poor little Harry has had a rough life. It's hard living in the spotlight." There are hundreds of thousands of people who live in the spotlight daily.
While I agree that Harry needs to take responsibility for his owns actions, I strongly believe that Harry's behavior today is a direct result of a lack of parental supervision or input. I don't believe Harry has had any harder a life other children who lose one parent while young. Like you, I don't feel Diana's death is any excuse for Harry's idiotic behavior. If he was a sensible son, he would try his best to be a good son just to honor her memory. Charles has pretty much allowed his yes-men advisors to "raise" Harry, not fully realizing that his son has not received proper guidance, is out of control and probably needs the gas slapped straight out of him. Harry is 20 going on 6, and seems to be content being a court jester.

There is a reason why Charles and his siblings never gave as much trouble as Harry: their parents set boundaries that they dared not to cross. QEII and Philip were not bad parents, the only child who has complained is Charles, who of all the children, probably received the most attention. Charles had both the Queen and Philip in his life as authority figures. Harry is directly Charles' responsibility yet he has no authority figure. I don't pity Harry in any way, but I recognize that his actions are a direct result of a lack of discipline and guidance from an authority figure. They should have dumped that boy in boot camp right after leaving Eton. After serving two years as an enlisted soldier, then I feel he would be worthy to enrol in a presitgious officer training course.
 
Article from The Sunday Times:

Finally it seems as at least the staff is beginning to realise that this media agreement might be a hinder for William for his future role, and that it's rediculous to have it for two adults. I hope it will be removed, and that both of the boys will be kicked right into the world of the royal working world as soon as possible...

Harry may get larger royal role

Buckingham Palace is pressing Prince Harry to shoulder the duties of a working royal in an effort to curb his wayward behaviour. The palace initiative, which will also affect Prince William, ends the policy of shielding the princes from public exposure, which was introduced after the death of their mother, Diana, Princess of Wales, in 1997.

One source said: "Working hard helped remake the reputation of the Princess Royal and of the Earl of Wessex. It will also be the answer for Harry."

Harry's ill-judged decision a week ago to don a Nazi uniform for a fancy dress party occurred in one of the many rest periods during his current double "gap year".

By contrast, the Prince of Wales was regularly undertaking royal engagements by the age of 20. One palace source said William risked becoming embroiled in embarrassing incidents if he had no formal plan after graduation this summer. He is expected to begin a low-key programme of official engagements directly after completing his education at St Andrews University, Scotland.

An adviser said: "The boys are now grown men and the arrangements put in place when they lost their mother no longer make sense." This weekend there were the first signs that courtiers at Clarence House — as well as the palace — believed both princes should at last be eased into formal royal engagements. Neither is expected to claim payments from the civil list.
 
Annoucement from Clarence House yesterday:

APPOINTMENT OF PRIVATE SECRETARY TO PRINCE WILLIAM AND PRINCE HARRY

Mr Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton MVO, MBE has been appointed Private Secretary to Prince William and Prince Harry on a part-time basis. He will take up his post on 2nd May, when he will become responsible for providing advice and organising The Princes’ activities.

Mr Lowther-Pinkerton, a former Army officer and Equerry to Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother, will work at Clarence House for two-and-a-half days a week. He will liaise closely with Sir Michael Peat, Private Secretary to HRH The Prince of Wales, and Miss Helen Asprey, Personal Secretary to the two Princes.

The timing of Mr Lowther-Pinkerton’s appointment coincides with Prince Harry’s entry into the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst in May, and Prince William’s completion in June of his degree course at the University of St Andrews.
 
The former SAS officer will become the Princes new secretary in May, as they begin to take on more public duties
Photo: © Alphapress.com



Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton has experience working with youngsters as he runs a company which offers ´survival´ training courses for gap-year students
Photo: © EMPICS
 

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Wills and Harry receive former SAS adivisor:



4 MARCH 2005

http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2005/03/04/williamharry/#enviarPrinces William and Harry are set to get a new private secretary. Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton, a former equerry to the Queen Mother, has been given the job of helping steer the young Princes as they take on more public duties.

The part-time appointment comes at a particularly important time for William who graduates from St Andrews University this June and is expected to step into a more public role. Mr Lowther-Pinkerton will also be able to provide support and guidance for Harry who will be following in his footsteps when he attends Sandhurst this May.

The Princes first official paid minder is also expected to act as an advisor to the boys, aiding them in choosing what engagements to take on, and what charitable work to get involved in as they get older and take on more official duties.

In the course of his military career the 44-year-old father of three has worked in many of the world's most dangerous trouble spots. He has participated in several conflicts, including the first Gulf War.

As the director and co-founder of a safety awareness training company, the former SAS man and MBE holder is no stranger to offering support and guidance to young people. He has run courses teaching gap year students how to survive the perils of foreign travel for several years.

Mr Lowther-Pinkerton was also the man actor Ewan McGregor and his friend Charley Boorman turned to for survival training prior to embarking on their three-month motorbike ride from London to New York last year.


http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2005/03/04/williamharry/
 
Evidence please

kinneret5764 said:
Charles has pretty much allowed his yes-men advisors to "raise" Harry, .

An interesting assertion.

Is there any evidence to support it?
 
kloster

When will they go to Kloster ? It seems me that it's before the wedding but if someone know the date...
Thank:)
 
Does Camilla like to ski? I don't think I've ever read anything about Camilla enjoying snow and the slopes. Or maybe she'll just go to keep Charles company and for a bit of respite from the public attention she's been getting lately.
 
what plans for Charles and his sons and Camilla on Easter's day? but Charles and sons not there at Easter services with his parents and his siblings but im sure where they were!

Sara Boyce
 
Charles is 'bloody' angry
31 March 2005

The Prince of Wales's contempt for the press was made abundantly clear today when the grumpy groom-to-be faced the cameras just a week before his wedding.

Charles muttered "bloody people" and "I hate doing this" as he posed for photos with Princes William and Harry while on a skiing holiday in their favourite posh Swiss resort Klosters.

He also branded a TV reporter "awful" and said: "I hate these people."

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The mumbled comments by the heir to the throne were picked up, unknown to the Charles, on microphones resting in the snow in front of the royals as they answered questions.

He uttered the words to his sons - presumably thinking he could not be heard.
Aides said Charles had been angered by paparazzi photos published today of William and girlfriend Kate Middleton.

University student William, 20, and Kate were snapped alongside Charles, illustrating Kate's increasing acceptance into royal circles.

There was no sign of Kate at the annual media event today. William denied there would be a second royal wedding soon and insisted he had not seen any of the newspaper coverage.

During the brief five-minute media event in the village of Monbiel, on the outskirts of Klosters, Charles looked uncomfortable as he was asked by BBC TV reporter Nicholas Witchell about his feelings in the run-up to his wedding.
"I'm very glad you have heard of it," the Prince said.

But he also uttered: "Bloody people. I can't bear that man anyway. He's so awful, he really is."

Charles added: "I hate these people."

Earlier he was spotted saying: "I hate doing this."

The royals traditionally stage one photocall during their annual spring break in Klosters in return for peace and quiet while skiing on the slopes.

But the paparazzi snatched pictures of William and the others yesterday despite attempts by aides to keep the holiday private.

The royals have always had a difficult relationships with the press.

Harry was notoriously caught on camera while scuffling with a paparazzi photographer outside a London nightclub and William has always found life in the limelight difficult.

After the death of their mother Diana, Princess of Wales, William and Harry were given more privacy when Clarence House secured an informal agreement with the press to leave them alone while they were still in education.

But as William prepares to leave university and Harry gets ready to join the Army, the privacy they enjoy could be under threat in the future.

While all three were generally more subdued than normal, William and Harry were far more cheerful than their father.

It was Harry's first official appearance in front of the media since his infamous Nazi fancy dress costume gaffe. Although the 20-year-old laughed and smiled, he spoke little during the photocall.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/17616296?source=PA&ct=5
 

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There's a whole series of pictures at Getty, go here

Just a sample:
 

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From BBC News:

If you go here, you can also see a video clip of the photo call! :)

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I hate facing media, says Charles

Prince Charles has voiced his dislike of facing the media at a photo call during the Royals' annual skiing holiday at Klosters in Switzerland.

As he posed with sons William and Harry eight days before his wedding, the prince muttered: "Bloody people."

The assembled microphones picked up his comments, mumbled to his sons, which included: "I hate doing this".

Aides said Charles had been angered by paparazzi photos in the UK press of William and girlfriend Kate Middleton.

BBC Royal correspondent Nicholas Witchell told BBC News 24 that a further comment from Prince Charles was directed at him, following a question about the prince's forthcoming marriage.

Prince Charles was heard saying to his sons: "I can't bear that man. He is so awful, he really is."

The royals traditionally stage one photocall during their annual spring break in Klosters in return for peace and quiet while skiing on the slopes.

This year, photographers managed to secure images despite aides' attempts to make sure the holiday remained private.

No Camilla

Charles's communication secretary Paddy Harverson said the prince had not been looking forward to the photo call.

"He prefers it when he skis and he just wanted to get up into the mountains.

"He doesn't have contempt for the media. A few paparazzi yesterday got the holiday off to a bad start.

"I think the prince was a little bit upset about that."

The prince's fiancee Camilla Parker Bowles cannot ski and was not on the holiday.

Asked how he was feeling before the 8 April wedding, Charles said: "I'm very glad you have heard of it."

But then he muttered: "Bloody people."

Share a cottage

When Prince William was asked about the wedding he said he was "very happy, very pleased", adding: "It will be a good day."

The sons said a stag do had been held, with William saying: "You've missed it. It was good fun."

The pair laughed loudly when asked whether they had chained their father to a lamppost, causing Charles to ponder aloud why that would happen.

His sons explained the tradition to him.

On Thursday William was pictured with his university friend Kate Middleton relaxing with his father, brother and other friends.

The images of William, 22, with Miss Middleton, were splashed across the Daily Mirror, Daily Express, Sun and the Daily Mail on Thursday.

It is the second time Miss Middleton has accompanied the Royals on their winter trip.

The couple, who share a cottage at St Andrew's University, in Fife, Scotland, were photographed together by the paparazzi a year ago during his last trip to Klosters.

The official photo call was held in the village of Monbiel, 2km from the centre of Klosters, after poor weather forced the cancellation of the traditional mountain staging.
 
Thank you for these photos and this great story, GrandDuchess. Ouch- Charles really knows how to drop a clanger...but at least one can´t say, he isn´t honest :D
 
Thanks for all the pictures and articles.One would think with all his years of living in the public spotlight and his many experiences with paparazzi and media sessions at Klosters that Charles would know to be careful about what he says. :eek:
 
GrandDuchess said:
If you go here, you can also see a video clip of the photo call! :)

Thanks for the link GrandDuchess! It seemed like an innocent question. Wills seems to be learning to deal with the press better and better though. Maybe he needs to give his father some pointers.:D Also if you go to the link GrandDuchess gave, in addition to the photo call video there is a link to a video of the man Charles said he couldn't stand responding to the comment on the right side of the screen. He seemed to take it in stride.
 
Well, considering the way the press has been on his case recently, I can see where he'd be fed up with them. But after all this time of being around the press, he must know that there'd be microphones - I wonder if he meant for them to hear what he said about them.
 
From Colourpress

Prince Charles and his two boys Harry (left) and William pose for photographers in the Swiss resort during their anual ski holiday.
 

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Doesn't look as though there's a lot of snow there.
 
Another story about Charles' comments. I watched his comments on the BBC.
I think it's funny that the 30-year BBC journalist laughed at him and will cover his wedding next week. I have an undergrad degree in journalism and worked seven years as a newspaper copy editor. I hope Charles realize that this won't win him or his "bride" any support for this wedding next week and that the journalists may not write fair editorials about him or his family. :mad:

I noticed that someone wrote if something happens to the Pope or Rainier then the wedding will turn into a minor event. I hope it does not, because I hope they both will recover and I am not wishing any ill will toward anyone.

Charles 'Can't Bear' BBC's Nicholas Witchell
By Laura Elston, PA Deputy Court Correspondent
The Prince of Wales was said to have regretted his comments about the BBC’s royal correspondent who he branded as “awful”.
Charles was heard to mutter under his breath “bloody awful people” at a gathered press pack during an official Clarence House photocall at the Swiss ski resort of Klosters.

The heir to the throne’s mumbles, in which he revealed a particular dislike for BBC correspondent Nicholas Witchell, were picked up on microphones buried in the snow.

About Witchell, he remarked: “I can’t bear that man anyway. He’s so awful, he really is.”

Paddy Harverson, Clarence House’s communication secretary, said the Prince regretted taking his “general frustration” out on Mr Witchell.

Mr Harverson said: “Nicholas was in the firing line when the Prince was expressing his general frustration at the paparazzi and it boiled over at the first person to ask a question.

“It wasn’t personal. He does regret saying it. He really didn’t mean to take it out on Nicholas.”

Asked whether the Prince was going to apologise, he added: “We’re not going to go into that.”

Charles’s dislike of the media was revealed yesterday as he faced the media with sons William and Harry.

Aides said the Prince was angry after the paparazzi snatched pictures of William and his girlfriend Kate Middleton on Wednesday.

But it was suspected that ongoing critical coverage of his marriage could have also affected his mood during his brief five-minute appearance in the village of Monbiel during his week long stay in the Swiss Alps.

While it might have been pre-wedding nerves, the heir to the throne’s words suggested a more long-standing dislike of the media – especially Witchell.

The journalist asked the trio of royals a polite question about Charles’s forthcoming wedding to Camilla Parker next week.

He said to the Prince: “How are you feeling?”

Charles replied, looking uncomfortable: “I’m very glad you’ve heard of it anyway.”

He then quietly uttered to his sons: “These bloody people. I can’t bear that man anyway. He’s so awful, he really is.”

The comments were only noticed afterwards when the recordings were played back.

Many of his grumblings were mumbled, but Charles, who had spotted the microphones in the snow earlier, also appeared to say either “I hate these people” or “I hate doing this”.

Harry, 20, was also caught on tape declaring sarcastically “This is so much fun”, while William, 22, tried to keep up the pretence by urging “Keep smiling. Keep smiling.”

The media event – the first official one with Charles and his sons since news of the wedding broke – had been expected to give William and Harry the opportunity to show their support for the wedding and for Camilla.

Witchell, who once famously sat on a protester when she barged into the BBC newsroom while he was reading the news, laughed off the criticism but declined to comment further.

The journalist, who has worked for the BBC for nearly 30 years and will be reporting from Windsor on the wedding day, grinned and chuckled during his lunchtime coverage on the matter.

Charles’s comments were branded a “PR disaster” by PR guru Max Clifford and have led to questions over whether the media stunt will be staged next year.

The royals have always had a troublesome relationships with the press.

Harry was pictured scuffling with a paparazzi photographer outside a nightclub and William has always found life in the limelight difficult.

Protected after the death of their mother Diana, Princess of Wales, the brothers were given more privacy when Clarence House secured an informal agreement with the media to leave them alone while they were still in education.

But when William leaves university and Harry joins the Army, the future of the already rocky relationship could become even more problematic.

While all three Princes were generally more subdued than normal, William and Harry were far more cheerful than their father.

Harry – on his first official appearance since the Nazi fancy dress costume gaffe – did laugh and smile, but said very little and made no mention of his father’s wedding.

William was the first to respond on the marriage, saying he was “very happy, very pleased“, adding: “It will be a good day.”

He said he was looking forward to being a witness, remarking: “As long as I don’t lose the rings.”

Quizzed on how he and Kate were coping with the media attention, he said: “I haven’t seen any of it. I’m just gagging to be on the slopes – simple as that.”

He dismissed a question about whether there would be a second royal wedding soon, saying “No“.

In an interview with The Sun newspaper, William reaffirmed he was too young to get married.

The prince said: “Look, I’m only 22 for God’s sake. I am too young to marry at my age.

“I don’t want to get married until I’m at least 28 or maybe 30.”

Of his brother, the prince said: “Harry is a great lad. The image people have of him is nothing like the real thing.”

The prince said his brother was “fun loving” and commanded adoration from his friends.

William was enjoying a night out when he conducted the informal conversation with the reporter in Klosters.
 
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I think Charles and Harry showed poor judgment by insulting the media - the media is no friend to the British royal family I realize, but I think as a royal they have a duty to appear mature and professional in public.
 
But for my opinion,i think the paparazzi should not go after the Royals so much.They must have their private life.The papa can go after them everything at engagements, but this is their holiday,give them their private time together and relax.There are nothing good if ther papa always behave like that.So it's make Prince Charles gets angry.
 
The one and only wondeful and gorgeous harry and William!?!?

I just want to say to everyone that William and Harry shouldn't be known for their publicity, wealth, or the fact that they are royal... They should be known for their uniqness as an individual person. Those boys are exactly like you and me except for one thing and that is they were born with privelage. I admire their talent of how well they can cooperate with people beside what they think personaly of that person. Their mother plays a huge role in this I think. She didn't want her beloved boys to grow up and not know how to survive with life and people outside the palace walls. She wanted them to experince every aspect of a normal childhood which she and Charles never had. Many people say that Harry is a screw up and that he is the most irresponsible person that ever lived. You know what I say to all of those people I ask them simply if they know or have know harry personally. Of couse they always answer with the single word NO! Who are they to judge other people's lives when they have not yet judged their own. Harry is probably one of the most honorable young men of our time and I think we are damn lucky to have him as one of our princes of England. William on the other hand people might refer to him as a goody goody or a suck up. William is a very good role model. He has the looks and the social skills that go along with being a very good target for the media and press to want publicity on. He has to set a good example for other people. He is also very mature because he had to take a big role in Diana's life as the support buddy and someone who she could simply talk with and pour out her heart with almost every emotion emaginable. I believe that those boys have grown up in a wonderful home wether you believe it or not. I believe that they have a wondeful father and mother. Charles at times may not show it and the media critisises him for it but he does love his children very much and care for them as any father would upon his sons. William and Harry may be different in many ways from each other but they do have one thing in comon and that is they love each other like all brothers should love. William and Harry are very handsome and have a full life ahead of them. I believe strongly that they will make a large impact on the people of England one way or another. To them I say well done Harry and William!
 
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The photocall had nothing to do with the paparazzi. Clarence House organized it and the reporters invited were all from respected agencies such as the BBC and Sky news. The man Charles was rude about was a BBC reporter who was actually asking a perfectly relevent and inoffensive question about the forthcoming wedding.
 
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