Prince Andrew, Duke of York Current Events 7: Feb 2015 - Sep 2022

[Denville]

his mohter is living in Windsor and his children are nearby. He owns the Lodge at Windsor. Why would he go soemwhere else? For the moment the odds are that there would be photographers trying to get a shot of him anyhwere he went. Its hardly being in the spotlight of the press to be seen out riding on his family's land.. He is not going to sit indoors for life.

 

[Osipi]

his mohter is living in Windsor and his children are nearby. He owns the Lodge at Windsor. Why would he go soemwhere else? For the moment the odds are that there would be photographers trying to get a shot of him anyhwere he went. Its hardly being in the spotlight of the press to be seen out riding on his family's land.. He is not going to sit indoors for life.

Actually, he does not "own" Royal Lodge but has put millions into renovations of the property and the Crown Estates has given him a very, very long lease on it that will last past his death and could then be transferred to one of his daughters if he wanted to do that.

He's living quietly and not making any kind of noise and calling attention to himself. He likes to ride. He drives his car. It's not his fault that the tabloids deem that worthy of printing a picture of him doing so. *They* should leave him alone rather than Andrew never be somewhere where he could be photographed ever again. He behaved badly throughout the Epstein years and when Epstein was caught, his demeanor and attitude was despicable but that's over with now. I'm sure there isn't one among us here that has had times when we weren't at our very best too.

He should just be left alone.

 

[muriel]

Actually, he does not "own" Royal Lodge but has put millions into renovations of the property and the Crown Estates has given him a very, very long lease on it that will last past his death and could then be transferred to one of his daughters if he wanted to do that.

The "Crown Estates has given him a very, very long lease on it" because he / the Queen paid for it, at market rates prevalent at the time.

The cost of the lease factored in the monies spent by the DoY on the remnovation fo the property, the length of the lease, the amount of monies prvided upfront and the ongoing annual rental.

 

[Denville]

Actually, he does not "own" Royal Lodge but has put millions into renovations of the property and the Crown Estates has given him a very, very long lease on it that will last past his death and could then be transferred to one of his daughters if he wanted to do that.

He's living quietly and not making any kind of noise and calling attention to himself. He likes to ride. He drives his car. It's not his fault that the tabloids deem that worthy of printing a picture of him doing so. *They* should leave him alone rather than Andrew never be somewhere where he could be photographed ever again. He behaved badly throughout the Epstein years and when Epstein was caught, his demeanor and attitude was despicable but that's over with now. I'm sure there isn't one among us here that has had times when we weren't at our very best too.

He should just be left alone.

I know he doesn't literally own Royal Lodge but I meant that its his home, he has a long lease on it.. and he has nowehere else... plus it is near the queen and the one thing he CAN do that is useful is to visit her and cheer her up a bit.. which i think he does do.

Yep, you are surely right - I did not think that far. My fault!

I mean, even if he would be about to help some Ukrainian refugees, haters would only just ask, if he is doing it, because of the teenage refugee girls...

Br?

He cant' do anyting of a charitable nature, Im sure you realise that. Nowadays, if youo make an error particualrly of a sexual nature, you are NEVER NEVER going to be forgiven and you can't work your way back to acceptance. Andrew and Sarah tried to do some charity work a year ago, packing food for housebound people, and once it was found out they had to stop it.

 

[iceflower]

The Duke of York was photographed horse riding at Windsor today, March 28:


** dailymail article ** rex gallery **

 

[Fem]

Yep, you are surely right - I did not think that far. My fault!

I mean, even if he would be about to help some Ukrainian refugees, haters would only just ask, if he is doing it, because of the teenage refugee girls...

But because of this, it is important for him, to disappear out of the spotlight of the press for a while!

And he does not have to be photographed in Windsor, the centre of the English Monarchy since almost a thousand years! The Royal Family has a lot of real estate. Why not go to Balmoral, Sandringham, whatever?

As I said previously, Andrew has not been convicted of any crime. It's not like he is a convicted criminal, spending his days on riding horses and watching Netflix while he's avoiding prison.

The answer to the last question can be pretty simple - because Windsor is his home. He's not on vacation, hiding or running away. He's living in his house. If we extend our reasoning it might also be because his mother had a very difficult year, she's not getting any younger and looks a little worse for the wear so he might want to be close if something bad happens. Or maybe because both of his daughters have small children - his grandchildren - that he wants to spend time with.

Maybe the question we should be asking ourselves is why the photographers are waiting for his every move outside of the Royal Lodge.

 

[Denville]

As I said previously, Andrew has not been convicted of any crime. It's not like he is a convicted criminal, spending his days on riding horses and watching Netflix while he's avoiding prison.

The answer to the last question can be pretty simple - because Windsor is his home. He's not on vacation, hiding or running away. He's living in his house. If we extend our reasoning it might also be because his mother had a very difficult year, she's not getting any younger and looks a little worse for the wear so he might want to be close if something bad happens. Or maybe because both of his daughters have small children - his grandchildren - that he wants to spend time with.

Maybe the question we should be asking ourselves is why the photographers are waiting for his every move outside of the Royal Lodge.

that's hardly a puzzler, htey do it to make money

 

[yukari]

Exclusive: Turkish woman, 76, gave £750,000 to Prince Andrew after adviser won Pitch@Palace event

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(...)Court documents disclosed to The Telegraph after this newspaper made an application in the High Court showed that £750,000 went into his personal account.

The money had come from Nebahat Evyap Isbilen, a 76-year-old millionaire who had fled persecution in her native Turkey. In a court document, she alleged that she was told to make the payment by Mr Turk, who was not only the founder of Heyman AI but also her financial adviser. The money, she was told by Mr Turk, was for help the Duke had purportedly given her in acquiring a new Turkish passport.

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Some time after the first hearing, held in March last year, the Duke of York paid the money back to Mrs Isbilen. It appears he had held on to it for at least 16 months.

As soon as Peters & Peters, Mrs Isbilen’s law firm, wrote to the Duke “requesting an account of his dealings with Mr Turk, Prince Andrew declined to provide any such account, but repaid Mrs Isbilen the sum of £750,000,” Mr Tickner said in his affidavit.

The particulars of claim were amended after that hearing, according to the documents seen by The Telegraph, so that instead of stating “Mrs Isbilen is entitled to and claims damages in the sum of £750,000”, it was changed to read: “Mrs Isbilen has now received £750,000 from HRH Duke of York.”

 

[Lady Daly]

More bad news for Prince Andrew and his wife Sarah it appears. Andrew's past continues to catch up with him.

"Prince Andrew was given more than £1 million by an alleged fraudster and is now embroiled in a High Court battle over missing money, The Telegraph can reveal.
The Duke of York and Sarah Ferguson, his ex-wife, received "suspicious" payments on the orders of Selman Turk, a former Goldman Sachs banker, as part of a £40 million international fraud, it is alleged.
The payments included a £750,000 "gift" to the Duke by Nebahat Evyap Isbilen, a 76-year-old Turkish millionaire, who was told she was paying for help with a passport so she could flee political persecution in her homeland.
The first payment to the Duke came days after Mr Turk had won an award at the Duke's Dragons Den-style competition, known as Pitch@Palace, at St James's Palace. Mrs Isbilen has told the High Court she believes the payment was connected to Mr Turk's appearance at the event.
Further payments linked to Mr Turk, of £350,000, were made to Prince Andrew through a third party account which also handed £225,000 to his ex-wife."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/03/31/duke-york-took-1m-turkish-fraudster/
Archived article:
https://archive.ph/anOgx

 

[Osipi]

Disproves the statement that "the truth shall set you free".

At least now with the Duke permantently put out to pasture with a percetage of about .001% influence in anything, the buck stops there.

 

[Sionevar]

The Daily Mail is now reporting that an 'emboldened' Prince Andrew is eager to attend the service in St. Paul's Cathedral for the Platinum Jubilee celebrations.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...attend-Queens-St-Pauls-Cathedral-service.html

Another article claims the Queen allowed him to escort her to the thanksgiving service because she believes he is innocent, and wanted to show that 'she makes the decisions'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...ial-service-showed-believes-hes-innocent.html

It's the Daily Mail, so take it all with a large pinch of salt.

I honestly don't know what to think about this. Andrew seems to be determined to claim his place, whether it's good for the BRF or not. I can't see Charles or William being pleased by his ideas.

 

[ladongas]

Were I the recently widowed Queen, I would certainly choose to be escorted and assisted by my son, who is also my near neighbor. She has loved Andrew for 60 years, and no doubt has many fond memories of their relationship.

Whatever he may (or may not) have done 20 years ago, blood is still thicker than water; and if his presence is comforting to her, I strongly doubt that either Charles or William would go overboard with trying to forbid or discourage the situation. (Anyway, they can’t!)

Most parents (and children) have to do a certain amount of forgiving and forgetting over a lifetime. Trying to settle scores is not something a frail person of ninety-plus years is equipped nor obliged to do. I’m sure most of her subjects agree with that. And if they don’t?

 

[Osipi]

I honestly don't know what to think about this. Andrew seems to be determined to claim his place, whether it's good for the BRF or not. I can't see Charles or William being pleased by his ideas.

Truth be told, there isn't actually any "place" that Andrew can attempt to claim anymore. He is no longer relevant to the UK, it's monarchy or anything having to do with the BRF and their "Firm" as it relates to their public roles.

Andrew may have ideas on the best ways to serve up eggs in the morning but we all have those kind of ideas.

 

[yukari]

More on the Turkish fraud case. After Sarah, now Beatrice and Eugenie are also being dragged into this.

And the drama of the York family continue ....

Exclusive: Claims Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie received money from Turkish 'fraudster' linked to Prince Andrew

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A series of payments were made through a third party, Alphabet Capital, limited to the family over the course of the next few months. It is alleged the payments were made from Mrs Isbilen’s funds.

Jonathan Tickner, the head of fraud and commercial disputes at Peters & Peters, representing Mrs Isbilen, has told the court that bank statements obtained by his legal team show that Princess Eugenie was paid £25,000 over the course of two days.

The first £10,000 transfer was made on October 9 through the Alphabet account. The next day, a payment of £15,066.05 was made from Mr Turk’s account to “EUGENIE YORK” under the reference “BIRTHDAY GIFT”.

Sources close to the family say the payment of more than £15,000 listed as a birthday gift to Princess Eugenie made on October 10 2019 was in fact to pay for a surprise birthday party for the Duchess. Princess Eugenie’s birthday is on March 23, whilst the Duchess' is on October 15.

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Mr Tickner said that transcripts had since been obtained “of telephone conversations between Mr Turk, Hampden Bank and Prince Andrew’s private office, in which this representation was repeated”.

Mrs Isbilen added: “I have seen an email from Mr Turk to Hampden Bank explaining that this transfer was a wedding gift to Princess Beatrice owing to the close connection between our families. This email is entirely false.”

There is no suggestion that in court documents that Princess Beatrice was aware of the conversations.

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In a statement on Friday evening, Princess Eugenie said: "On 31 March 2022 I received a letter from solicitors Peters & Peters representing their client Nebahat Evyap Isbilen in her claim against a Mr Selman Turk, and various companies. I know neither Mrs Isbilen nor Mr Turk (nor any other details of the claim) and I was surprised to receive this letter, which asked me to explain two payments made to my bank account in October 2019, which I understood to be gifts from a long-standing family friend to assist with the cost of a surprise party for my mother, Sarah, Duchess of York’s sixtieth birthday.

"In early October 2019 I had received a call from our family friend saying that he wanted to make a financial contribution towards my mother’s birthday party to assist with the catering costs. I suggested that any contribution could be made directly to the caterers, but in the event provided my account details to which two payments were made totalling £25,000, which I then transferred on to the company organising my mother’s party.

"I am now consulting with my lawyers who I have asked to respond to Peters & Peters on my behalf to assist in their inquiries."

 

[Tatiana Maria]

The headline seems unfairly misleading in relation to Princess Beatrice since, according to the article, Beatrice never received any money from Mr. Turk (whether knowingly or unknowingly), unlike her parents and sister.

 

[Leopoldine]

My sympathies are with the two lovely York daughters.

This expose by the Telegraph may have been known to the BRF before the memorial ceremony, as the news story detailed an investigation that didn't exactly start last week. BP may have asked them to delay.

Also, Andrew "sending back" 750,000 pounds had to have been noted by the palace people who arranged Virginia Giuffre Roberts's payment.

 

[Osipi]

One thing for sure is that there will be absolutely no one that will ever think Andrew is a good source for an "inside scoop" about investing money wisely. In fact, I don't think there'll be even be many people around that would give Andrew a dollar two ninety eight for a hamburger today even with the promise that he'd pay it back on the second Tuesday of next week.

How much further can Andrew actually sink his reputation? How much lower can the man go?

 

[Moonmaiden23]

The Daily Mail is now reporting that an 'emboldened' Prince Andrew is eager to attend the service in St. Paul's Cathedral for the Platinum Jubilee celebrations.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...attend-Queens-St-Pauls-Cathedral-service.html

Another article claims the Queen allowed him to escort her to the thanksgiving service because she believes he is innocent, and wanted to show that 'she makes the decisions'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...ial-service-showed-believes-hes-innocent.html

It's the Daily Mail, so take it all with a large pinch of salt.

I honestly don't know what to think about this. Andrew seems to be determined to claim his place, whether it's good for the BRF or not. I can't see Charles or William being pleased by his ideas.

The bottom line is that if HMQ had not wanted her second son by her side at WA he would not have been. He wasn't twisting her arm behind behind her back as he walked her to her seat.

She is in the twighlight of a long and exemplary life and reign. She might feel that she has given in to the public outcry to strip and humiliate Andrew as much as she is going to. To hell with anyone who is still not satisfied.

And that includes Charles and William.

 

[Lady Daly]

I was glad to see Andrew accompany his mother to his father's service Tuesday. The bond between mother and son is strong and will not be broken. I don't think this means Andrew has any chance of regaining his former status as a working member of the BRF. He's out and will remain out. One cannot arrogantly and continuously blunder as Andrew has with the expectation there is any place for him other than the son of the current monarch.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

I agree. And I pretty much expect it will be open season on Andrew and perhaps even his blameless daughters once Charles is on the throne.

But I think the queen is done with it.

 

[sophie25]

My sympathies are with the two lovely York daughters.

This expose by the Telegraph may have been known to the BRF before the memorial ceremony, as the news story detailed an investigation that didn't exactly start last week. BP may have asked them to delay.

Also, Andrew "sending back" 750,000 pounds had to have been noted by the palace people who arranged Virginia Giuffre Roberts's payment.

Eugenie had money paid to her by this fellow too.

 

[Alisa]

Andrew needs to disappear under a rock.

 

[Denville]

Andrew needs to disappear under a rock.

He is leading a quiet life, not working, not going outside his home even most of the time. What do you expect him to do?

 

[padams2359]

Not do what he did for the memorial would be a good start. Undoubtedly he strong armed his mother to allow such a ridiculous stunt. Her frailty is beginning to show, and he took advantage.

 

[ladongas]

Not do what he did for the memorial would be a good start. Undoubtedly he strong armed his mother to allow such a ridiculous stunt. Her frailty is beginning to show, and he took advantage.

Surely HM preferred to be escorted by her son on this occasion, rather than a Church or government functionary. Whom did it harm?

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Nobody "strong arms" Queen Elizabeth II. I don't believe it.

 

[Somebody]

I fully agree. It made a lot of sense that the queen asked her only unmarried child to support her while she walked into the Abbey for the memorial service of her late husband.

Queen Beatrix did the same at the funeral of her late husband. Her eldest and youngest son were married so they were accompanied by their wives while she was accompanied by her unmarried middle son.

 

[Alisa]

He is leading a quiet life, not working, not going outside his home even most of the time. What do you expect him to do?

I expect him to not be seen at major royal events. This included the Memorial and the Queen's upcoming Jubliee events.

Nobody "strong arms" Queen Elizabeth II. I don't believe it.

If anyone can strong arm the Queen it is Andrew. As Her Majesty's favorite son she has a soft spot for him.

I fully agree. It made a lot of sense that the queen asked her only unmarried child to support her while she walked into the Abbey for the memorial service of her late husband.

Queen Beatrix did the same at the funeral of her late husband. Her eldest and youngest son were married so they were accompanied by their wives while she was accompanied by her unmarried middle son.

You cannot compare the two. Queen Beatrix's middle child was not embroiled in a major scandal involving the sexual exploitation of a minor. Friso was no Andrew.

 

[muriel]

Moving on from the Service of Thanksgiving, I really do not think Andrew should appear alongside the Queen or ortherwise at any Jubilee-related events. I do not think there is any public appetite, at this stage, to see him.

 

[Denville]

You cannot compare the two. Queen Beatrix's middle child was not embroiled in a major scandal involving the sexual exploitation of a minor. Friso was no Andrew.

She was not a minor, and andrew has not been convicted of anything.

Moving on from the Service of Thanksgiving, I really do not think Andrew should appear alongside the Queen or ortherwise at any Jubilee-related events. I do not think there is any public appetite, at this stage, to see him.

Its not a matter of an appetitite to see him but he is a member of the RF, and if hte quene would like him to come to at least one event, for the Jubilee in her hoonour, I think he should be able to.