Prince Albert and Princess Charlene's Relationship - Part 2

[Patra]

Who says PA must be married anyway? His offspring has been acknowledged (all but illegitimate) so where would that leave the succession of the throne if he were never to marry, but only continue to have children out of wedlock?

 

[olga101]

I think they will marry and that they have gone as far as they are able as a couple without the paper. As for the religious aspects and political ones I would not be surprised if Pa does not have a civil ceremony and revise the rest.It would have been nicer if Cw spoke French but she may well yet do it as Grace did by 'osmosis" to quote her. I just cannot see them breaking up.If anybody thinks that after four years they would break well.. I would be shocked


Evita started like that with Ladies Lunch etc.


No way . Alex has nothing to do with CW appearing on the scene.
Pa is not one to deflect and denigrate Cw like that ever as he has shown.
If that was the case I think CW would have left by now. having understood that she is being used - or it would have taken a downward spiral.
Nothing of the sort.

Whoa Jaya, you might want to wait before you buy that Armani dress for the occasion--just maybe.

 

[hibou]

Who says PA must be married anyway? His offspring has been acknowledged (all but illegitimate) so where would that leave the succession of the throne if he were never to marry, but only continue to have children out of wedlock?

In the capable hands of Caroline.

 

[Renata4711]

I agree with Hibou - there is no need for PA to marry. His father saw to that when he had the constitution changed all those years ago.
Marriage would be an unnecessary distraction from all he is doing and achieving, and what he is planning for the future.

I think he is set on becoming a recognised international statesman who likes to visit lots of countries and events, including his engagement with the Olympic movement.

How could marriage possibly compete with all this??

 

[Lighthouse]

People like to have family to go home to at night.

 

[hibou]

People like to have family to go home to at night.

Most due but it's not for everyone. There are career people out there that that in essence "marry" their careers. I worked for someone like that for many years. Their job WAS their life.

 

[Zonk]

In addition, everyone has their own definition of family. For right now it appears that Albert and Charlene are in agreement with the current status of their relationship. Presently, the future of Monaco rest with Caroline, Andrea, Pierre and Charlotte.

Albert appears to have good relationships with his sisters and cousins. And hopefully his children.

He appears content.

 

[Lighthouse]

I wonder why I thought a Roman Catholic would ever consider marriage?

 

[Bones]

Why not let PA and CW enjoy their relationship (whatever it is) without any pressure?

At present they are free agents, they're having a good time, he has an interesting job with many perks, and the adulation of many - especially women.

They have plenty of time to have kids - or not. And can we assume that one or the other would welcome children?

We used to live in times when people had to live up to certain expectations. That is no longer the case. Men and women can make individual decisions about their lifestyle, and that includes people in the public eye.

I wish them luck.

I hope this doesn't break the rules, but I just wanted to say ditto to that.

 

[Kellianca]

Perhaps Ms. Wittstock is not getting pregnant because either she is holding out for marriage and becoming true Princess of Monaco, or perhaps Prince Albert is not having any carnal relations with her. Again, I think she is just for show. Observe them from time to time.

 

[DuedePhiladelphia]

Why not let PA and CW enjoy their relationship (whatever it is) without any pressure?

At present they are free agents, they're having a good time, he has an interesting job with many perks, and the adulation of many - especially women.

They have plenty of time to have kids - or not. And can we assume that one or the other would welcome children?

We used to live in times when people had to live up to certain expectations. That is no longer the case. Men and women can make individual decisions about their lifestyle, and that includes people in the public eye.

I wish them luck.

Image is everything.. PR knew it.... so did beloved PgRACE...... Albert was my favorite Monaco royal after his parents but if he acted this way when his father was alive.. showcasing his girlfriends at official events I wouldnt even think about it.. but he waited until fathers death to showcase his girlfriends at events especially the events that Grace poured her heart and soul into without the image of marriage.. I stated before the Rose/Red BALLS would take on a more family/team air if he was married to CW instead of a girlfriend getting all the benefits of a princess.. The benefits that Grace sacrifeced so much for.

 

[Renata4711]

I agree. That's why I think it's grossly unfair for any one to discuss PA's and CW's private sphere, especially speculation on whether or not they have a carnal relationship.

Do we really want to stoop to the attitude of paparazzi or BUNTE's scribblers?

Anyway, I found this astrological chart for Charlene. Can anyone enlighten us as to its meaning?


Astrologie : Charlene WITTSTOCK, née le 25/01/1978, thème astral, biographie, photo et carte du ciel avec Astrotheme

 

[Jaya]

I hope there is a happy ending for the couple we write of so often in whatever way they want it

 

[Sofiero]

If their relationship was hot, they could be married today, but what is the brake that makes everything happen with a slow motion. Slow success creates bad output.

 

[Bine221]

It seems, I am conservative, but I think, it is his DUTY to marry. That´s the position he´s been born in. Full Stop.

Can you tell me ONE reigning royal, who did not marry?
I completely understand, that it is not easy finding the correct wife for this role (especially as Gracia was an icon in her position -- and Caroline has a lot of grace and style, too), but
1) he has had enough time
2) it seems, that he has the right person now.

In my eyes it really seems, that there is a deep love between those two, which already lasts since a couple of years now. And to me Charlene would be a real asset to the Monegasque Family.
I rather think, that he still wants to give her some time to prepare and to learn better dealing with the press... but sooner or later this "preparation time" should be finished.

Of course there is the possibility to bring Carolines children to the throne - this has happened in other countries as well, where the Souvereign did not produce a heir, such as Belgium as an example..... but the difference is, that i.e. Bauduin & Fabiola had several miscarriages, whereas Albert DID NOT YET TRY IT UNTIL NOW.... (and children like Alexandre does not count here, they are already excluded from the throne).

As mentionned, just my opinion
BYe Bine

 

[sandsla]

I agree. That's why I think it's grossly unfair for any one to discuss PA's and CW's private sphere, especially speculation on whether or not they have a carnal relationship.

Do we really want to stoop to the attitude of paparazzi or BUNTE's scribblers?

Anyway, I found this astrological chart for Charlene. Can anyone enlighten us as to its meaning?


Astrologie : Charlene WITTSTOCK, née le 25/01/1978, thème astral, biographie, photo et carte du ciel avec Astrotheme

Generally speaking I would completely agree with you, but it is Albert and Charlene themselves that have done everything possible to promote this relationship publicly, in fact it would seem that it may be the primary reason that it exist?

Personally I find it kind of tacky and immature to flaunt ones personal life in the press, especially a man in Albert's position. Renata, if they had handled their relationship very differently, I most certainly would agree with you, but from what I've seen and read, one gets the idea that they seem to actually enjoy the speculation, if not helping themselves in creating it?

I hope Albert take another tactic next time around because he does a lot of good things that get ignored when he undermines himself by publicizing what is meant to be his personal life. .

 

[Renata4711]

I agree with you when you say that PA sometimes seems to "mix up" his private and public lives.

Once you are in the limelight, there is no going back, and I guess PA wants to "have his cake and eat it", i.e. he wants lots of publicity for his Foundation, his interest in sport and the Olympics, the environment etc.

The same goes for his personal relationships. But both PA and CW knew what they were letting themselves in for: a life full of photographers, writers and other media people. He was brought up to live such a life. and CW seems to relish being a "personality".

 

[goody7058]

Can somebody answer this question for me? Hola magazine has said it tension and crisis in PA & CW relationship because of his son coming to Monaco all the time. Are they saying Alex is coming between PA & CW.

 

[Bones]

Just speaking in general, I would just *love* to see any member of the Grimaldi family find the right person, have a nice church wedding, have a handful of children and stayed married 'till death shall part them'. I would really like to see that happen, just to show that it can happen if for no other reason...

 

[Jaya]

Just speaking in general, I would just *love* to see any member of the Grimaldi family find the right person, have a nice church wedding, have a handful of children and stayed married 'till death shall part them'. I would really like to see that happen, just to show that it can happen if for no other reason...

My dear Bones,
Amen!

 

[Jaya]

It seems, I am conservative, but I think, it is his DUTY to marry. That´s the position he´s been born in. Full Stop.

Can you tell me ONE reigning royal, who did not marry?
I completely understand, that it is not easy finding the correct wife for this role (especially as Gracia was an icon in her position -- and Caroline has a lot of grace and style, too), but
1) he has had enough time
2) it seems, that he has the right person now.

In my eyes it really seems, that there is a deep love between those two, which already lasts since a couple of years now. And to me Charlene would be a real asset to the Monegasque Family.
I rather think, that he still wants to give her some time to prepare and to learn better dealing with the press... but sooner or later this "preparation time" should be finished.

Of course there is the possibility to bring Carolines children to the throne - this has happened in other countries as well, where the Souvereign did not produce a heir, such as Belgium as an example..... but the difference is, that i.e. Bauduin & Fabiola had several miscarriages, whereas Albert DID NOT YET TRY IT UNTIL NOW.... (and children like Alexandre does not count here, they are already excluded from the throne).

As mentionned, just my opinion
BYe Bine

Perhaps you have made some points here but you cannot "force" someone into marriage because of having to acquiecse to the nuptials on the excuse that it is one's "duty"and that everybody else has done it.It is true that Miss Wittsock has a long tenure now by the side of the Prince but that does not mean that he must acquiecse to marriage or anything else.What this relationship has above all others is that neither Prince Albert nor Charlene have forced anything on each other.I think they realize timing is important and that they must not marry for the wrong reasons so as not to part for the right ones.I think that theirs has a beauty of its own and a freedom that does not come from the dead faith of the living in a traditional sense which is connected with any of the words regarding their positions.They are both iconoclastic when it comes to doing things traditionally and the way they are expected to. So we cross our fingers and wait.It is just my opinion but Pa and Cw are not as pragmatic as you would wish them to be. Had that been the case they would have married quickly and had a half a dozen children by now.
However we wait watch and hope the best for them.

 

[agogo]

Are there any published interviews given by Charlene? I have never heard her speak. It is difficult for me to judge what type of a person she is because I don't know much about her. She was a comptetive swimmer. She seems to have a cheerful upbeat personality. She is patient. Prince Albert has been pursued by and introduced to all types of women. He has stayed with Charlene for many years. There must be special chemistry.

 

[Renata4711]

Jaya's contribution is one of the best and most level-headed in this thread, I think.

Her comment about PA and CW not being very pragmatic really made me think.

I just hope that their relationship prospers, whether they get married or not.

 

[DuedePhiladelphia]

Prince Albert II of Monaco and Charlene Wittstock at the 2009
FIA prize presentation gala in Monaco December 11, 2009.

On pic 3 you can see a solar car, the Nuna 5.


** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 ** Pic 3 ** belga **

I think its a couple of reasons why Albert hasnt married. One being ego- the day he announces a engagement will be the day that he will be eclipsed by his fiance. The other being the marriage contract for the ruling family- any child born into the marriage must remain in Monaco even if the marriage has ended- I think this would be hard pill to swallow in the 21st century.

I really think he need a over haul in the public relations department- His father and mother was masters at this. Rainier, I believe didnt mind being eclipsed by Grace- he was always thinking about the good that would bring Monaco.

Albert never showcased his girlfriends around Rainier- but yet he waited until father passed to bring Charlene to the fore front- almost making making her apart of the family without the benefit of marriage- escorts him to functions, balls, recieving bouquets as if she was a princess in the family etc. All the things his mother gave up to marry Rainier and the years of work to be accepted by the citizens of Monaco to me its a slap in Graces' face they way Albert is acting

I read on another forum that they look like the Duke and Duchess Windsor when they go about thier travels. { no substance}

Unless he and Caroline has some sort of arrangement- he is putting Andreas life in limbo----what if this, what if that...... are u going to marry and produce a legal heir??????????? You are 51 years old, now

Rainier and Grace was TEAM.. now we have this

 

[Renata4711]

Almost 52 !

Sorry to disagree with you, Due, but Grace and Rainier were from a different age - I should know because I watched their wedding in 1956 on TV

Albert is from a more modern age where social conventions don't matter quite so much, and where people have more leeway in expectations of behaviour, lifestyle etc.

I believe that every human being has to make their own life choices, without too much interference from others.

Perhaps the comparison to the Windsors in the Thirties is not quite so relevant, and Wallis was divorced - which, presumably, Charlene is not.

In any case, nobody would bat an eyelid regarding Charlene being single or divorced.

 

[Sofiero]

I agree. That's why I think it's grossly unfair for any one to discuss PA's and CW's private sphere, especially speculation on whether or not they have a carnal relationship.

Do we really want to stoop to the attitude of paparazzi or BUNTE's scribblers?

Anyway, I found this astrological chart for Charlene. Can anyone enlighten us as to its meaning?


Astrologie : Charlene WITTSTOCK, née le 25/01/1978, thème astral, biographie, photo et carte du ciel avec Astrotheme

According to this link she was born in Johannesburg in South Africa, that must be wrong in stead of her facebook tells in Bulawayo in the formal Rhodesia and current Zimbabwe

 

[Renata4711]

Wikipedia has her birthplace as Bulawayo, but a You Tube link has it as Benoni.

 

[Miss Garnett]

This is going on a bit too long now with nothing formal happening. If she is THE ONE... marry her....... if not, set her free !! Its not like he is in the first flush of youth or saving like mad for a wedding.

 

[Jaya]

This is going on a bit too long now with nothing formal happening. If she is THE ONE... marry her....... if not, set her free !! Its not like he is in the first flush of youth or saving like mad for a wedding.

I agree and disagree . They Pa and Cw have to marry "each other" as opposed to Pa marrying Cw.I , personally think that if CW had left for a while to go home and gather her thoughts Pa would have gone after her.Still CW is free to leave for a while {as I do not think either of these two are hostage takers} if she still has that self-esteem to create this into a bigger love story than it is presently;to create a cliffhanger; and have Pa go to her Father and ask for her hand.Then we would see the identical formality of Rainier when he turned up in Philadelphia that Christmas of 55 to ask for the hand of Grace at her home.
I agree on not having to save for the nuptials.I also agree that it is dragging on interminably without any intimation as to what will or might actually happen.

 

[DuedePhiladelphia]

I agree and disagree . They Pa and Cw have to marry "each other" as opposed to Pa marrying Cw.I , personally think that if CW had left for a while to go home and gather her thoughts Pa would have gone after her.Still CW is free to leave for a while {as I do not think either of these two are hostage takers} if she still has that self-esteem to create this into a bigger love story than it is presently;to create a cliffhanger; and have Pa go to her Father and ask for her hand.Then we would see the identical formality of Rainier when he turned up in Philadelphia that Christmas of 55 to ask for the hand of Grace at her home.
I agree on not having to save for the nuptials.I also agree that it is dragging on interminably without any intimation as to what will or might actually happen.

Love yr post, Jaya

I may sound a bit old fashioned but to me she has been compromised severely she darn near lives with the Prince.

For being a head of a catholic country this is mind blowing. One wonders what the Pope said to him

I always thought that royalty as a families that cling to old world ideas in a modern fashion in this day and age.
As I stated b4 he needs a over haul in the PR department-

Is Charlene chaperoned? when they go out? especially abroad?
I read on other posts that she appears to be a kept woman- I think that is harsh but it does appear that way.

Personally, I think he a CW have a nice "arrangement" between them. If she was a true gold digger she would have gotten pregnant by now and cashing checks