Press Reports about Carl Philip and Sofia Hellqvist, Part 1: Jan. 2010 - April 2012


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What? You didn't do anything in your teenage years what could be hold against you now in a worst way if you would hypotetically date a prince? If your answer is yes you're either lying or you're not aware what could be "bad" enough in your case.

Suddenly she wouldn't the right one for CP because she ... drove drunk? Tried drugs? Skipped math classes? Used a little white lie in a job interview?
wow seariously, just because i didnt do exactly anything that would go against me now, im not aware of what "bad" things are?
but is it me or you who dont know???
be careful guys because skipping classes or doing a little lie in a job interview is the same as posing nude!!!:lol::lol: :ROFLMAO:
 
I am not at all Sophia's fan,by the way I think if she could be really appreciated by most people only time will tell. Of course all her charity projects are more like PR(it's my point) in order to reveal her positive characteristics before an eventual engagement. Does Sophia have any great achievements?
No, she doesn't . I think she catched prince's eye mostly due to her beauty and character. She is very sure and in a way proud of herself, that's without doubt.
But I really think if any princess dated a man ( an actor maybe) who posed nude,it wouldn't have been so great discussion of his past.
I think Mette-Marrit was more accepted at the time, as she seemed quite shy and didn't seem very confident of herself.As to the other princesses or ladies, of course there were some incidents. For example, before an eventual engagement, future lady Frederick Windsor,the actress Sophie Winkleman had rather scandalous role in "Love Live Long" ,masturbating in some scenes.But even she wasn't expected to be a princess, the movie was prohibited on Britain's territory. Of course, she is an actress and it's her choice. It was argued that nothing was scandalous as her boyfriend had nothing against this role. But here is the past and the eventual title of princess, that's the matter I guess.
 
wow seariously, just because i didnt do exactly anything that would go against me now, im not aware of what "bad" things are?
but is it me or you who dont know???

I didn't say that. Read my post again and than write a better comment.

be careful guys because skipping classes or doing a little lie in a job interview is the same as posing nude!!!:lol::lol: :ROFLMAO:

Yes, in a way it is. All three are no crimes but nothing to be proud of (in case of the nude pics it is if they're not very professional or elegant like it unfortunatly happened with Sofia). All three are just as bad when it comes to being a public person who's behavor is an example. If the public person wants it or not.
 
Posing nude with a snake isn't murder. Vanessa Williams posed nude and it didn't mean she did not end up being a respectable woman and mother.
Women are catty towards each other; there are those who can't stand Kate Middleton because she never had a full time job. With Sophie's past it was bound to bring out the high chair crowd who judge people by their past, not by their present. Is Sophie the ideal Princess, heck no; but I've always said the people on this board have no say on who Carl Philip chooses to date.
I definitely understand the desire to stop hearing the same blasts towards Sophie over and over again. There does come a time when one needs to get over it.
If Sophie came to CP correct and told the truth and he accepted who she once was then that shows his character. If his parents have done the same, that shows where his character has come from.
 
tired of this...
i just have a question, and im too lazy to look 104 pages. i know this has been discussed way back, as i didnt catch it, whats Sofia natural color??? because i know isnt that black.
at least i like one thing about her, is that she is a beauty!^^
 
Posing nude with a snake isn't murder. Vanessa Williams posed nude and it didn't mean she did not end up being a respectable woman and mother.

The difference being that the pageant organization at the time did not "fire" Vanessa Williams. She, upon the advice of her manager/attorney and family recognized that remaining in the role of Miss America would do harm to the title and organization. I'm sure there must have been pressure from the organization but she herself stated that she chose to give up her title. Sofia on the other hand choose to behave as if the choices she made in her life do not have consequences and impact on her current situation.

In addition, it took quite a while for Vanessa Williams to "rehab" her reputation, even with successful album sales and work in the industry she faced years of criticism and prejudice...and she actually had TALENT!

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Actually she is a perfect example to compare to Sofia. Both made regrettable choices at a very young age to pose nude for a photographer. Vanessa, who was at least 18 at the time of the photo shoot, claims that she never signed a waiver for their publication (facts which were verified when Hugh Hefner was initially offered them and declined because "...they clearly weren't authorized...") and never intended for them to appear in Penthouse. Sofia, who was 15 or 16 on at least some of the topless photo shoots, knew that these would be at least published in a portfolio and has stated that she wanted a modeling career.

Vanessa was in college at the time of her photo shoot studying music performance. She went on to win the Miss America crown and - prior to the photos being published - received hate mail and death threats...purely because she was African-American. Even though she resigned her title and did not complete her duties, the pageant organization still officially recognizes her and she remains popular and iconic in the pageant world.

Four years after her photos were published and relinquishing her title, Williams released her first album. Three years later her second album went to #1, and while continuing her recording career she expanded her acting career in feature films and now on television.

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Sofia, who ironically was born the same year Williams' photos were published, dropped out of high school. Approximately four or five years after her first topless photo shoot, Sofia posed for the now famous boa constrictor photos and became Miss Slitz 2004. The following year she appeared in the reality program Paradise Hotel and then moved to New York to live with a married man and studied to become a yoga teacher. She "tweeted" about making out with porn star Jenna Jameson during a visit to Las Vegas. She used that same method of communication when she later met and began a relationship with CP when she tweeted "I'm dating the prince!" Since June of last year she has been living with him.

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It is difficult to compare the two women because even at a casual glance Vanessa is MUCH more talented and accomplished. Even when comparing their cv's at the same age, Sofia falls far short. IMO Sofia is not ugly but her makeup and styling choices until recently have been rather trashy. And now, because to keep her position secure she has tried to alter her image to appear respectable. There is nothing wrong with that other than the fact that is artificial. What was wrong with being respectable before? Her lack of education notwithstanding, Sofia does not appear to be an idiot. Why then choose of path to fame by posing semi-nude? Maybe because she didn't have anything else to offer? While Vanessa may have been dishonest on her pageant application and made the unfortunate choice of posing in the first place, she has consistently - even from a very young age - presented herself in a very elegant manner, and subsequently in her life with a great deal of dignity.

Even so, it is now almost 30 years since Vanessa's "scandal" broke. And while it isn't mentioned in every television interview or live appearance - the photos, and the consequences of her choices are mentioned in almost every written article about her. I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure she doesn't get through an entire year of her life without someone mentioning it or asking her about it.

So if a former Miss America who is generally viewed as beautiful, talented, intelligent, elegant, good mother, etc. has the information about her "disgrace" regularly mentioned in reference to her almost 30 years later - then what can be expected in 30 years for Sofia if she maintains her relationship with CP? Even the discussion of Sofia's work with charity has hints of scandal both for her motives (only doing it to be seen as "acceptable") and her actions (having charitable donations deposited into her personal bank account). Based on results so far, she only seems to be changing superficial things without doing anything to truly better herself as a person. She appears to only do things to meet her originally stated aspiration of being "famous". It's like putting a fresh coat of paint on a house and not dealing with plumbing leaks and cracked walls on the inside.

An internet search brings up Sofia's nude and semi-nude images from the last ten years. If things stay as they are, 30 years from now they will be readily available, just as Vanessa's photos from 30 years ago are.
 
I still think there's something quite sexist about insinuating a woman is trashy and worthless because she appeared nude. Like it or not, we live in a culture that tells young women they need to be incredibly sexy to have value and then tells them they're worthless whores if they go ahead and do it.

Sophia didn't come from money. She probably saw some of those choices as her only shot to not wait tables for the rest of her life. I'm not going to fault someone for that- even if I don't particularly care for the method, I understand why young women sometimes go that right. She was looking for fame and the financial security that comes with it, and I don't think it's right to call her trash for the rest of her life because of it.

Honestly, at this point... I hope they get married. I hope it's an incredible wedding and she looks beautiful. He obviously loves her, and she's trying hard to fix her image so she'll be an appropriate consort, and I'd much rather see that than see him end up married to some proper lady that he doesn't really love.
 
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It actually wasn't Sofia's nude pictures to which I was referring when I used the word "trashy". It was more to do with her choices of clothing, makeup, and overall behavior.

I have nothing against nudity but most people I know understand the "hierarchy" of at least the US-published men's magazines. Generally Playboy is considered the closest to elegant or dignified and its pictorials in general have a more respectable and/or artistic style than the other men's magazines, including ones in which the women are clothed - like FHM, which I am assuming is similar, if perhaps more professionally done, to Slitz in Sweden. Sofia's pictures - both fully nude and semi-nude - were similar to what one would find in Penthouse which is a little further down the trashy scale. While her photographs may BE trashy, the choice to pose nude IMO is not.

Her other behaviors and photos of her in her everyday life are the basis for the description. Living with a married man may be considered trashy by some. Tweeting about making out with a porn star is not something a refined, elegant, discreet, professional woman does (and where is the tweet, "I just got to build a school for underprivileged children"? or "I just got to meet the president of Finland!"?). Based on her choices about how she has presented herself to the world for the majority of her adult life she can be labeled as trashy. I would commend her for trying to change her image and how she is perceived if I believed that her motives were for more than to achieve fame...but as previously stated she has done nothing to indicate that any of these changes are sincere, lasting, or selfless.
 
Vanessa William's scandal is mentioned as a footnote as to how she overcame it and didn't let it define who she was or where she was going. Perhaps there are still people whining about her nude photos but Vanessa herself has moved on ages ago. If Carl Philip and Sofia get married then in 10yrs you can continue to whine about her photographs and how unfit she is to be a princess...I highly doubt Sofia or Carl Philip will care at all about someone who refuses to let go of the past.
Women are catty towards each other and will always find something to hate on each other for, and Sofia will just have to learn to live with it if she indeed plans to marry CP.

Sophia didn't come from money. She probably saw some of those choices as her only shot to not wait tables for the rest of her life. I'm not going to fault someone for that- even if I don't particularly care for the method, I understand why young women sometimes go that right. She was looking for fame and the financial security that comes with it, and I don't think it's right to call her trash for the rest of her life because of it.

I agree, I don't fault women who have made the choice to take their clothes off for money. Is it the choice I would make...he11 to the naw. But I do understand and know some women who have stripped to get through college or to pay their bills. It doesn't define them or make them a bad person.

Honestly, at this point... I hope they get married. I hope it's an incredible wedding and she looks beautiful. He obviously loves her, and she's trying hard to fix her image so she'll be an appropriate consort, and I'd much rather see that than see him end up married to some proper lady that he doesn't really love.

I'm also there with you. All this bitterness towards her makes me long for an engagement and huge wedding just to piss certain people off. From what I know of the couple I would prefer them to wait a while longer and I can't necessarily say if they will marry and remain married. Would I personally prefer him find somebody else, yes; but I don't know CP or Sophia and it is not my choice. If she is trying to better herself than more power to her. And as I said months ago, if CPs parents accept her then there must be something good about her.
 
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i dont hate her and i dont like her, if she marries CP, i would care less, he is not a crown prince, he can do whatever he wants, and Sofia too, she doesnt mean nothing to me, so if she marries him, good for her i guess.
the thing is, posing nude for some people it is "bad", i think its bad, and it all depends on a person's education, values, religion and traditions. some of you think its normal, ok i understand that and the things about not having fault, respect, choice, etc... but where is you're respect for those who think its "bad"??? not everyone has being raised the same, and im not saying im better than you because im not, but all this respect talk about Sofia but you cant even respect us who disagree with you.
 
You can think its bad all you want. The problem is writing off a woman forever because of it, especially when it seems she is trying to better herself.
 
At the end of the day it dosn't really matter what we all think of this girl as an individual. But if Royal families are going to exist then they have to adhere to high standards otherwise what's the point of them. If a Princess has posed nude in mens magazines for example what kind of respect will that garner? I think we all know the answer to that one.
 
but thats exactly that issue, i think its only a fake image shes building up. but its just my opinion and i might be wrong too because i dont know her in person but...well you dont know her too.
i just dont put my hands on fire for people i dont know.
 
Well, I think here's much ado about nothing in fact. A man fell in love with a woman,even he's a prince,it's his choice and life. I don't see any sense in either criticizing severly or praysing/justifying Sophia. I think too that the image they try to build now is rather fake, but it doesn't mean that there are no hypocrites among well-educated ladies.
Only future will tell if their match could be considered really happy and prince's choice right,like in any other case.
 
Your discussion today really entertains me, but it leaves one question unanswered. Why is it okay to compare Sofias current situation with the past situation of Vanessa Williams but everyone starts screaming bloody murder if anyone dares to compare her to the past situation of Mette-Marit? Or Maxima? Or Letizia? Can anyone give me an answer to that? Because it's clearly to much for my poor little brain.
 
Your discussion today really entertains me, but it leaves one question unanswered. Why is it okay to compare Sofias current situation with the past situation of Vanessa Williams but everyone starts screaming bloody murder if anyone dares to compare her to the past situation of Mette-Marit? Or Maxima? Or Letizia? Can anyone give me an answer to that? Because it's clearly to much for my poor little brain.
I see nothing wrong in comparing Sophia's past situation and that of other princesses. In fact nobody is saint. But what's the purpose of comparisons?
Usually comparisons are hurtful in this meaning of past.
 
:previous: It happens here on a regular basis that someone compares Sofiaswith Mette Marit (nude fotos vs drug use) to show that someone definitel can change and move on from the past. I did it myself a few times to show that MM used drugs(which is a crime) while Sofia only posed nude (which is just embaressing at the most but not a crime) and MM gets respected now for what she does while Sofia apparently won't get any respect in 5, 10 or even 15 years from now when she really marries CP because she once posed nude. And that's clearly not okay. But everytime when it comes to this the mods or some users pop up and say that we are not allowed to compare Sofia with MM or any other princess for some reason or another. Mostly because this isn't a thread about MM or whomever. That's why I asked why it's okay to bring VW into this. Because this clearly also isn't athread about VW.
 
well i think the apple does not fall too far from the tree. i don't think its a surprise he was attracted to her and her past.

considering his father and all the sordid allegations of his behavior affairs strip clubs and sex parties .. so why are people up in arms when he dates a former nude model and reality star. and its not like his father can condemn him .the king is in a weak position what can he say?

so because of the kings own personal weakness Sweden will probably get a former nude/bikini model reality star princess but hey if they love each other and are happy who cares. soon Victoria will have her baby and then hopefully a couple more

... and no one will care much about CP and Madeleine and who they marry and involve themselves with
 
well i think the apple does not fall too far from the tree. i don't think its a surprise he was attracted to her and her past.

considering his father and all the sordid allegations of his behavior affairs strip clubs and sex parties .. so why are people up in arms when he dates a former nude model and reality star. and its not like his father can condemn him .the king is in a weak position what can he say?

so because of the kings own personal weakness Sweden will probably get a former nude/bikini model reality star princess but hey if they love each other and are happy who cares. soon Victoria will have her baby and then hopefully a couple more

... and no one will care much about CP and Madeleine and who they marry and involve themselves with

This sums up everything I think. If Sweden is OK with having Sofia as their next Princess, then who are non-Swedes to complain? It's their monarchy.
 
Whatever rumors are going about about the King the one fact is that he married a beautiful, charming and respectable woman who didn't have a questionable past and made her his queen. So how exactly is that anything like Carl Philip and Sofia? I guess it's just selective memory in trying to bash Carl Philip and his father in one sentence.
I do see a comparison between Sofia and Mette-Marit, but I don't really get the Letizia comparison; I admit I know little about her or her past but from what I do know she had a respectable job in the news industry. And I recall the problems with Maxima had more to do with her father than her.
 
If a woman has dated a prince or royal for a long period of time, if they had serious baggage or had done something really bad, it would have come out. Someone would be looking into their past, especially if the couple has been dating or involved with each other for a long time.

A woman who has been involved with a prince or royal who doesn't have anything in their past come out after a long period of dating or being a couple, probably doesn't have anything really bad in their past. I'm sure that there are things they have probably done in their past that they aren't proud of, but it doesn't rise to the level of being an issue or being scandalous. Minor things perhaps.

If Sofia Hellqvist marries Prince Carl, she will have to prove to others that she's worthy to be a princess. Other non-royal women whose past has been less filled with scandal have had to do the same.
 
Grandma828 said:
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Please don't put religion in this.

She who wants to date a prince shall come under scrutiny;)

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The difference being that the pageant organization at the time did not "fire" Vanessa Williams. She, upon the advice of her manager/attorney and family recognized that remaining in the role of Miss America would do harm to the title and organization. I'm sure there must have been pressure from the organization but she herself stated that she chose to give up her title. Sofia on the other hand choose to behave as if the choices she made in her life do not have consequences and impact on her current situation.

In addition, it took quite a while for Vanessa Williams to "rehab" her reputation, even with successful album sales and work in the industry she faced years of criticism and prejudice...and she actually had TALENT!

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Actually she is a perfect example to compare to Sofia. Both made regrettable choices at a very young age to pose nude for a photographer. Vanessa, who was at least 18 at the time of the photo shoot, claims that she never signed a waiver for their publication (facts which were verified when Hugh Hefner was initially offered them and declined because "...they clearly weren't authorized...") and never intended for them to appear in Penthouse. Sofia, who was 15 or 16 on at least some of the topless photo shoots, knew that these would be at least published in a portfolio and has stated that she wanted a modeling career.

Vanessa was in college at the time of her photo shoot studying music performance. She went on to win the Miss America crown and - prior to the photos being published - received hate mail and death threats...purely because she was African-American. Even though she resigned her title and did not complete her duties, the pageant organization still officially recognizes her and she remains popular and iconic in the pageant world.

Four years after her photos were published and relinquishing her title, Williams released her first album. Three years later her second album went to #1, and while continuing her recording career she expanded her acting career in feature films and now on television.

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Sofia, who ironically was born the same year Williams' photos were published, dropped out of high school. Approximately four or five years after her first topless photo shoot, Sofia posed for the now famous boa constrictor photos and became Miss Slitz 2004. The following year she appeared in the reality program Paradise Hotel and then moved to New York to live with a married man and studied to become a yoga teacher. She "tweeted" about making out with porn star Jenna Jameson during a visit to Las Vegas. She used that same method of communication when she later met and began a relationship with CP when she tweeted "I'm dating the prince!" Since June of last year she has been living with him.

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It is difficult to compare the two women because even at a casual glance Vanessa is MUCH more talented and accomplished. Even when comparing their cv's at the same age, Sofia falls far short. IMO Sofia is not ugly but her makeup and styling choices until recently have been rather trashy. And now, because to keep her position secure she has tried to alter her image to appear respectable. There is nothing wrong with that other than the fact that is artificial. What was wrong with being respectable before? Her lack of education notwithstanding, Sofia does not appear to be an idiot. Why then choose of path to fame by posing semi-nude? Maybe because she didn't have anything else to offer? While Vanessa may have been dishonest on her pageant application and made the unfortunate choice of posing in the first place, she has consistently - even from a very young age - presented herself in a very elegant manner, and subsequently in her life with a great deal of dignity.

Even so, it is now almost 30 years since Vanessa's "scandal" broke. And while it isn't mentioned in every television interview or live appearance - the photos, and the consequences of her choices are mentioned in almost every written article about her. I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure she doesn't get through an entire year of her life without someone mentioning it or asking her about it.

So if a former Miss America who is generally viewed as beautiful, talented, intelligent, elegant, good mother, etc. has the information about her "disgrace" regularly mentioned in reference to her almost 30 years later - then what can be expected in 30 years for Sofia if she maintains her relationship with CP? Even the discussion of Sofia's work with charity has hints of scandal both for her motives (only doing it to be seen as "acceptable") and her actions (having charitable donations deposited into her personal bank account). Based on results so far, she only seems to be changing superficial things without doing anything to truly better herself as a person. She appears to only do things to meet her originally stated aspiration of being "famous". It's like putting a fresh coat of paint on a house and not dealing with plumbing leaks and cracked walls on the inside.

An internet search brings up Sofia's nude and semi-nude images from the last ten years. If things stay as they are, 30 years from now they will be readily available, just as Vanessa's photos from 30 years ago are.

Once again...round of applause!! Well said:)

At least Vanessa Williams showed remorse for her decisions. Sofia seemed to like her past just fine before she met the prince and now all of a sudden she's on damage control (charity, etc). If that doesn't tell you the type of person she is I don't know what does.
 
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You can accept her or not. Either way it is not our decision and it seems she is here to stay. Might as well have a positive attitude about who she is now, as opposed t
 
but it doesnt mean we are obligated to like her, one thing is accepting (we have no choice), but other thing is to like her. im sure there are people out there who dislike Mette Marit but have come to accept her, same goes for Sofia, if she marries CP many will hate her, bash her but will eventually accept her.
not matter what, Victoria will be soon having a baby (heir) and that means that ALL Swedish media and people will give their attention towards that, even if Sofia gets to be a princess, she will be irrelevant, as Victoria is the main protagonist (favourite member of the swedish royal family by far) and soon her baby and all those that will come after that.
 
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MM and Sofia cannot be compared, one will be Queen, the other, even as the wife of CP, is not important at all.

If there is a marriage and CG is smart, he will give Sofia a title HH (and not HRH) Duchess of Värmland and thats it. Siimilar to the husbands of the Spanish infantas. If the marriage goes bust, she is Sofia H. again.

There is a trend to keep Royal Houses small going forward (see Sverre Magnus as spare to IA not even he has the HRH title) therefore this would make sense (similar for Madeleine's future husband).
 
When I first read about the change in succession laws that were passed in the 70's I thought it was really unfair to CP, now, phew... I cannot imagine what would happen if Sophia were to be Crown princess
 
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Chances are the Sofia would not be in the picture if the succession laws were not made retroactive to Victoria's birth. The two eldest siblings - Victoria and Carl Philip - would have been raised differently, Carl Philip would have been 'groomed' to be King from the get go. He wouldn't have been flitting through his adult life at university and car races as long as he has - he would have had the same, possibly even more dedicated, education/training that Victoria was given. If Carl Philip was Crown Prince, I'm also sure that had he entered into a relationship with Sofia, it would have been shut down quite quickly after the nude photos came to light. Marriage would be 95% out of the question.

Basically, IMO we can't say 'Thank god Sofia won't be Crown Princess because of the succession changes!' because everything in Carl Philip's life would have been different (well, except maybe being mummy's favourite boy).
 
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