Non-British Styles and Titles

[Countessmeout]

The same reason the Napoleons still use their titles and so on.

Miguel was deposed as king. And there are still those who see his line as the rightful claimants to the throne. For those who believe Miguel, and his line, are the rightful rulers, Maria had no right to strip her Uncle of such titles.

George V is a totally different matter. He was the undisputed king, and he had the right to make such changes. He didn't strip Prince Louis Sr (father of Lord Mountbatten) of anything. Louis chose to follow suit of the king and others and drop his German titles. He accepted Marquiss of Milford-Haven instead, turning down a dukedom in the process.

Considering German titles were abolished only 2 years after Louis Sr gave up his German title, they didn't fair too bad. They actually have a title, and not a courtesy title not recognized by the state.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Thank you for responding to my question!

Miguel was deposed as king. And there are still those who see his line as the rightful claimants to the throne. For those who believe Miguel, and his line, are the rightful rulers, Maria had no right to strip her Uncle of such titles.

George V is a totally different matter. He was the undisputed king, [...]

Interesting. Assuming that is indeed the reason for the double standard, the natural question is why is it that royalty fans today, at least in the English-speaking world, view Queen Maria II as a usurper and Miguel as the rightful ruler? That is especially strange since modern-day royalty fans typically side with the victorious claimant in historical succession wars (most believe the Hanover kings were the rightful rulers of Britain and not the Jacobite Stuarts, for example) and King Miguel is famous for his absolutism and ultratraditionalism (which most modern royalty watchers would claim to dislike).

And to use a different example, does this adequately explain why most royal watchers refuse to accept some of the decisions to deny or strip titles which have been implemented by the Spanish monarchs? It is true that King Felipe VI and his line are not undisputed monarchs either, but I was under the impression that no other line enjoys much support from royal watchers.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Note that the Duke of Bragança, who descends in direct legitimate male line from deposed King Miguel, recognizes Queen Maria II and her ruling descendants, not the pretenders descended from Miguel, as the true monarchs of Portugal.

https://casarealportuguesa.org/cronologia-dos-reis-de-portugal/

Ironic that the head of a deposed royal house is more progressive and accepting of reality than - apparently - most royal watchers (assuming the above explanation of their behavior is accurate).

 

[Tatiana Maria]

If anyone has any ideas on the matter, I would be very interested to learn them, as it still very much confounds me.


On an unrelated issue: Nearly all Europe's hereditary ruling families have adopted and begun to use official surnames for their princely members in at least certain situations (for example, the Swedish princes/ses mostly do not use surnames in legal documents but consistently use Bernadotte for professional purposes, while the Belgian blood princes/ses mostly do not use real surnames for professional purposes but use de Saxe-Cobourg or d'Autriche-Este in legal documents). However, the royal houses of Denmark and Norway are the exceptions, where surnames are never used for the princes and princesses (other than blood princesses who have taken their husbands' surnames).

Both of these royal houses belong to the House of Glücksburg/Glücksborg (as is the official name, not Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg as many wrongly claim). So I wonder if their refusal to use surnames is a favor to the former ruling family of Greece, which also belongs to the House of Glücksburg. The last former king of Greece often claimed that his family had no surname as one of his justifications for his family continuing to use titles which had been removed from them. If the Danish or Norwegian royals began using Glücksburg as an actual surname, that would obviously have undermined his argument.