LHBTQ+ Royalty

[maria-olivia]

I read the book "The last Bonaparte" , Mary's of Grece life. She was VERY rich, her Father was a Bonaparte her Mother was born Blanc (casinos of Monte carlo). In her book she had a deep shock, because Waldemar of Danemark was their uncle. Both Waldemar and George were married a had children. Marie Bonaparte was S.Freud's Student. They had a separate life and never divorced.
They were respectful people I have myself in my close family someone who is that but he never married. We have to be respectful also , they were born like this.

 

[Count]

The Omanians I know told me that it is an "open secret" that the Sultan is gay but although it's a non-topic for discussion people know and get on with it. The Sultan is much loved and respected as the progress in Oman is only due to his decidation and effort, people are not much interested in his private life. In terms of succession, as there is no heir, he has already taken care of the issue:
Line of succession to the Omani throne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When you ask to Omanians why the Sultan has not sons, the answer you receive is: "because he dedicated his whole life to the benefit of the Country and Omanians". They really love Sultan Qaboos, and if you go there you see how much he did and does for the country.
He married a cousin and tryied to have sons, unfortunately with no results, she lives now in the UK, as far as I know.

 

[rebbevb]

Im very confused about how it was found out that Prince Waldemar of Denmark and his nephew Prince George of Greece and Denmark were lovers. Could someone help me with this please ?

 

[rebbevb]

King William III (nee Prince William of Orange) brought his 16yr old lover Arnold Joost van Keppel (later the 1st earl of Albemarle) from Holland. Arnold is related to the Duchess Of Cornwall.

 

[maria-olivia]

rebbevb , in the royal families : "never explain , never complain "

 

[chaz]

I am sure

I am sure heirs could be found to continue the Monarchy in U.K.. This is the 21st century after all. Not like the times in which the entire Orleans Royal family was ousted,because of the King' of France's homosexual orgies in the Palace.

 

[maria-olivia]

Chaz , you are speaking about the monarchy in UK , and then about the Orleans and a King of France , which one ??

 

[rebbevb]

What r u talking about

rebbevb , in the royal families : "never explain , never complain "

Maria-Olivia do u have a problem with my post bc it sounds like u do? In the royal families : never explain, never complain what does that have to do with my post about King William III and his 16yr old lover who is related to the Duchess of Cornwall ?

 

[maria-olivia]

Rebbevb , no I was just talking about your item 274 !

 

[Boris]

Im very confused about how it was found out that Prince Waldemar of Denmark and his nephew Prince George of Greece and Denmark were lovers. Could someone help me with this please ?

What do you mean, "found out"?
There are quite a few biographies of Princess Marie Bonaparte out there which make interesting reading. Her own life leading from being a Bonaparte and heiress to the Blanc fortune to marrying into Royalty and finally becoming one of the first important female psychoanalysts is a fascinating one... and of course her husband's long lasting relationship with Prince Waldemar is mentioned.
Being far richer than either of them, she understandingly provided a very nice seperate lifestyle for the two by buying them a house in Paris to live in...
I don't understand what's confusing you?

 

[rebbevb]

Is there any proof that Prince Waldemar and his nephew Prince George of Greece where lovers ? I mean were they caught in bed together or what ?

 

[Warren]

Is there any proof that Prince Waldemar and his nephew Prince George of Greece where lovers ? I mean were they caught in bed together or what ?

rebbevb, you'll just have to accept the fact that Waldemar and George had an intimate relationship. It's historical record.
No-one burst into their bedroom, caught them en flagrante or took incriminating photographs, if that is what you are after.

 

[iakynthi]

Oh,God?To which George are you refering?Was he the son of George I,the first King of Greece?If yes,did he reign for a while?I think he did.

 

[Warren]

Prince George (1869-1957), 2nd son of George I, married 1907 Princess Marie Bonaparte (1882-1962).
King George II was the son of Constantine I.

 

[iakynthi]

Thank you,Warren!!It seems there are too many "Georges" in our history,anyone can get confused

 

[chaz]

Chaz , you are speaking about the monarchy in UK , and then about the Orleans and a King of France , which one ??

I thought this was a thread about heirs in the UK, if a Prince was gay,I merely sugested that it should be possible to find an heir. I used French monarchy as an illustration of the attitudes of an earlier time. It seems to me ,it is all of you who have carried this so far away from the original premise.

 

[Warren]

This thread is "Gay Royalty". There is no mention of heirs or Britain in the thread title. The first post just happens to refer to Prince William.

 

[rebbevb]

rebbevb, you'll just have to accept the fact that Waldemar and George had an intimate relationship. It's historical record.
No-one burst into their bedroom, caught them en flagrante or took incriminating photographs, if that is what you are after.

No Im not complaining im just trying to find out how it was found out i mean i doubt that they said we're lovers to everyone . so i was just wondering how it became known i mean do u understand what im saying Warren Im just confused about how it got out that they were lovers i mean if its a historical fact then someone must of told somebody and they must of had proof or it would be just a rumor do u get what im saying Warren

 

[Warren]

See post 281 above by Boris.
The fact the Princes spent so much time together over a very long period (including at times living together), Waldemar accompanying Prince George and Princess Marie on their honeymoon, and George's coffin containing a picture of Waldemar and a lock of his hair, may have given astute observers some clues as to the nature of the relationship.
If you want to source the nitty-gritty details you could read the biographies of Princess Marie Bonaparte.

 

[chaz]

I thought this was a thread about heirs in the UK, if a Prince was gay,I merely sugested that it should be possible to find an heir. I used French monarchy as an illustration of the attitudes of an earlier time. It seems to me ,it is all of you who have carried this so far away from the original premise.

No harm intended!

 

[Velasco]

OK, so I started reading through this thread but its too huge and the debates over whether homosexuality is genetic or not, gay sheep, the Duchess of Windsor being HRH or not, and so on...kinda tiresome.

Maybe we can begin compiling a "definitive" list?

King William II of England (rumoured)
King Richard I of England (rumoured)
King Edward II of England , with Piers Gaveston and others
King James I/VI of England and Scots, with his older cousin Esme Stuart and others
? Gaston Jean-Baptiste, Duc d'Orleans
Philippe de France, Duc d'Orleans, with Philippe Mancini (Cardinal Mazarin's nephew) and the Chevalier de Lorraine
King William III of England with Arnold Joost von Keppel and others
Infante Francisco of Spain, consort of Queen Isabella
Infante Luis of Spain, nephew of Q. Isabella and husband of Princess Amedee de Broglie
Ernest Louis, Grand Duke of Hesse
Prince Waldemar of Denmark and his nephew Prince George of Greece and Denmark
Prince George of Kent
Prince Louis Ferdinand of Prussia
Prince Aribert of Anhalt (?)
King Gustav V Adolf of Sweden (rumoured)
Prince Dimitri of Serbia with Alvaro Cuadrado
Sultan Qaabos of Oman (rumoured)

 

[Jacknch]

I would not expect any royal (or commoner) who is exclusively attracted in a sexual way to people of the same sex to attempt a relationship with someone of the opposite sex. It would show that they have a hang up about their own sexuality and if they are not prepared to accept themselves as they are, I cannot see how anyone else can acceot them either. So in short, I don't think it matters if a "gay" monarch existed because there are likely to be at least one brother, sister, neice or nephew to take on the crown in due course. Having a direct heir is not necessary.

 

[Boris]

I'd say that putting King Gustav V. Adolf in the 'rumored' category is unnecessary - his long relationship with Kurt Hjalby (which ended badly...) is a historic fact, just like him and his wife Queen Viktoria reaching a very amicable understanding about the matter.
Also, the current Omani ruler Sultan Qaboos is not merely 'rumored' to be gay but universally believed to be gay - it was never denied, his only marriage was brief, he doesn’t have any children and the succession issue is actually a troublesome in Oman right now.
Of course we can’t compare a gay Royal in the 21st century with gay Royals of the past. Attitudes towards being gay have changed so much (and so many times) in the past that each Royal has to be seen with his respective historic background – which might or might NOT have been more repressive than today.
As far as children are concerned, gays have fathered children since the beginning of mankind, and so have gay Royals. The matter of succession and of switching it to other family branches has never been as relaxed as today but rather been a highly important political issue. Of course in today’s world, I would hope for any gay Royal to be able to live exactly the kind of life which corresponds to his nature.
Still, producing an heir to continue the monarchy might unexpectedly become a necessity: The Swedish Royal family would be extinct by now if King Carl Gustaf didn’t have children. There were no other heirs qualifying but him and his childless uncle Prince Bertil. Even now, in the unlikely case of none of the Bernadotte children producing an heir(ess), it would be the end of the Swedish monarchy.

 

[Warren]

To avoid this thread being closed, it's worth repeating the ground rules:

• Before some members get too carried away with "naming names", a reminder that the thread is NOT to be used to peddle rumours.

• The only living persons who are to be named here are those who have outed themselves, eg Prince Dimitri, and those where it is an accepted fact, eg the Sultan of Oman.

• In the same manner, we will NOT indulge in fishing expeditions.

Thanks for everyone's cooperation.

Warren
Royal Forums Administrator

 

[Velasco]

Also, maybe it would be of interest to do a simplistic family tree linking some of the names, most of them have some Bourbon and/or BRF ancestors in common

 

[fearghas]

Prince Louis Ferdinand of Pussia? Or are you thinking of his uncle, Prince Eitle Friedrich?
You missed out a couple of Romanovs.

 

[Velasco]

Hmm...Don't know if I should even be posting in this thread still, but...

Louis Ferdinand was a lover of Prince George of Kent, if I recall correctly.

Which Romanovs? And who's Eitle Friedrich?

 

[fearghas]

Eitl Friedrich of Prussia was a son of Kaiser Wilhelm II. Grand Duke Sergei was rumoured to like men and there was a Grand Duke Michael who was well know. I'm not convinced about Louis Ferdinand, where did you hear/read this?

 

[Russophile]

Eitl Friedrich of Prussia was a son of Kaiser Wilhelm II. Grand Duke Sergei was rumoured to like men and there was a Grand Duke Michael who was well know. I'm not convinced about Louis Ferdinand, where did you hear/read this?

Regarding Sergei, there is nothing in history at this time to support that he was gay. Do I have my suspicions? Yes. But according to Christopher Warwick who wrote: Ella, Princess, Saint, Martyr, there is nothing to draw on, only speculation. It was not like KR who kept those details in a diary.

 

[MAfan]

I also have read somewhere, but I can't remember the source, something about a relationship between Louis Ferdinand and the Duke of Kent, and also a lot of stories of relationships between gay princes...I remember it also mentioned the Duke of Edinburgh, King Pavlos of Greece, the Earl Mountbatten of Burma, the Duke of Windsor, Prince Andreas of Greece and Denmark, Landgrave Philipp of Hesse, Grand Dukes Georg and Ludwig of Hesse, and others that I don't remember...