Kate Middleton Current Events 19: March-April 2007


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Little_star said:
Well the free holidays, her attendance at events like Cheltenham, the reduced price car, her job etc etc.

Or do people actually believe she would be receivng these gifts if she were not dating William?

In the past I've always tended to quite like Kate but I have to kind of agree with the above. She seems to enjoy all the nice bits of dating a prince but wants none of the hassle. It's not her fault per se but at the moment she gets a fraction of the hassle proper celebrities get and she may as well get used to it now because if she does marry him it will get a lot worse.
I also agree re the press whipping up interest. The average Brit really still does not know who she is and the only time I see her in mainstream press (ie not Hello magazine and the likes) is when there is a story about complaints re intrusion!:)
 
Lizy said:
In the past I've always tended to quite like Kate but I have to kind of agree with the above. She seems to enjoy all the nice bits of dating a prince but wants none of the hassle. It's not her fault per se but at the moment she gets a fraction of the hassle proper celebrities get and she may as well get used to it now because if she does marry him it will get a lot worse.
That's the whole point though, isn't it, she is not and has made no claim to be a celebrity. If she marries William then I would imagine she knows it will come with the territory, until then the media should remember that not everyone wants or feels the 'need' to be seen as a celebrity! We all take holidays, some probably abroad, one might even have a job or a new car, but does that mean these items should be tied in with who you are dating?
 
Not at all, Skydragon. I agree with both points of view to a certain extent. My boy friend just got a new car (from the brand apparently favoured by the royals) as he got promoted at work and needs it to carry out his job. It's a perk but he's worked v hard to get it. Unfortunately, the media (not me!) has portrayed Kate as someone who seems to get perks for doing not a lot other that dating Prince William. Again, this is in no way her fault.
 
biboquinhas said:
I think they are too young to get married! They should wait more years to get married otherwise IMO they will divorce soon!

My father was 21 when he married my mother who was 29. They are now still happily married.

IMO, it doesn't matter what age you marry, whether you're 20 or 40, but both parties have to make it work. You can't just give up if you have a fight. Nobody gets along perfectly.
 
Little_star said:
I had to question this statement purely because I wonder if there really is a market? Aside from this forum (and others) and Royal fans I sincerely doubt that the average person is interested in Kate. If anything I think the media are trying to create the hype but the public aren't responding.

The papparazzi are for the most part freelancers. They take on a day's assignment as the newssources give them out. So if the newssources and photo agencies find their newspapers with Kate's picture are not making enough money to offset the papparazzi costs; they can stop sending out assignments to photograph Kate. Its not like they have photographers on a yearly fixed salary and they have to keep sending the paps out to justify paying their salary. Paps cost money and the money has to come from somewhere, usually from people who think they can make more money from the pics the paps bring in than they spend in hiring the paps.

In the U.S. Kate has gotten slightly more exposure here in People magazine but otherwise not so much.

Little_star said:
As for Kate, I find her complaint quite petty. The photos in question were clearly taken from a distance, the photographers were certainly not up close to her.

If these are the photographs she's talking about, then I agree. But there are others from one particular news agency where you can see the camera actually get in Kate's face. If it were anyone other than a photographer, Kate would be excused for thinking she was being mugged.

I think people here are confusing perks with non monetary payment such as a company car.

All our field salespeople get company cars because they drive so much during the day visiting accounts that if we required them to use their own cars, they'd have to replace their cars every year due to wear and tear. Its hardly a perk when the alternative to the perk is paying your own money to replace your car every year or so.

Some people may want to grant a celebrity a perk because it gives them free advertisement. Who here talks about Audi cars except when its about Kate getting a free car? That's wonderfully good advertising for Audi and the cost of a car may be less than an advertisement campaign that would generate similar interest. People give perks to other people who may not have deserved them because it makes business sense to do so, ie., doing so gives them something, in this case free advertising. As I mentioned before, the only unethical part of it is if Kate were a lawmaker or business person who was in a position to influence an important law or major business purchase decision that could benefit the party who gave her the Audi.

But she is the girlfriend of the grandson of a powerless figurehead. Kate herself has no power at all. There is no major decision she can influence one way or another that the Audi dealer can tempt her with a new car.
 
Lizy said:
My boy friend just got a new car (from the brand apparently favoured by the royals) as he got promoted at work and needs it to carry out his job.
Now Lizy, no excuses, he got it because he is dating you didn't he! :lol:
 
Skydragon said:
Now Lizy, no excuses, he got it because he is dating you didn't he! :lol:

Ha ha! Yep, you caught me out. One of the many perks I'm sure he would tell you of dating me!
I am now beginnign to feel sorry for Kate, she can't seem to win either way.
 
Hello all. I've stumbled onto this forum and, honestly, am not all that interested in royalty, but think what is going on with this young woman is a fascinating example of what's going on worldwide in terms of celebrity, medial and privacy.

One thought on the subject of whether or not Kate is receiving "perks" as a result of her relationship with the prince. Looking at the photographs on this forum, you also see the several young men (Prince William's close friends, presumably?) pictured with him on a regular basis. They attend public events, accompany him on vacation, etc. I would guess that they also benefit in their private lives from their association with him - in terms of increased social status, possible employment opportunities, attention from young women, and all of that. But you don't see anyone saying that THEY have forfeited all their rights to any sort of a private life as a result. How is this different, really, from Kate's situation? Other than the fact that the media (not Kate, not William, not anyone else associated with them personally) have annointed her his future wife? To me, saying that someone has no right to privacy because, essentially, the media has decided that they don't is a very dangerous and unsettling thing.
 
Why do I get the feeling that marriage is going to be sooner rather than later? She is in the news a lot lately.
 
Sullivan said:
Hello all. I've stumbled onto this forum and, honestly, am not all that interested in royalty, but think what is going on with this young woman is a fascinating example of what's going on worldwide in terms of celebrity, media and privacy.....
....... To me, saying that someone has no right to privacy because, essentially, the media has decided that they don't is a very dangerous and unsettling thing.
Hi Sullivan, welcome to the forums. :flowers: I often wonder how many of the people on here would react to all the intrusions. I would probably be in prison, because I would not put up with having a camera pushed in my face everytime I left my house! :ohmy:
 
karla64 said:

ha..."who flew by private jet to Dublin ".. they really should stop selling this girl as being the people's new princess because she's a commoner and so much like us... really.. it's stupid.

not that i have anything against Kate herself, just the stupid way she's portrayed.
 
I agree Skydragon. :lol:

I don't see how Kate is portrayed as anything other than someone who is seriously dating Prince William. The rest is conjecture.:question: The girl hasn't said or done anything out of line, except get the press off of her back. Yet she is despised as if she called somebody's baby ugly or something. :wacko:
 
I understand Kate's need for privacy but when she attends events like the one in Ireland, myself and others have a right to question her privacy rules.

Kate did not need to attend the opening, if it was a sister or something then yes but surely a good luck card and flowers would have done the trick.

We keep hearing she is a 'normal' girl, well normal girls do not make front page for turning up at an event like that!

I do not care when or where she is pictured but it just seems that she will exept being pictured on her terms, and that is NOT how the press works.
 
EmmieLou said:
Kate did not need to attend the opening, if it was a sister or something then yes but surely a good luck card and flowers would have done the trick..
Oh dear, the poor girl is no longer allowed to have normal friends (Headline: Catherine ditches her old pals) and support them as any one of us would try to do. I must remember that when I want to support a friend, I must only send a card instead of making the effort to go in person! :wacko:
 
I understand Kate's need for privacy but when she attends events like the one in Ireland, myself and others have a right to question her privacy rules.

Kate did not need to attend the opening, if it was a sister or something then yes but surely a good luck card and flowers would have done the trick.

We keep hearing she is a 'normal' girl, well normal girls do not make front page for turning up at an event like that!

I do not care when or where she is pictured but it just seems that she will exept being pictured on her terms, and that is NOT how the press works.

Well Kate's privacy 'rules' so far are pretty simple and pretty common sense. So far she has been perfectly fine with being photographed at a public event when the photogs are at a safe distance; she's not fine with being photographed with a camera in her face when she's stepping out her house. The difference between the two is perfectly clear to me so I don't think that Kate is giving the press mixed signals.

It is the physical intrusion that she minds. I don't blame her and I can't understand why people can't see the difference between a photographer taking a photo from about 20 feet and a photographer shoving a camera up your nose.

She should be able to handle the former with poise and grace, the latter, I don't think anyone should have to put up with.

I think you should forget about how the press describes her. She may or may not be a 'normal' girl and for William's sake it doesn't really matter but the press is going to slot her into a stereotype that's guaranteed to sell papers regardless of whether she is a normal girl or not.
 
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ysbel said:
It is the physical intrusion that she minds. I don't blame her and I can't understand why people can't see the difference between a photographer taking a photo from about 20 feet and a photographer shoving a camera up your nose.

She should be able to handle the former with poise and grace, the latter, I don't think anyone should have to put up with.

I agree. Cameras snapping 20 foot away across a foyer or street is very different from paps running backwards in front of you and shoving lenses or microphones into your face as you walk down the footpath or into a theatre, impeding your progress and putting you at risk of tripping and falling. No-one should be expected to put up with that.
 
Wenn Photo Gallery has new pictures of Kate.

I fail to see why a girl, buying a postcard is of interest for Media and I fail to see why Kate should put up with it. :wacko:
Personally I wouldn't blame her if she complained about those pictures as well - must be nice to remember the days when she could go out and buy a postcard, without about a dozen of photographers following.
 
Avalon, it's very similar to the times when the press used to chase Lady Diana down the road when she was trying to buy milk. (Of course, this was prior to her engagement.)
 
she doesn't look very happy, does she?? luckily the press ahven't bothered to read too much into that or we'd get another stupid story about her not grinning from ear to ear meaning that there's trouble in paradise
 
Skydragon said:
Oh dear, the poor girl is no longer allowed to have normal friends (Headline: Catherine ditches her old pals) and support them as any one of us would try to do. I must remember that when I want to support a friend, I must only send a card instead of making the effort to go in person! :wacko:


But you are not dating a Prince and complaining about Media intrusion.


Do you really think the media would have cared about this opening...would it have even made the papers without Kate being there??? I very much doubt it.

Kate is not normal so no point in pretending that she is, the media is interested in her, pictures of her putting rubbish out made the papers!

I understand she is in a no win situation but I find it fraustrating not to mention boring that one minute she is complaining because her picture was taken on a street but then shows up at numerous public events that she did not REALLY have to attend like this show, the races etc
 
EmmieLou said:
I understand she is in a no win situation but I find it fraustrating not to mention boring that one minute she is complaining because her picture was taken on a street but then shows up at numerous public events that she did not REALLY have to attend like this show, the races etc
We all need to realise the difference between a private act, like walking to work, getting a cup of coffee in Starbucks, putting the rubbish out and attending the races, going to gallery openings, etc. Catherine has only complained about being followed to work and photographed going about her normal business, not the events where one would expect photographers to be. Just because she is dating a 'royal' does not mean she forfeits all the rights the rest of us take for granted!

The very fact that the paper concerned apologised so quickly, admitting they had been wrong to use the photo's proves, IMO, that she was justified in her complaint.
 
EmmieLou said:
I understand she is in a no win situation but I find it fraustrating not to mention boring that one minute she is complaining because her picture was taken on a street but then shows up at numerous public events that she did not REALLY have to attend like this show, the races etc

I think a lot of people see Kate going to her friend's opening as just having fun and if that's all it is, some of your criticism would be justified. However it appears that Kate is showing support for her friend who is an opening artist and its quite normal for artists, etc. to ask all their friends to come down and support them and its quite normal for the friends to accept. Its what friends do when another friend is starting a new business or opening up a new show. Having your own opening is a pretty nerve wracking experience.

You're right, Kate, didn't absolutely have to go to this event but if she declines these types of events a lot to avoid the papparazzi, she will kill her social friendship network. I've gone to a lot of friends' openings just to keep the friendship up even though I knew I'd be bored silly.

I wouldn't advise Kate to start turning down friends' invitations in droves just to avoid the paps mainly because she doesn't have a ring on her finger yet and its not smart to her social network when her relationship to William could still break off.

I also wouldn't advise Kate to let the papparazzi get in her nose because in those situations, people have gotten hurt.

She needs to protect her physical safety and her relationships with the people close to her. I think you're right that she is in a no-win situation but I'm glad that she seems to make decisions based on common sense: her physical safety and the relationships of her friends closest to her rather than falling prey to the false reality of letting the papparazzi determine the terms on what she will live.
 
I understand she is in a no win situation but I find it fraustrating not to mention boring that one minute she is complaining because her picture was taken on a street but then shows up at numerous public events that she did not REALLY have to attend like this show, the races etc

In addition to what's been said above, I think it is likely that there is a feeling among her advisors and Prince William's that she needs to obtain some experience of public life, prior to her engagement, so she's not completely at sea when the time comes. Never mind a need to prove to certain people whose opinion actually matters (i.e. not us and not the media!) that she will, in fact, be able to handle herself in the spotlight. And she and they think she has the right to gain that experience will still maintaining a semblance of a private life. Not an unreasonable position, IMO.

People with a bent to be critical will always find something to criticize. If Kate did what is being suggest above and avoided the media entirely, how quickly would she be labeled "shy, reclusive, unsociable, and unsuited to public life"?
 
Are we really at that stage now, when Catherine is getting jumped on for going to a friend's gallery opening? I'm sorry, but if something big like that was happening to me, and one of my close friends whom I invited didn't attend....I'd be hurt. Why shouldn't she have gone? It's her friend! You do that for your friends! Is she to be a shut-in now with no social life? Good grief. It's times like this when I feel for that poor girl. And yes I'm aware she's not "poor" and dating the future King hardly makes you an object of pity, but some of this is crossing the line and I'm saddened that more people can't or won't see that. She is not HRH Princess/Duchess of Anything yet, so she's not supposed to forfeit her rights to some semblance of privacy.
 
Sister Morphine, yeah. There are people out there who condemn Kate for the sun rising and setting each day. There is a race to the bottom and the bottom is winning.

Kate I because of the closeness to her family, will see this through. She's got alot going for her, and I hope the very best for her. She is holding up very well, IMHO.
 
Luv2Cruise said:
Sister Morphine, yeah. There are people out there who condemn Kate for the sun rising and setting each day.

Don't you think you're exaggerating just a little? :lol:
 
Unforunately, no, and that's all I can say.:lol: What is sad is that because some in the press are lazy, they will take what is said on the internet to be somehow indicative of how the general public feels about Kate, hence the creeping into stories about her being "lazy" for not working, which thankfully it appears Kate has ignored. But when they tried to print lies casting doubts on her relationship with William after a few overblown snaps of him in a nightclub posing with a couple of strays, her lawyers went after the press. And rightfully so.
 
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