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the another pros I think of is, maybe it can let us see Ena's aquamarine loop tiara on another Spanish Queen
Leonor of Spain with one of the sons of Prince Guilaume of Luxembourg and Sibilla Weiller (Prince Paul-Louis, Prince Leopold, Prince Jean).
Pros :
1. The boys are male line Bourbon. So the royal house of Spain will remain Bourbon.
Whoever married her would be a consort so it wouldn’t matter if the other branches of the Bourbon family don’t reign. Plus the Luxembourgers are technically and legally Nassaus not Bourbon-Parma even though they are strictly by male line descendants of the House of Bourbon.Leonor of Spain with one of the sons of Prince Guilaume of Luxembourg and Sibilla Weiller (Prince Paul-Louis, Prince Leopold, Prince Jean).
Pros :
1. The boys are male line Bourbon. So the royal house of Spain will remain Bourbon.
2. They are from a reigning royal family (Luxembourg), unlike other Bourbon branches that are no longer reiging.
3. Their mother, Sibilla Weiller is a descendant of King Alfonso XIII of Spain through Infanta Beatriz. So, Leonor and the boys are third cousins. Not harmful genetically but still related.
Peter isn’t royal, he’s not even the son of a baronet so a hypothetical marriage to Victoria would be no different than her marriage to Daniel.I thought Peter Philips - princess Anne son - would have made a good partner for crown princess Victoria. I also thought Alexandra of Luxembourg and prince Rafael of orleans braganza would be nice as would prince Josef Wenzel & Alexandra of Hanover
I think the Liechtenstein princely family are better matched with Catholic families from the old Austro-Hungarian empire so I wouldn’t add Olympia.It seems we've had this exercise before but I do like considering the various potential matches. So, here's my attempt for suitable royal (or noble) candidates for the European heirs (or heir's heirs) - preferably about their own age and religion (for which I group all protestants together):
Sweden: Princess Estelle (Feb 2012)
After Denmark had a Swedish princess as their queen, why not a Danish prince as the future prince consort; and several family members also have British spouses:
- Prince Vincent of Denmark (Jan 2011)
- James, Earl of Wessex (Dec 2007)
Norway: Princess Ingrid-Alexandra (Jan 2004)
A sporty prince (or count ?) would be preferable... Not sure about the athletic abilities of the various candidates.
- Count Felix of Monpezat (July 2002) [3rd cousin once removed]
- Count Claus-Casimir of Orange-Nassau, Jonkheer van Amsberg (March 2004)
Denmark: Prince Christian (Oct 2005)
One of the younger Dutch princesses might work out (we know for sure that they know each other, so that helps - Ariane might be the better match imho) or a daughter of one of his parents' German royal friends:
- Princess Alexia of the Netherlands (June 2005); or her younger sister: Princess Ariane of the Netherlands (April 2007)
- Princess Paulina of Hesse (March 2007)
UK: Prince George (July 2013)
A match between their parents was often suggested but never worked out, so what about their children (and another option among the many descendants of queen Victoria):
- Princess Leonore of Sweden (Feb 2014) [also a descendant of queen Victoria]
- Princess Emma of Prussia (April 2015) [also a descendant of queen Victoria]
The Netherlands: Princess Catharina-Amalia (Dec 2003)
Amalia has stated that she likes German guys because they are more polite/gallant than Dutch guys. So, based on that criterion:
- Hereditary Prince Leopold of Baden (May 2002); or his middle brother: Prince Friedrich of Baden (March 2004)
- Duke Kirill of Oldenburg (June 2002); or his second brother: Duke Carlos of Oldenburg (April 2004)
Belgium: Princess Elisabeth (Oct 2001)
A Roman-Catholic prince seems the best match - so, maybe someone from the Liechtenstein family or a non-reigning Roman Catholic royal (or imperial) house:
- Prince Georg vuz Liechtenstein (April 1999); or his brother: Prince Nikolaus vuz Liechtenstein (Dec 2000)
- Infante Dinis of Portugal (Nov 1999)
Luxembourg: Prince Charles (May 2020)
My youngest niece born in May 2020... oh no, she isn't royal nor noble Of course, we could look for a potential bride in Belgium but preferably not the royal family as they are still relatively closely related - and the same goes for example for some Habsburgs and Liechtensteiners, so including both a daughter of a Belgian princess and close friend of Charles's mother (princess Blanche de Mérode, she was one of the witnesses at the wedding of Guillaume and Stéphanie!) and a German princess (living in Madrid with a Peruvian mother):
- Freiin Cléo vuz Bodman (Feb 2020)
- Princess Sofia of Hanover (July 2020)
Liechtenstein: Prince Joseph-Wenzel (May 1995)
Some princesses of his age group are already married or engaged, so, we need a young woman that is still available. Astrid's family is very much Switzerland-focused, so they already are used to (living in) the Alpes (and for a bit of fun: a Greek princess ):
- Princess Luisa Maria of Belgium (Oct 1995)
- Princess Maria-Olympia of Greece (July 1996)
Monaco: Prince Jacques (Dec 2014)
A French princess sounds unlikely but perfect (so, I'm landing at one of the Count of Paris's daughters); alternatively, one of the daughters of prince Jaime and princess Viktoria de Bourbon de Parme could be a match:
- Princess Louise-Marguerite of Orleans (July 2014); or her younger sister: Princess Jacinthe of Orleans (Oct 2018)
- Princess Zita de Bourbon de Parme (Feb 2014); or her younger sister: Princess Gloria de Bourbon de Parme (May 2016)
Spain: Princess Leonor (Oct 2005)
I really liked MagdalenaS's idea of one of the sons of prince Guillaume of Luxembourg. Because of age, I'll settle on the youngest - but a Belgian prince would of course also be a great option:
- Prince Jean of Nassau (July 2004)
- Prince Gabriel of Belgium (Aug 2003); or his younger brother: Prince Emmanuel of Belgium (Oct 2005)
Peter isn’t royal, he’s not even the son of a baronet so a hypothetical marriage to Victoria would be no different than her marriage to Daniel.
My so called “opinion” isn’t an opinion but a fact, you can’t claim someone to be a Prince when they aren’t one or don’t have a Princely title. The point is both Daniel and Peter Philips don’t have princely titles so are not Princes (I have nothing against either btw). When I say he’s no different to Daniel, I’m saying because both men aren’t royal by birth.You are fully entitled to your opinion as others are entitled to theirs. My guess is that most Swedes would not consider Peter Phillips to be "no different" than Daniel Westling before his marriage in terms of being royal.
My so called “opinion” isn’t an opinion but a fact, you can’t claim someone to be a Prince when they aren’t one or don’t have a Princely title. The point is both Daniel and Peter Philips don’t have princely titles so are not Princes (I have nothing against either btw). When I say he’s no different to Daniel, I’m saying because both men aren’t royal by birth.
How is what I am saying an opinion?"Peter Phillips does not have a princely title" is indeed a fact, but no one has claimed that he has a princely title.
"Peter Phillips isn't royal" and "Peter Phillips' hypothetical marriage to Victoria would be no different than her marriage to Daniel" are not, to borrow your phrasing, so-called "facts" but opinions.
How is what I am saying an opinion?
Peter isn’t royal, he’s not even the son of a baronet so a hypothetical marriage to Victoria would be no different than her marriage to Daniel.
Victoria and Nikolaos were romantically linked for a brief period of time. I remember reading about it. Of course nothing came of it and they remained good friends.
They attended one another's weddings if memory serves.
Hypothetical or no, Peter is and always will be directly descended from British kings and queens. His mother is a princess, Royal on both sides.If she had given the okay, Peter would have been titled from birth.
Victoria and Nikolaos were romantically linked for a brief period of time. I remember reading about it. Of course nothing came of it and they remained good friends.
Ohhhhh I didn’t know that - I love how you learn things from this site!! Thankyou for sharing!!
The Duke of Edinburgh and Martha Louise went on a date or two.
I'm afraid that whoever you read it from was mistaken. There have been no credible reports of Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden being romantically linked to a member of a royal or ex-royal family, and the only romantic partnerships which she made public were with Daniel Collert and Daniel Westling.
Do you have a source?
The story that Victoria and Nikaloas were involved might have been incorrect, but the fact is that they certainly were linked/rumored to be involved at one point.
https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20010928370437/victoriaofsweden/
And that is not the only place. There is a very old copy of US Vanity Fair that reported the rumor as well.
Thailand’s succession seems messy, but I would say Prince Dipangkorn and Princess Aiko of Japan.
Foreign marriages seems unlikely for both countries, but this is hypothetical and marriage still in Asia would at least be culturally closer. There wasn’t a lot of options anyway near Aiko’s age and I would enjoy that she would get a title after marriage since she is loosing her Japanese title if she gets married.
Thai royal succession laws forbid its family members from marrying foreigners or else they'll lose succession rights, so if this match happens in real life, Dipangkorn would never become king.
I highly doubt that any of the family are or would be in a position to change those laws. One of the Kings sisters did marry a foreigner, Princess Ubolratna but she lost her title and her children have no succession rights.Alright didn’t know that. But let’s say in my hypothetical scenario someone really wanted to change laws
And I am pretty new here so don’t how to reply to two posts. But regarding culture I don’t think Japan and Thailand are similar, just more similar than other options.
She could probably marry members of the deposed branches of the Imperial house or members of the Japanese nobility.Thailand’s succession seems messy, but I would say Prince Dipangkorn and Princess Aiko of Japan.
Foreign marriages seems unlikely for both countries, but this is hypothetical and marriage still in Asia would at least be culturally closer. There wasn’t a lot of options anyway near Aiko’s age and I would enjoy that she would get a title after marriage since she is loosing her Japanese title if she gets married.
And this is cheating regarding the royal part. But Llywelyn the Last has still living decendants I have red. So George should marry one of the girls related to that family so the Prince of Wales title would feel more deserved in future generations by the Welsh.
I highly doubt that any of the family are or would be in a position to change those laws. One of the Kings sisters did marry a foreigner, Princess Ubolratna but she lost her title and her children have no succession rights.