Iñaki, Cristina and the NOOS Corruption Investigation Part 1 (2011-2014)


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Well, we do see it in Spain. Not everybody, of course, but many many people. Specially the younger generations (recent polls show that nearly 60% of the under 30 are against the monarchy system)

You must have in mind that a huge majority of spaniards have the conviction that the king was a partner in Iñaki's misgivings (several of Iñaki's busines mails talk about the king and her lady friend Corinna helping him out).

In the 21th century, monarchy has only a simbolic value. And to keep that simbolic value the members of the royal family have to remain spotless, they must have a special aura of morality and stability.

And the Borbon family has loose it once again. I'd say there is a very high probability to see them packing for the 4th time in the last 2 centuries. Not today and not tomorrow, but I don't see them in the throne in 10 years time.
The wave of an opposing public opinion is growing day by day.
 
trepstrep said:
And the Borbon family has loose it once again. I'd say there is a very high probability to see them packing for the 4th time in the last 2 centuries. Not today and not tomorrow, but I don't see them in the throne in 10 years time.
The wave of an opposing public opinion is growing day by day.
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Honestly, the only thing that might save them is the fact that the Asturias family has been known to be at odds with Inaki and Christina for so long and the fact that they aren't involved in this at all.
 
HRHHermione said:
Honestly, the only thing that might save them is the fact that the Asturias family has been known to be at odds with Inaki and Christina for so long and the fact that they aren't involved in this at all.
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You're probably right. If the king abdicates and Cristina and Iñaki get a fair sentence, Felipe and Letizia do have a chance.

Thanks to Letizia, I might say. If the press rumors are true it was her who made Felipe stay appart from Cristina and Iñaki when she learned what they were about. If it is true, the family owes her big time.
 
trepstrep said:
You're probably right. If the king abdicates and Cristina and Iñaki get a fair sentence, Felipe and Letizia do have a chance.

Thanks to Letizia, I might say. If the press rumors are true it was her who made Felipe stay appart from Cristina and Iñaki when she learned what they were about. If it is true, the family owes her big time.
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Yup. She put up with a lot of innuendo over the years- that she was unfit for the role, that she was causing family difficulties, that she was feuding with Cristina. She was silent throughout, but if the press rumors are true, she did the right thing, distanced her family from them and looked out for her husband and daughter and the best interests of the royal family.

I hope that her efforts are enough to preserve the monarchy when it comes down to it, but you're right- that depends on how everything goes with this case and how the king reacts to it. If he's implicated, he should most certainly abdicate.
 
Artemisia said:
And how ironic the judge used King Juan Carlos's words from his Christmas address to impute his daughter?
I wish I could say it couldn't be worse for Inaki and Cristina, but unfortunately it can and probably will get much worse. They have already lost, no matter what the judge's eventual decision is. The public found them guilty - and deservingly so.
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Ironic indeed.

Look, the only way for a monarchy to survive in the 21st Century IS for everyone to be equal under the laws. The only way now for the SRF to survive is for the public to be completely satisfied that justice was done. And if the public is convinced they are guilty, that doesn't bode well for Inaki and Cristina. These two had better wake up, show some remorse, and come clean for the sake of saving the Spanish taxpayer the vast sums it must cost to prosecute this, and not try and fight the sentence. Time to grow up and show a little integrity. If they do that, they might get some mercy.

Those poor 4 children .... I wish that they had kept them in the U.S.
 
GracieGiraffe said:
Those poor 4 children .... I wish that they had kept them in the U.S.
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Somehow, I don't think that being in the U.S. would have shielded the children as much as you might imagine, especially since they were living in D.C. and not some backwater region that pays no attention to international scandals. The article about Infanta Cristina being called to testify made the front page of Yahoo today and it was one of the top headlines in the World section of Google News. Certainly the children would be subjected to less attention than they are sure to have at home in Spain but I'd wager, if they were still here in the U.S., that every single one of their teachers & school staff as well as most of their classmates' parents/families would know about the investigation and likely be following the story with avid interest.
 
As for the children - yes, they are innocent and it must be tough for them. But they not only have problems because of their parents, they have privileges as well and whatever happens to their parents - they have a far better chance in life than most other Spanish children.
 
Just hearing people in the streets you can say that the infanta has a worse image than her husband.
 
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I wonder what the "Grandies" of Spain are thinking about this sad and bad story!
 
Don't you think that the Royal house should made a statement...now we are talking about the King and Queen daugther...
One question...His Inaki still consider the Duke of Palma de Maiorca?
 
biboquinhas said:
Don't you think that the Royal house should made a statement...now we are talking about the King and Queen daugther...
One question...His Inaki still consider the Duke of Palma de Maiorca?
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Inaki was never a Duke,he was refered to by the media as the Duke (Consort) of Palma de Mallorca as he was married to the duchess but he was never awarded any titles in his own right.
 
maria-olivia said:
I wonder what the "Grandies" of Spain are thinking about this sad and bad story!
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I'd imagine that the Grandes de España like everyone else are wondering what else can come out and what further damage will be done.
 
GracieGiraffe said:
And if the public is convinced they are guilty, that doesn't bode well for Inaki and Cristina. These two had better wake up, show some remorse, and come clean for the sake of saving the Spanish taxpayer the vast sums it must cost to prosecute this, and not try and fight the sentence. Time to grow up and show a little integrity. If they do that, they might get some mercy.
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Exactly. We don't know what the sentence will be, the judge is under an incredible amount of pressure, but the public is convinced that they are guilty. By fighting the court they are looking even worst.

Today, I've woken up with the incredible news that the prosecutor has appealed the judge decision! For God's sake, not the defense, but the state prosecutor!!! How crazy is that? And how do they want for the citizens not to think that he' s recieving very high pressures!

It''s not just what they did it's the undignified way they are behaving when discovered that is destroying the family.
 
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... ... there is no evidence, only a person who already has evidence of embezzlement, and revenge, incriminates Cristina. Nothing more to ... :bang:
 
It is always difficult to judge events that happened in a judical system one does not know. Here in Germany, certain parts of a witness' statement cannot be used when the "witness" turns into a "suspect". Each position in a trial or during research for potential prosecution brings along different duties and rights, so the person questioned has to be informed how he is considered by police and prosecution.

I wonder if it is the same in Spain and if so, does that necessarily mean that the infanta is really under suspicion or just a way to inform her of her judical position in this case, so she can take precautions?
 
Can please stay on topic,fictitious posts have no place here and will be removed
 
If I was a spaniard I would have been very angry about that scandal
A lot of my children's spanish friends well-educated (or not) don't have any prospect for a job in the future. Those two behave in the same way as those who brought about this crisis.
A grabbling culture!
 
Rumours are sometimes fictitious but they are a reality for those in Spain, who try to understand why members of their royal family behave like that.
What the hell were they thinking about? Are they so blinded or egocentric, focused on their own privileges. No eye for others?

Maybe there is a big kernel of thruth in those street-stories
 
sjetajiem said:
Rumours are sometimes fictitious but they are a reality for those in Spain, who try to understand why members of their royal family behave like that.
What the hell were they thinking about? Are they so blinded or egocentric, focused on their own privileges. No eye for others?

Maybe there is a big kernel of thruth in those street-stories
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Well for now we'll stick to the facts here on this forum,there are plenty of dedicated forums for gossip and rumours out there.
 
I don't think there is too much added damage in Spain because imputing Cristina is exactly what a majority of Spaniards wanted. NOT imputing her is the greater damage.

Having said that, the added damage comes from the international coverage regarding the worldwide image, and in my opinion it is not only damaging for the monarchy but for the country as well.

It's like, who can you trust in Spain if even the King's daughter is corrupt?

On another note, I don't think this is the end of the monarchy either. Because, what is the alternative? The parties are happy to have a scapegoat deflecting from their own shortcomings, and I doubt they would agree to change the constitution for a possible elected Head of State who could possibly take away all the benefits for the ruling elite.


La prensa internacional pone bajo sospecha a la Monarqua espaola
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...sband-s-corruption-case-case-royal-Spain.html
 
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Miguel Roca, one of the fathers of the Spanish Constitution of 1978, will defend to the Infanta Cristina, much of the Spanish jurists believe that the proceedings against the Infanta be archived because they recognize that there is no evidence , and they consider disproportionate the resolution of judge. I also believe it. According to legal experts, the infanta should have been called as a witness but not as imputed.The spanish journalists are breaching the fundamental right to the presumption of innocence,I think that the ROyal House will demand to the journalists that has violated "the presumption of innocence " , it could end inclusive in Constitucional Tribunal or Strasburgo . I say this, because the choice of Miguel Roca of who is an expert in fundamental rights, makes me think that this is the path that will follow the royal house. I think that it will be archived and after the Infanta will denounces to the journalists
 
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An Ard Ri said:
Maybe some our Spanish speakers can tell us what he's saying!


Miquel Roca, padre la Constitución, defenderá a la infanta Cristina

Miquel Roca, padre la Constitución, defenderá a la infanta Cristina - YouTube
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YouTube translation, Miguel Roca speaking with the journalists confirms that he will defend Infanta Cristina, that he has been given the responsibility to represent the Infanta, and has already spoken with her. But giving his style and years of experience exercising his responsibility as counsel, he is also informing the media that there is nothing he can share with the public, and "there are no resolutions as this point, nothing to comment on". "I am pleased to meet with you this morning, but "will not discuss professional cases"
 
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IRIS1983 said:
Miguel Roca, one of the fathers of the Spanish Constitution of 1978, will defend to the Infanta Cristina, much of the Spanish jurists believe that the proceedings against the Infanta be archived because they recognize that there is no evidence , and they consider disproportionate the resolution of judge. I also believe it. According to legal experts, the infanta should have been called as a witness but not as imputed.The spanish journalists are breaching the fundamental right to the presumption of innocence,I think that the ROyal House will demand to the journalists that has violated "the presumption of innocence " , it could end inclusive in Constitucional Tribunal or Strasburgo . I say this, because the choice of Miguel Roca of who is an expert in fundamental rights, makes me think that this is the path that will follow the royal house. I think that it will be archived and after the Infanta will denounces to the journalists
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Cristina can't be called as a witness because as a witness she could simply make a written declaration, and the judge wouldn't have a chance to re-question her.

About the presumption of innocence and Strasbourg thing, you're simply dreaming. If she spends a single public euro to prosecute anyone the family is over.
And in anycase, I don't which journalist you are talking about. 90% of the citizens are convinced she is a thief, and talk about it freely in the street, but the press has been careful, and presumption of innocence has been perfectly preserved.
 
Danishla said:
YouTube translation, Miguel Roca speaking with the journalists confirms that he will defend Infanta Cristina, that he has been given the responsibility to represent the Infanta, and has already spoken with her. But giving his style and years of experience exercising his responsibility as counsel, he is also informing the media that there is nothing he can share with the public, and "there are no resolutions as this point, nothing to comment on". "I am pleased to meet with you this morning, but "will not discuss professional cases"
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Exactly. He mostly repeats: I can say no more, I can't discuss professional cases.
 
Danishla said:
YouTube translation, Miguel Roca speaking with the journalists confirms that he will defend Infanta Cristina, that he has been given the responsibility to represent the Infanta, and has already spoken with her. But giving his style and years of experience exercising his responsibility as counsel, he is also informing the media that there is nothing he can share with the public, and "there are no resolutions as this point, nothing to comment on". "I am pleased to meet with you this morning, but "will not discuss professional cases"
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Many thanks Dabishla :flowers:
 
trepstrep said:
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Cristina can't be called as a witness because as a witness she could simply make a written declaration, and the judge wouldn't have a chance to re-question her.

About the presumption of innocence and Strasbourg thing, you're simply dreaming. If she spends a single public euro to prosecute anyone the family is over.
And in anycase, I don't which journalist you are talking about. 90% of the citizens are convinced she is a thief, and talk about it freely in the street, but the press has been careful, and presumption of innocence has been perfectly preserved.
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In centuries past when a person was hung or beheaded publicly, 90% or more of the people went out and watch the show , and many people decapitated was innocents but they were accused by 90% without evidence, and how arrived one moment in what were more publicly beheaded the inocent than guilty, was born the presumption of innocence to prevent a person would be judged socially . To my nobody asked me about the Infanta, nobody sent me papers to go to vote, who are this 90%?, the same that said that the new Pope would be 100% Canadian, or the same that said the Socialist Party would stay few seats to get a simple majority in parliament .... the law says no one can be tried without evidence against that person, the same judge said in his resolution that he has not proofs against her. Should they (90%) ask to the Infanta apologize by accuse to her without proofs, if it is archived???. My country is one democracy does not need to prove it, have not that create these artificial entertainment.
 
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