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I guess we'll never really know enough about Sergei.
Unless there's a hidden diary or something out there. . .which is highly unlikely. . .I guess we'll never really know enough about Sergei.
It might be possible. Olga and Tatiana had lost diaries and a lot of their volumes have been found and published in Sisters of Mercy (a Russian book). If Grand Duchess Ella's diary was found I'm sure we would learn a lot more about Sergei. She might have burnt her diary. I know that OTMA burnt some of their diaries but some survived and now are published...Unless there's a hidden diary or something out there. . .which is highly unlikely. . .
For what it's worth, here's a small part of the lengthy Wiki entry on Grand Duke Serge...As for Sergei and Ella's marriage, it's a bit of mystery.
Indeed! Warwick's book confirms this. And you don't have to have children to have a happy marriage. I really believe that they truely loved each other in their way and had a very happy marriage. Unconventional, but very happy for them.For what it's worth, here's a small part of the lengthy Wiki entry on Grand Duke Serge...
A great deal of controversy around Sergei Alexandrovich has centered on the nature of his personal life. Guesses about the perhaps unhappy nature of the relationship with his wife have abounded. Sergei's marriage is barely documented. His private papers, including his correspondence with his wife, have not survived, and the evidence that does exist in the Moscow State archives, the most important repository of Romanov papers, is open to interpretation. According to some contemporary reports, Sergei was homosexual. His sexuality conflicted with his intense religious beliefs and the expectations of his position. Contrary to this belief, the marriage was happy, in its own way. Unusual for royal couples, they slept in the same bed for all of their married life. Forced to defend Sergei against rumors of discord, Elisaveta Feodorovna was devoted to her husband and treasured his memory after his death.
And that's what Nicky did as well. Seems to be a bit of a habit for the family, except KR.Some volumes of Sergei's diaries have been pubished. But, it's all in Russian. I think Sergei only wrote about what happened daily in his life. I don't think he wrote about personal feelings and thoughts into the diaries. I don't know. Maybe if this was translated in English we could know even more information about Sergei's young life.
OZON.ru - Êíèãè | Âåëèêèé Êíÿçü Ñåðãåé Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷ Ðîìàíîâ. Êíèãà 1. 1857-1877 | Êóïèòü êíèãè: èíòåðíåò-ìàãàçèí / ISBN 5-87389-036-6, 5-87389-035-8
OZON.ru - Êíèãè | Âåëèêèé Êíÿçü Ñåðãåé Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷ Ðîìàíîâ. Áèîãðàôè÷åñêèå ìàòåðèàëû. Êíèãà 2. 1877-1880 | Êóïèòü êíèãè: èíòåðíåò-ìàãàçèí / ISBN 978-5-87389-041-5, 5-87389-035-8
Interesting thought but Serge was very conservative, one of the reasons he was targeted for assassination. If he had continued influence over Nicholas, it probably wouldn't have helped Russia move in a new direction.I have a thought if the Revolutionaries hadnt killed Sergei would he have had enough power to influence Tsar Nicholas on the state of the country and prevent WWI?
No. Too many factors and Russia had to support their alliegiances.I have a thought if the Revolutionaries hadnt killed Sergei would he have had enough power to influence Tsar Nicholas on the state of the country and prevent WWI?
It's hard to say whether they were or not. An excellent book on Ella is Warwick's "Ella: Princess, Saint and Martyr". (Should be at your local library) He writes about how Sergei wanted Ella to look a certain way, fashionable and beautiful. that she did things his way, she makes no mention of being unhappy, from what was written. IMO, things were strained between then however Ella never made a fuss about it, but then again, Ella didn't find her husband buggering the male staff in her bed like Ducky did. There is a portion of the book I found fascinating, it seems Ella had a bit of a crush on a distant relation: Greek Nicky. Also, Paul, Sergei and Ella all lived together after Paul's wife died and that caused tongues to wag as well.Was their marriage unhappy? I just wonder Ella's reaction finding out dimitri murdered rasputin good/bad and supposedly Ella and alix didn't get song because they had different views on Rasputin . I just wonder what would have happened if they had a child I am guessing they wouldnt have hemo for Ella wasn't a carrier unlike alix and Irene , strangely her and Victoria weren't carriers
I just wonder what would have happened if they had a child I am guessing they wouldnt have hemo for Ella wasn't a carrier unlike alix and Irene , strangely her and Victoria weren't carriers
It's hard to say whether they were or not. An excellent book on Ella is Warwick's "Ella: Princess, Saint and Martyr". (Should be at your local library) He writes about how Sergei wanted Ella to look a certain way, fashionable and beautiful. that she did things his way, she makes no mention of being unhappy, from what was written. IMO, things were strained between then however Ella never made a fuss about it, but then again, Ella didn't find her husband buggering the male staff in her bed like Ducky did. There is a portion of the book I found fascinating, it seems Ella had a bit of a crush on a distant relation: Greek Nicky. Also, Paul, Sergei and Ella all lived together after Paul's wife died and that caused tongues to wag as well.
. But then he remarried and fathered two children, so who knows?
See I don't know. Sergei could have been a closet and he could have been just asexual. Didn't Ella burn his diary? I can't remember.Your favorite, Marie of Romania, wrote that she thought her Uncle Sergei was so handsome and slim and well-dressed. So maybe his was a marriage of convenience and he was closeted and remained that way. And maybe ibecause of Ella's later conversion to be a nun that a physical relationship was not that important to Ella anyway. We really must get that book about the Hesse sisters, The Four Graces.
It's kinda like the Manson murders, Honey, you just can't help but look.I have never been able to find a book on Ella. There is one on Amazon that I really want to read, but I don't know if I want to buy it yet.
I also don't like reading about Ella because she was such a lovely nice person who died such a horrible way; and it makes me get immature and scream "it's not fair"!
My local library sux, best book on the last years of Imperial Russia is Nicholas and Alexandra.
That would be Sister Barbara (I believe the Russians pronounce and spell it Varvara.) she was devoted to Ella.I found the Warwick book at my old Univ. YAY! Should probably skip the end though. I was looking at a bunch of books today so I don't remember the title of this book, but it had pictures of Elizabeth's body and another person she died with.
You are all correct. What I would like to know, is what did she see in Sergei. Some say he was a homosexual, that I don't know. But he was not noted as being a nice person. Grand Duchess Xenia's husband Sandro, Alexander Mikhilavich, said he could think of no redeeming feature of Sergei. He was disliked by many of his family, least of all the public. Ella was charming, gay, beautiful and, I think, could have made a better marriage. I am just asking opinion, as none of us know what she really thought.
Three? I just remember Ella and Alix. Who was the third?[Queen Victoria's] dislike for the Romanovs didn't prevent 3 of her grand daughters from marrying a Russian.