Family of Queen Camilla 2: Sep 2022 -

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Welcome to the thread Family of Queen Camilla, Part 2

Commencing September 1st, 2022 ​

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[Biri]

Queen Camilla is the first British Queen Consort who has children from previous marriage, isn't she?

 

[Gawin]

Queen Camilla is the first British Queen Consort who has children from previous marriage, isn't she?

Eleanor of Aquitaine (wife of Henry II) had two daughters by her first marriage to King Louis VII of France.
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Joan of Navarre (wife of Henry IV) had several children by her first marriage to Duke John IV of Brittany.

Elizabeth Woodville (wife of Edward IV) had two sons by her first marriage to Sir John Grey.

 

[Iain]

Eleanor of Aquitaine (wife of Henry II) had two daughters by her first marriage to King Louis VII of France.
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Joan of Navarre (wife of Henry IV) had several children by her first marriage to Duke John IV of Brittany.

Elizabeth Woodville (wife of Edward IV) had two sons by her first marriage to Sir John Grey.

The were English Queen Consorst, not British.

 

[Biri]

The were English Queen Consorst, not British.

And what about Scottish ones?

 

[Durham]

The Duchess of Kent would also have made this list if her husband had outlived William iv & become Edward viii.

 

[Gawin]

The were English Queen Consorst, not British.

"British" can refer to the island of Great Britain (not necessarily the kingdom), which is how I interpreted it. See the following website which considers both English and Scottish monarchs as British:

https://www.thehistorypress.co.uk/articles/the-top-ten-longest-reigning-british-monarchs/

And what about Scottish ones?

Grouch (wife of Macbeth) had a son by her first marriage to the Mormaer of Moray.

Ingibiorg (first wife of Malcolm Canmore) had at least two children by her first marriage to the Earl of Orkney. She may have died before Malcolm became King so may not qualify as a queen.

Maud of Northumbria (wife of David I) had a least three children by her first marriage to Simon de Senlis.

Margaret Drummond (second wife of David II) had a son by her first marriage to Sir John Logie.

Mary of Guise (second wife of James V) had two sons by her first marriage to Louis Duke of Longueville.

 

[Biri]

But if we count since the Act of Union from 1707, Queen Camilla is the first.

 

[tihkon2]

Grouch (wife of Macbeth) had a son by her first marriage to the Mormaer of Moray.

Gruoch. ?

 

[Gawin]

But if we count since the Act of Union from 1707, Queen Camilla is the first.

Yes, you're correct.

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[Gawin]

Gruoch. [emoji2]

LOL!

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[Gawin]

Some ancestors of Queen Consort Camilla. They include King Charles II, King Henry IV of France, and the Medicis:

Ancestry of the Duchess of Cornwall

 

[Meee]

Queen Camilla is the first British Queen Consort who has children from previous marriage, isn't she?

Other than Joan of Navarre, she might well be the only one who wasn’t the mother of the future monarch. Where Kings have had Consorts with earlier children, the King often didn’t have living legitimate issue at the time of the marriage.

 

[Alison H]

Mary of Modena wasn't the mother of the future monarch at the time at which she became Queen. She was Queen of both England and Scotland, but not Britain as it was pre-union.

None of Henry VIII's last 3 wives were the mothers of the future monarch.

 

[Denville]

Mary of Modena wasn't the mother of the future monarch at the time at which she became Queen. She was Queen of both England and Scotland, but not Britain as it was pre-union.

None of Henry VIII's last 3 wives were the mothers of the future monarch.

Mary Modena wasn't the mother of a reigning Monarch, ever...

 

[Meee]

Mary of Modena wasn't the mother of the future monarch at the time at which she became Queen. She was Queen of both England and Scotland, but not Britain as it was pre-union.

None of Henry VIII's last 3 wives were the mothers of the future monarch.

Henry VIII was very much a special case, with his multiple divorces (called the more acceptable annulment of course.) If the monarchy had modernised earlier it wouldn’t have been seen as Charles’s duty to marry a virgin when his heart was with another.

 

[SirGyamfi1]

Not only is Camilla a descendant of Thomas Cubbitt who built the estates of Belgravia belonging to the Dukes of Westminster, her ex-husband is a descendant of the 2nd Marquess of Westminster via his daughter, Lady Mary Frances Grosvenor who was the sister of the 1st Duke.

 

[SirGyamfi1]

I knew bits and pieces about her Keppel connections but just seen the following names in her Tree and all very interesting!
Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond
George Gordon, 1st Duke of Gordon
Archibald Campbell, 1st Marquess of Argyll
Edward Sutton , 5th Lord Dudley
Alexander Home, 5th Lord Home
George Gordon, 1st Marquess of Huntly
Lady Henrietta Stewart

Just like Sarah and Diana, she’s a descendant of Charles II via the Dukes of Richmond.

 

[Blog Real]

A grandson of Queen Camilla broke an arm.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowb...breaks-arm-carry-Coronation-duties-sling.html

 

[Kaye1850]

A grandson of Queen Camilla broke an arm.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowb...breaks-arm-carry-Coronation-duties-sling.html

Commentators are no doubt grateful for an easy way to distinguish these lads;
the boys look very much alike.

 

[iceflower]

Queen Camilla had dinner with some members of her family on Monday:


** dm article: Queen Camilla spotted in Royal Blue for a rare family outing ..**

 

[muriel]

Queen Camilla had dinner with some members of her family on Monday:


** dm article: Queen Camilla spotted in Royal Blue for a rare family outing ..**

Its good to see that the Queen can escape for these very "normal" outings with family members from time to time, away from Palaces and engagements.

 

[PhillyMonarchist]

What’s the relationship like between the Windsors and Camilla children?

 

[Denville]

it is a private matter, and nothing to do with their roles

 

[iceflower]

Several members of the family have gathered for the launch of Tom's new book "Cooking and the Crown: Royal recipes from Queen Victoria to King Charles III" in London yesterday, September 5:


** dailymail article ** rex gallery **

 

[Healthy Sceptic]

Edit: thank you for moving this to the proper thread. It looks like it is old news, my apologies on both counts.

Queen Camilla appeared at her son's cookbook launch with her ex-husband Andrew. I feel uncomfortable with her appearing to promote the book. It seems to me to be a bit hypocritical to allow Tom to use his royal connections, and indeed to use the King's name, to make money while others are precluded from doing so (rightfully so, IMO, the Crown should not be used for commercial ventures).

Queen Camilla and Ex-Husband Andrew Parker Bowles Reunite In the Name of Food and Family

 

[Somebody]

How would you suggest she supports her son? Is she not allowed to show up at this book launch because she is not only his mother but also happend to be the queen? Or is your issue with the content of this book?

 

[Healthy Sceptic]

How would you suggest she supports her son? Is she not allowed to show up at this book launch because she is not only his mother but also happend to be the queen? Or is your issue with the content of this book?

I would suggest she support her son in private.
Back to my question, isn't it a bit hypocritical to use royal cache for monetary gain when others, actual royals, have been told blatantly not to do so?

 

[muriel]

Edit: thank you for moving this to the proper thread. It looks like it is old news, my apologies on both counts.

Queen Camilla appeared at her son's cookbook launch with her ex-husband Andrew. I feel uncomfortable with her appearing to promote the book. It seems to me to be a bit hypocritical to allow Tom to use his royal connections, and indeed to use the King's name, to make money while others are precluded from doing so (rightfully so, IMO, the Crown should not be used for commercial ventures).

Queen Camilla and Ex-Husband Andrew Parker Bowles Reunite In the Name of Food and Family

I see no wrong in the Queen appearing at the party for the launch of Tom P-B's book. He is an established food writer and restaurant critic, having written no fewer than 8 books. The Queen is not pushing or publicising his book, she is merely present at the launch party, as any mother would.

 

[SirGyamfi1]

Edit: thank you for moving this to the proper thread. It looks like it is old news, my apologies on both counts.

Queen Camilla appeared at her son's cookbook launch with her ex-husband Andrew. I feel uncomfortable with her appearing to promote the book. It seems to me to be a bit hypocritical to allow Tom to use his royal connections, and indeed to use the King's name, to make money while others are precluded from doing so (rightfully so, IMO, the Crown should not be used for commercial ventures).

Queen Camilla and Ex-Husband Andrew Parker Bowles Reunite In the Name of Food and Family

The book is about royal cuisine from Queen Victoria to King Charles III, not solely about Charles. He’s not writing anything personal about the royals, but favourite foods from mostly dead monarchs. Tom has no royal titles to exploit as he’s not royal or even formerly royal, the only thing “royal” is that his mother is the consort of the current monarch and that Charles was and is his godfather long before he became King. There are others who may not have familial connections to Charles, but have written books about royals etc. Also, Tom has been a food writer and columnist for years on food so he’s not some jumped up untalented bum trying to exploit connections for fame and credibility and money. He’s also not doing tasteless interviews talking about the royals to promote his work. Clearly, Tom is qualified and has credentials to back up his activities in the food industry as a writer.