Engagement of Prince Harry of Wales and Meghan Markle: November 27, 2017

[wyevale]

Her Majesty the Queen formally gave her assent to the Marriage of her Grandson, yesterday at a meeting of the Privy Council at Buckingham Palace...

 

[ACO]

I assume the wedding invitations will be sent out very soon. If going by the same time like as W&K, theirs was out like a week or so after her consent was given as well.

 

[Nico]

On a side note the Queen used the adjectives "trusty and well-beloved " for Kate back in 2011 ... but nothing for Meghan today.

https://www.royal.uk/her-majesty-qu...rriage-prince-william-and-catherine-middleton

A mere oversight i presume, and Kate was already "part of the family" so to speak.
Still in this age where every details counts (and the BRF is well aware of that), i presume it will be picked up by the press ...
Strange to say the least.

 

[ACO]

That is not actually accurate. In the initial privy consent it was the same language. You are referring to the more elaborate consent charter that was later placed on the official site. I assume the same will be done for Meghan.

Exhibits:

William and Kate - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYVhESiWAAEa85A.jpg
Harry and Meghan - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYVhESnXUAEsKge.jpg

The charter for W&K - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYVhu-eWkAAm-xe.jpg:large

I'll wait until the charter for H&M is issued. I am sure the langue will again be similar.

 

[Nico]

That is not actually accurate. In the initial privy consent it was the same language. You are referring to the more elaborate consent that was later placed on the official site. I assume the same will be done for Meghan.

Exhibits:

William and Kate - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYVhESiWAAEa85A.jpg
Harry and Meghan - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYVhESnXUAEsKge.jpg

The second for W&K - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYVhu-eWkAAm-xe.jpg:large

I'll wait until the second for H&M is issued. I am sure the langue will again be similar.

Now you're right ! i stand corrected thank you !
This lack of adjective was far too strange ....

 

[TLLK]

That is not actually accurate. In the initial privy consent it was the same language. You are referring to the more elaborate consent charter that was later placed on the official site. I assume the same will be done for Meghan.

Exhibits:

William and Kate - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYVhESiWAAEa85A.jpg
Harry and Meghan - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYVhESnXUAEsKge.jpg

The charter for W&K - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYVhu-eWkAAm-xe.jpg:large

I'll wait until the charter for H&M is issued. I am sure the langue will again be similar.

Yes I agree that Harry and Meghan will be presented with a similar and formal instrument of consent after their wedding.

 

[AlowVera]

Now you're right ! i stand corrected thank you !
This lack of adjective was far too strange ....

Thanks for Fact Checking. As a rule The Daily Mail is highly untrustworthy. Always double check them.

 

[monica_]

Personally I do not think whether using any adjective is an indicator or something, but detailed and more elobarate consent was already mentioned in this Privy Council order, at age five and it does not include any attributive word.

http://privycouncil.independent.gov...018/03/2018-03-14-List-of-Business-Part-1.pdf

 

[kathia_sophia]

Sorry if this was already discussed, but is Meghan to be called Rachel upon marriage or she'll continue to be called her second name Meghan? Catherine was known as Kate her whole life but she choose to use her real name Catherine upon marriage, I know if Meghan will do a similar thing...

 

[Pranter]

From what I understand she has always been Meghan, that's how the members of the BRF refer to her and how she intends to be called....I'm sure in formal situations (documents etc) her full name may be used.


LaRae

 

[Charlotte_Aster]

Since Kensington Palace always refers to as Ms. Meghan Markle, I think it is safe to presume that she will continue to be called Meghan.
Duchess of Cambridge always used Catherine as her name and not Elizabeth, her middle name.

 

[Nico]

Thanks for Fact Checking. As a rule The Daily Mail is highly untrustworthy. Always double check them.

Yes Mum
I didn't even know that the DM (unsurprisingly) picked up the stotry ...

Update :

So much for the fact checking. There was a difference between the two documents after all lol

 

[ACO]

Sorry if this was already discussed, but is Meghan to be called Rachel upon marriage or she'll continue to be called her second name Meghan? Catherine was known as Kate her whole life but she choose to use her real name Catherine upon marriage, I know if Meghan will do a similar thing...

No. She will be called Meghan. That is what she has been called all her life. The royal press even asked KP and they confirmed she will be called Meghan.

Rachel is her legal name so it will be used in that way but overall not what she will be called. Same with Harry/Henry.

 

[Mbruno]

On a side note the Queen used the adjectives "trusty and well-beloved " for Kate back in 2011 ... but nothing for Meghan today.

https://www.royal.uk/her-majesty-qu...rriage-prince-william-and-catherine-middleton

A mere oversight i presume, and Kate was already "part of the family" so to speak.
Still in this age where every details counts (and the BRF is well aware of that), i presume it will be picked up by the press ...
Strange to say the least.

Thanks for the interesting info, Nico.

I don't think the Queen is directly involved in drafting documents like that, but it is indeed intriguing that different wordings were used for Kate and Meghan.

 

[Nico]

Thanks for the interesting info, Nico.

I don't think the Queen is directly involved in drafting documents like that, but it is indeed intriguing that different wordings were used for Kate and Meghan.

Be careful !
As pointed out these are two different documents :

That is not actually accurate. In the initial privy consent it was the same language. You are referring to the more elaborate consent charter that was later placed on the official site. I assume the same will be done for Meghan.

Exhibits:

William and Kate - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYVhESiWAAEa85A.jpg
Harry and Meghan - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYVhESnXUAEsKge.jpg

The charter for W&K - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYVhu-eWkAAm-xe.jpg:large

I'll wait until the charter for H&M is issued. I am sure the langue will again be similar.

 

[Mbruno]

Be careful !
As pointed out these are two different documents :

Sorry, I hadn't seen the follow-up reply by ACO before I replied to your original post.

 

[monica_]

Sorry, I hadn't seen the follow-up reply by ACO before I replied to your original post.

This mentioned page does not cover the whole consent. You can reach the full version on Privy Council's website under the 'Orders in Council' section. At page five and six, detailed consent is being seen with different wording. ?

 

[Rudolph]

Does anyone have the full document for William and Catherine’s privy council consent?

In the full document for Harry and Meghan she’s still not “trusty and well beloved”.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYVT_HXW0AAo4ZN?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYVT_HXW0AIaPmP?format=jpg&name=medium

 

[TLLK]

Rudolph-I don't believe that we'll see the wording "trusty and well-beloved" until the Instrument of Consent charter is presented after the couple's wedding. I would imagine that this type of document with the elaborate calligraphy, the Queen's seal and decorations take time to craft.

 

[Rudolph]

Rudolph-I don't believe that we'll see the wording "trusty and well-beloved" until the Instrument of Consent charter is presented after the couple's wedding. I would imagine that this type of document with the elaborate calligraphy, the Queen's seal and decorations take time to craft.

Maybe. Just as easy to have “trusty and well beloved” in the document though.

 

[Lady Nimue]

Sorry if this was already discussed, but is Meghan to be called Rachel upon marriage or she'll continue to be called her second name Meghan? Catherine was known as Kate her whole life but she choose to use her real name Catherine upon marriage, I know if Meghan will do a similar thing...

My understanding is Catherine has always been Catherine. It has been the tabloids that began referencing her as Kate. There is a video of Catherine when she was a child (quite young, maybe 8 or 10) where you can hear someone calling to her and using Catherine (not Kate).

BTW the 'trusty and well-beloved' sounds very antique. Is that a convention from Medieval times? Anyone know? Did Diana and Sarah have that? For that matter, have all other brides, like Sophie and Autumn? Will Eugenie have that?

 

[ACO]

Does anyone have the full document for William and Catherine’s privy council consent?

In the full document for Harry and Meghan she’s still not “trusty and well beloved”.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYVT_HXW0AAo4ZN?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYVT_HXW0AIaPmP?format=jpg&name=medium

Here is the 2011 Privy for William and Kate

https://privycouncil.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/website-list-9-feb-2011.pdf

Here is Harry and Meghan's from yesterday.

http://privycouncil.independent.gov...018/03/2018-03-14-List-of-Business-Part-1.pdf

Again, folks keep referring to the charter which is a different document. That was released a few days before the wedding. I assume the same will happen with Harry and Meghan.

Here is the charter for William and Kate

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYV0lAhUQAAqrxJ.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYV028kWkAM3Yys.jpg:large

 

[Rudolph]

BTW the 'trusty and well-beloved' sounds very antique. Is that a convention from Medieval times? Anyone know? Did Diana and Sarah have that? For that matter, have all other brides, like Sophie and Autumn? Will Eugenie have that?

Eugenie is far enough down the succession not to need permission. I imagine Diana and Sarah have it.

It’s used in official documents when the Queen refers to peers of the realm.

The Duke of Marlborough is HM’s “trusty and well beloved cousin” even though they’re not cousins.

 

[monica_]

Here is the 2011 Privy for William and Kate

https://privycouncil.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/website-list-9-feb-2011.pdf

Again, folks keep referring to the charter which is a different document. That was released a few days before the wedding. I assume the same will happen with Harry and Meghan.

Here is the charter for William and Kate

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYV0lAhUQAAqrxJ.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYV028kWkAM3Yys.jpg:large

Difference is, 2011 Privy does not include detailed version of the consent. But today's order has this version with very similar wording of the 2011 William and Kate's charter except these mentioned adjectives.

 

[Rudolph]

Here is the 2011 Privy for William and Kate

https://privycouncil.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/website-list-9-feb-2011.pdf

Here is Harry and Meghan's from yesterday.

http://privycouncil.independent.gov...018/03/2018-03-14-List-of-Business-Part-1.pdf

Again, folks keep referring to the charter which is a different document. That was released a few days before the wedding. I assume the same will happen with Harry and Meghan.

Here is the charter for William and Kate

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYV0lAhUQAAqrxJ.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYV028kWkAM3Yys.jpg:large

I understand what you’re saying maybe you’re right. It’s just the entire document that was released for Harry “Trusty and well beloved” doesn’t appear.

The full document wasn’t released with William.

 

[ACO]

Well seems overall the privy is more detailed in 2018 vs 2011 with everything just skimming both documents. The only way one will truly know is when the charter is released in May. But the wording overall is pretty spot on. Literally word for word minus the names.

Also this is Zara's privy consent. Same language.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYWLRuuV4AALf_H.jpg:large

 

[Rudolph]

We have the more detailed document from 2018 for Harry and it’s basically word for word of William’s charter version minus “trusty and well beloved”

Seems odd at least to me to omit those words in the detailed document only to add them in the charter.

 

[Lady Nimue]

Eugenie is far enough down the succession not to need permission. I imagine Diana and Sarah have it.

It’s used in official documents when the Queen refers to peers of the realm.

The Duke of Marlborough is HM’s “trusty and well beloved cousin” even though they’re not cousins.

Thank you, Rudolph. I assume Medieval in origin.

 

[ACO]

You could be right. No way of knowing until the charter is released. Could have the same language or not.

 

[Madame Verseau]

Wording or not, the Queen has officially given consent. The document from 2011 did not have trusty and well beloved, the flourishes would be on the charter. Of course the tabloids are trying to create a scandal, implying the queen is throwing shade at Meghan without presenting the Will and Kate document. If there was a problem with Meghan the queen would have never given consent. Samantha and Nikkai Priddy can't be happy now because it shows their hit pieces on Meghan didn't work; and that is something to cheer about.