Emperor Friedrich III (1831-1888) and Victoria (Empress Frederick) (1840-1901)


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Today in Royal History is the 118th Death Anniversary of HIM The Empress Frederick or more popularly known as HRH Victoria, Princess Royal.

Amongst her current descendants are Queen Sofia of Spain, King Constantine II of Greece, Margareta, Custodian of the Romanian Crown, Crown Prince Alexander of Serbia, Prince Amedeo of Savoy-Aosta, Duke of Aosta, Moritz, Landgrave of Hesse and Georg Friedrich, Prince of Prussia.
 
3 Emperors in one year : Wilhelm I , Frederick III (already very ill) and Wilhelm II.
 
maria-olivia said:
3 Emperors in one year : Wilhelm I , Frederick III (already very ill) and Wilhelm II.
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Years like that happen very rarely. Those I can think of are:
Year 69 - The year of four Emperors of Rome (Galba, Otho, Vitellus, Vespasian)
Year 1762 - Russia (Elisabeth, Peter III, Catherine the Great)
Year 1830 - France (Charles X, Duke of Angouleme (20 minutes by default), Duke of Chambord (7 days by default), Louis Philippe)
Year 1888 - Germany
Year 1937 - The year of three Kings United Kingdom (George V, Edward VIII, George VI)

With the exception of Germany and UK none of the other years have had such a rapid succession of monarchs because of natural causes. Can you think of anymore examples?
 
No , Actually the Monarchs are in good health. Cancer is not fort them , lucky !
When they are tired , they abdicate ........
 
Are there any books on Princess Charlotte, the daughter of Kaiser Frederich III and Kaiserin Victoria? I recently finished reading "Young Wilhelm", the first book of John Rohl's extensive three volume series on Kaiser Wilhelm II. Rohl gave just enough information on Princess Charlotte to make me want to learn more. Thanks.
 
CyrilVladisla said:
Did Emperor Friedrich III try to back his wife Victoria with Princess Viktoria Moretta's wish to marry Prince Alexander of Battenberg?
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Yes, he did. Initially, he was against it but Vicky brought him around to her way of thinking, as she did on most everything. For an interesting account of this, read John Rohl's book "Young Wilhelm". It extensively details this battle for Viktoria Moretta to be able to marry Prince Alexander of Battenberg.
 
I haven't seen much commemoration of Emperor Frederick II but when I read that there is a commemorative stone for him in Juelich, in the old Rhine province his parents liked, I went there to take photos.

It's a huge stone with a medaillon.

In Aachen, not far away from Juelich, there is an equestrian statue of "our Fritz". I have seen it often but didn't take photos :-(

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser-Friedrich-Denkmal_(Aachen)

Sorry the link is in German. I found that there are actually more commemorative statues and plaques than I thought. Here is a link:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_III._(Deutsches_Reich)#Denkmäler

He is my favorite Hohenzollern by far.
 

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If Frederick III, Emperor of Germany had lived, could he have stopped the World Wars?
 
Frederick as Crown Prince c. 1878.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Emperor_Friedrich_III.png

Frederick William, ca. 1841.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...ilhelm_Nikolaus_Karl_von_Preußen,_ca_1841.jpg

Crown Prince Frederick William of Prussia, 1867, by Oskar Begas.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...nprinz_Friedrich_Wilhelm_von_Preußen_1867.jpg

Frederick and his son, Wilhelm, in October 1863 at Balmoral castle.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...lhelm_II._at_Balmoral_Castle._-_Oct._1863.jpg

Prince Frederick William of Prussia with his wife and two older children, Prince William and Princess Charlotte. Portrait by Franz Xaver Winterhalter, 1862.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...own_Princess_Frederick_William_of_Prussia.jpg

Victoria - Crown Princess of Prussia, 1860s.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Victoria,_German_Empress.jpg

Kaiser-Friedrich-Mausoleum (Potsdam): Frederick is entombed in this sarcophagus, which bears his likeness on top.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...,_Potsdam,_Berlin,_Germany-LCCN2002713635.jpg

Emperor Frederick III and Empress Victoria mausoleum at the Friedenskirche, Sanssouci.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/37/Frederick_III_and_Victoria_Mausoleum_Potsdam.jpg
 
Blog Real said:
Prince Francis Frederick Sigismund of Prussia died of meningitis when he was just 1 year old. He was the son of Emperor Friedrich III and Empress Victoria of Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Sigismund_of_Prussia_(1864–1866)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Sigismund_(1).jpg
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Oh! From the page I looked up the Kaiser took all the medical professionals available

duchessrachel said:
Yes, he did. Initially, he was against it but Vicky brought him around to her way of thinking, as she did on most everything. For an interesting account of this, read John Rohl's book "Young Wilhelm". It extensively details this battle for Viktoria Moretta to be able to marry Prince Alexander of Battenberg.
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The marriage was stopped due to diplomatic issues.
 
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^^I don’t know whether all the physicians were taken. Certainly all the Court ones were. The Prussian armies were going to war with Austria at the time. Sigi became ill while his father Crown Prince Fritz, who was in a senior command in the field, was away with the troops so Vicky, Sigi’s mother, was alone.

Apparently she called in a physician from Potsdam, who proved to be incompetent (though perhaps her son would have died even if treated by the Court doctors). The little boy constantly convulsed for five days until he died. Sigismund was the first of Victoria’s grandchildren to die prematurely. Extremely sad, especially when you realise that another of Vicky and Fritz’s sons, Waldemar, born in 1868, was also to die in childhood.
 
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Curryong said:
^^I don’t know whether all the physicians were taken. Certainly all the Court ones were. The Prussian armies were going to war with Austria at the time. Sigi became ill while his father Crown Prince Fritz, who was in a senior command in the field, was away with the troops so Vicky, Sigi’s mother, was alone.

Apparently she called in a physician from Potsdam, who proved to be incompetent (though perhaps her son would have died even if treated by the Court doctors). The little boy constantly convulsed for five days until he died. Sigismund was the first of Victoria’s grandchildren to die prematurely. Extremely sad, especially when you realise that another of Vicky and Fritz’s sons, Waldemar, born in 1868, was also to die in childhood.
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Yes, very said indeed. Similar thing happened when I think one of the Hohenzollern princes (unless I’m wrong)was injured after WWI, but the doctors available were ordered to help American soldiers and without assistance he died.
 
Yes, that was Prince Henry’s eldest son at the end of WW2. Henrik was Fritz and Vicky’s second son. Henry and his wife Irene of Hesse had three sons, two of whom (the eldest and the youngest) turned out to be haemophiliacs. The youngest, also a Sigismund, died in early childhood.

The eldest I think was another Waldemar. He and his wife fled the Russians advance in 1945. He needed a blood transfusion because of his condition, reached a town, got one, US troops then took charge, but all the doctors, hospital and medical facilities were turned over to saving the occupants of a nearby concentration camp who were, as you can imagine, in a terrible state. So Waldemar couldn’t get a second transfusion and soon died.
 
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Curryong said:
Yes, that was Prince Henry’s eldest son at the end of WW2. Henrik was Fritz and Vicky’s second son. Henry and his wife Irene of Hesse had three sons, two of whom (the eldest and the youngest) turned out to be haemophiliacs. The youngest, also a Sigismund, died in early childhood.

The eldest I think was another Waldemar. He and his wife fled the Russians advance in 1945. He needed a blood transfusion because of his condition, reached a town, got one, US troops then took charge, but all the doctors, hospital and medical facilities were turned over to saving the occupants of a nearby concentration camp who were, as you can imagine, in a terrible state. So Waldemar couldn’t get a second transfusion and soon died.
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Precisely what happened. Thanks for that. A lot of the Hohenzollerns fell into obscurity after all the mess.
 
Did Queen Victoria send a physician from Enland to look after Prince Sigismund?
 
CyrilVladisla said:
Did Queen Victoria send a physician from Enland to look after Prince Sigismund?
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Not as far as I have ever read. I believe German physicians had a great reputation in England and all over Europe at the time. Vicky did manage to get one from Potsdam, as I said, but he wasn’t much good. Meningitis was a child killer at the time (still a serious condition today) and probably the best physicians in England wouldn’t have been able to save him, without the treatments we have now. Sigi was ill for only a little over a week and perhaps it was thought that somehow by some miracle he’d recover.
 
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The issue with Vicky and the thing that people sometimes overlook is that she could be arrogant and extra, for example insisting on English doctors instead of German ones. She really didn’t endear herself to the Prussian court and probably her political involvements. Also, her “liberal Albertine” tendencies, Prince Albert really overestimated her ability to be a liberal instrument to the Prussian court.
 
Yes, Vicky could be arrogant and stubborn and very much wedded to English ideas, which her mother encouraged.

However, when English medical professionals were thought to be needed it tended to be Queen Victoria who sent them of her own volition, such as dr Morell Mackenzie, who treated Fritz’s throat condition about a year before he died, and also insisting on sending Dr James Clark and the midwife Mrs Innocent when Vicky was about to have her first child.

On that occasion it was the Berlin specialist Dr Martin who saved the life of both mother and baby. All the other doctors, both German and English, were virtually ineffectual. However Queen Victoria did also send a bottle of chloroform, which assisted Vicky in bearing the pain of a horror birth.
 
I’m sure she could be good, like any person in history she had her faults, but I feel too many people overlook her issues and see her as a victim of the Kaiser.
 
Princess Charlotte of Prussia had an interest in social justice issues.
 
Why did King Friedrich III of Prussia not have Friedrich I as his regnal name for Emperor of Germany?
 
CyrilVladisla said:
Why did King Friedrich III of Prussia not have Friedrich I as his regnal name for Emperor of Germany?
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Because he was the third Friedrich as King of Prussia. If he had gone with the numbering of german Emperors he should have been Friedrich IV. as there had been previously three Emperors with the name Friedrich
 
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