Discussion about Sofia Hellqvist's Past & Future Role in the Royal Family

[Marengo]

Just curious, how do you think Margrethe or Beatrix would have reacted if one of their boy's had brought Ms. Hellqvist to them for approval. Really, not being snarky here. Many mothers would have misgiving's royal or not so I wonder about The queen in this case.

We will never know for certain, but for Beatrix & Claus: I gather that never in a million years would a woman with Sofia's resume be accepted, not even for the van Vollenhovens. Apart from the pictures, the general lack of an education, carreer and purpose in life wouldn't have won her any credits. Much more suitable candidates have been sidelined for less and a former prime minister once said that Beatrix had very high standards for her potential daughter-in-laws and disapproved ofmost girlfriends. The standards mostly related to intellect, carreer, politics, thoughts about life and such.

WA's last girlfriend before Maxima was Emily Bremers, who majored in Law, she was considered too 'light' for the job. I believe that in the beginning of the relationship B&C introduced Máxima to Prince Claus' friend Avi Primor, the former Israeli ambassador to Germany, and asked him about his impressions. However, it is not assumed that she ever forced her sons to break up with somebody (perhaps there are other ways).

In the end the monarch isn't only a mother or father, but also a head of a state and responsible for representing the country in a dignified way and for keeping the family relevant (or on the throne). But of course Carl Gustav is no Beatrix. He once said in an interview that Beatrix was 'very ambitious', to which Queen Silvia hastily added that he meant that in a positive way (where would he be without her ).

 

[roseroyal]

I read that Beatrix was very strict with Maxima.

 

[amaryllus]

Max may dress quirkily but she seems a very good person, queen,wife and mother. If Silvia was the type to be as exacting it might be a good thing.

 

[Dman]

All the harshness directed towards Sofia will die down after while. Trust me, they'll get over it. The palace PR team is behind her now. Prince Carl Philip and Sofia are moving on to bigger and brighter things while others are stuck in the past.

I'm looking forward to the royal couple conducting official engagements in the days and months to come.

 

[amaryllus]

that is,If you think soft porn princesses are great representatives of a country....

 

[Dman]

that is,If you think soft porn princesses are great representatives of a country....

Well, you can't find perfect people to marry into royal families who aren't perfect themselves.

 

[amaryllus]

No, but you can look for people who have not sold photo's of their hoo ha's and party with porn stars. Crazy talk I know, but a middle ground is reasonable.

 

[RoyalNight]

As I just have read here Sofia was only 16 when she posed naked?? Wow! Where on earth were her parents? She was very young and I' m not surprised that she fell for a promise of a great career and popularity. Her parents should have protect her and sa.y no. I'm shocked

 

[moby]

Great, let's blame the parents now. Though they may be responsible to a point, that's giving little credit to thousands of 16-year olds in the world who are so much more underprivileged but managed to make it in the world without resorting to selling soft porn photos of themselves.

 

[roseroyal]

I don't blame the parents, but I do wonder what kind of people they are.

 

[Pranter]

I do blame the parents. As I understand it her mother (no idea about her father) approved of it/allowed it. What kind of parent thinks it's ok for their teenager to pose nude?


LaRae

 

[PetticoatLane]

We will never know for certain, but for Beatrix & Claus: I gather that never in a million years would a woman with Sofia's resume be accepted, not even for the van Vollenhovens.

Did Beatrix not approve the marriage of one of her sons to the ex-girlfriend of a drug lord? A woman who then admitted to lying to the government about the relationship? The Dutch government, from what I remember, refused to give their permission to the match because of the lies she told them. Given the apparently incredibly high standards Beatrix had for her sons, it's amazing that she approved of such a match, whatever Mabel's educational background.

I do not hold Mabel's past mistakes against her and I believe the same should be true of Sofia. Mabel proved herself a worthy wife to Prince Friso and, from what I can see, was accepted as a member of the royal house. Sofia deserves the chance to do the same.

I've seen one or two comments about CG's apparent unhappiness in the pictures/video, but this rather misses the point that he never looks anything other than miserable as sin. He always looks as if someone's just pinched his last cookie.

 

[tommy100]

Did Beatrix not approve the marriage of one of her sons to the ex-girlfriend of a drug lord? A woman who then admitted to lying to the government about the relationship? The Dutch government, from what I remember, refused to give their permission to the match because of the lies she told them. Given the apparently incredibly high standards Beatrix had for her sons, it's amazing that she approved of such a match, whatever Mabel's educational background.

I do not hold Mabel's past mistakes against her and I believe the same should be true of Sofia. Mabel proved herself a worthy wife to Prince Friso and, from what I can see, was accepted as a member of the royal house. Sofia deserves the chance to do the same.

I've seen one or two comments about CG's apparent unhappiness in the pictures/video, but this rather misses the point that he never looks anything other than miserable as sin. He always looks as if someone's just pinched his last cookie.

For me its not just the fact that in a past life so to speak, Sofia made mistakes by posing for those type of photographs,its about how she has conducted herself since. All the 'look at me' appearances on the red carpet at royal events,the willingness to put her self out there rather than trying to lie low and avoid the press. Mabel made mistakes but later in life she acted more appropriately, to me Sofia shows no respect for monarchy and doesn't see than being a royal is not the same as being a celebrity.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Well, you can't find perfect people to marry into royal families who aren't perfect themselves.

That is true Dman. There is not a Royal family extent today which doesn't have some ugly skeletons rattling around the closet. And even if the "perfect" Royal girlfriend or boyfriend existed, no one would be interested. Even canonized saints did not always lead perfect lives.

What a public who supports a monarchy's privileged life by their tax dollars does deserve and expect is that a Royal family will represent them well. They have the right to demand that these people select spouses that are the public face of their dynasties and their countries based on other things in addition to a feeling of love, or because "she makes me feel comfortable". This narcissistic, short sighted approach to marriage and relationships is not exclusive to Royals, but there is a little more at stake when the members of a representative monarchy have this attitude.

I have been grazing the Boards all afternoon and have just seen a serious of photos of Hellqvist that have almost shocked me speechless. Seriously, I thought I had seen the worst of this woman's portfolio as a...."glamour model"...but I didn't know the half.

Anyone who believes that it's simply a matter of a young girl standing around scantily clad are misinformed, is all I can say.

 

[Lady Nimue]

But can she stay out of the limelight is my question?

In a sense, it's no longer in her hands. She is now news big time for the tabloids. The photographers will be out in droves I suspect. A Roman Circus - and once they are married with children - the die is cast. It will be something Victoria will forever have to deal with. But I guess it's something they have considered and are (ostensibly) okay with.

If Carl Philip is a bit dim as someone says, and Sofia is equally spacey, they are probably a very happy pair. (BTW, 'porn stars' are not bad people - they just do something that society frowns upon. In my experience, exhibitionists are not without considerable warm-heartedness, with a good natured way about themselves. They are for sure not up-tight - goes without saying.)

But a thought has been floated among my friends and I: the family just beat their way back from the King's scandal - it's not that long ago. Does that demi-monde have something more on the King? Is there some arm-twisting going on? Have to admit, it's going to lend spice to every SRF appearance from now on. But honestly - while I regret the situation as it has unfolded for the SRF - I think she is going to be fun - especially for the men. It will be the subtext always.

 

[QueenJen]

If you marry a royal, and become a Princess, especially one who is the son of the reigning king, there should be a maturity in that person which is isn't one of 'Look at me! Look at me! Look at me!". That is immature and does not speak well for how she would represent Sweden. I hope she matures quickly in the next year - both she and CP. For Sweden.

 

[PetticoatLane]

No-one who marries into a royal family is without a 'Look at me!' side to them. Consciously or subconsciously, people who marry royals do so because they want some degree of public profile. Some of them are just better at hiding it than others. It's like film and TV actors saying that they never wanted to be famous, they just chose their career for the love of the profession - total rubbish. It goes with the territory.

Did Princess Mary not attend some sort of 'make me a star' course before and after she met Frederik? Evidently she was hoping for some sort of career in the spotlight, but no-one holds that against her, which I agree with.

 

[RoyalNight]

Great, let's blame the parents now. Though they may be responsible to a point, that's giving little credit to thousands of 16-year olds in the world who are so much more underprivileged but managed to make it in the world without resorting to selling soft porn photos of themselves.

Not all 16-year-olds are mature and smart enough to think of consequencies of such photos. I think it must be hard for a teenage girl to resign from a chance of career and popularity. I totally blame parents, she was a minor and it was their decision. They should have known better. I just can't imagine how someone would let their child to pose naked...

 

[sophie25]

I can just picture her at gala dinners. Over the top gown; elaborate hairdo; Order of the Seraphim and as many jewels as she can hang on herself. Then she turns around and that horrible big Sun tattoo is sitting at the top of her back ruining it all ha, ha. Priceless!

BTW I am in agreement with the poster who questioned the re-writing of history with regards to Sophia's nude stuff. In the pics I have seen she is clearly over 16 and when she was "crowned" Miss Slitz and done that reality show she was older then that as well.

 

[amaryllus]

Sofia said out right she wanted to be famous and attention is an addiction also....Can she stand down to Victoria, her children or the monarch shine?

I can just picture her at gala dinners. Over the top gown; elaborate hairdo; Order of the Seraphim and as many jewels as she can hang on herself. Then she turns around and that horrible big Sun tattoo is sitting at the top of her back ruining it all ha, ha. Priceless!

Klassy!

 

[roseroyal]

Did Beatrix not approve the marriage of one of her sons to the ex-girlfriend of a drug lord? A woman who then admitted to lying to the government about the relationship? The Dutch government, from what I remember, refused to give their permission to the match because of the lies she told them. Given the apparently incredibly high standards Beatrix had for her sons, it's amazing that she approved of such a match, whatever Mabel's educational background.

I do not hold Mabel's past mistakes against her and I believe the same should be true of Sofia. Mabel proved herself a worthy wife to Prince Friso and, from what I can see, was accepted as a member of the royal house. Sofia deserves the chance to do the same.

I've seen one or two comments about CG's apparent unhappiness in the pictures/video, but this rather misses the point that he never looks anything other than miserable as sin. He always looks as if someone's just pinched his last cookie.

I forgot about Princess Mabel. Good example. And I like her.

In a sense, it's no longer in her hands. She is now news big time for the tabloids. The photographers will be out in droves I suspect. A Roman Circus - and once they are married with children - the die is cast. It will be something Victoria will forever have to deal with. But I guess it's something they have considered and are (ostensibly) okay with.

If Carl Philip is a bit dim as someone says, and Sofia is equally spacey, they are probably a very happy pair. (BTW, 'porn stars' are not bad people - they just do something that society frowns upon. In my experience, exhibitionists are not without considerable warm-heartedness, with a good natured way about themselves. They are for sure not up-tight - goes without saying.)

But a thought has been floated among my friends and I: the family just beat their way back from the King's scandal - it's not that long ago. Does that demi-monde have something more on the King? Is there some arm-twisting going on? Have to admit, it's going to lend spice to every SRF appearance from now on. But honestly - while I regret the situation as it has unfolded for the SRF - I think she is going to be fun - especially for the men. It will be the subtext always.

I agree with that, the middle paragraph, I think even though I don't understand such people, but I still cannot decide if I like her yet.

 

[miche]

that is,If you think soft porn princesses are great representatives of a country....

Not any worse than killers and mafia connected people as representatives of a country

No-one who marries into a royal family is without a 'Look at me!' side to them. Consciously or subconsciously, people who marry royals do so because they want some degree of public profile. Some of them are just better at hiding it than others. It's like film and TV actors saying that they never wanted to be famous, they just chose their career for the love of the profession - total rubbish. It goes with the territory.

Did Princess Mary not attend some sort of 'make me a star' course before and after she met Frederik? Evidently she was hoping for some sort of career in the spotlight, but no-one holds that against her, which I agree with.

Yes she did, there is this old footage of her at starmakers and their a photos of her too online

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfMZObKeQ1Y

 

[Lady Nimue]

I agree with that, the middle paragraph, I think even though I don't understand such people, but I still cannot decide if I like her yet.

She may be an acquired taste - and totally well meaning and harmless. Rather than being a tad manic - which on first blush she seems she may be - she may be instead genuinely someone who is enthusiastic and never lets other people get her down. An admirable quality, if a bit annoying when such a one is needed to 'come to heel'.

We should not forget Bernardine Eugénie Désirée Clary Bernadotte! How would have Queen Désirée Bernadotte fared in our modern world? After all, royalty has a long history of being eccentric.

 

[COUNTESS]

Look, Carl Phillip Loves Sofia. She loves him. It's not like the world will end. She made some foolish choices when she was young, many make foolish choices all their lives. Some here have this inflated idea of today's royalty. They are just "celebrities "who happen to be born into this job of prince or king etc. Kings have affairs, as do princes and some princesses, or whatever. Lots of nasty things go on, like in the real world. They receive much for the luck of birth. In Sweden the king or queen is just a figurehead, today. I do hope people cut them some slack and do as one should, which is do not judge them, because who are you (a collective you)to judge them? Queen Beatrix was always supportive of Mabel, as was Sonja of Mette-Marit. And you know those women are wonderful.

 

[amaryllus]

We can have certain opinions and reservations about the situation though.

 

[camelot23ca]

I can see why people have reservations regarding Sofia. I don't think posing naked in magazines and participating in a racy reality TV show are positives for potential royalty, (or really for anyone). And unfortunately this is the sort of thing that will follow someone for the rest of his or her life. Sofia won't get the usual period of good will and friendliness that most new royal spouses get because her previous actions have been so polarizing.

That being said, it doesn't seem like she's going to be playing a major official role anyway. Carl Philip's dedication to and participation in royal life seems, let's say "underwhelming." The current King seems in good health and by the time Victoria becomes queen, Estelle and her potential siblings will likely be old enough to start playing more of an official role, so I don't anticipate CP or Madeleine ever having to ramp up their royal duties much beyond what they're doing now. None of them will ever be representing the country in the same way that Victoria and Daniel will.

In terms of the Swedish monarchy, I think the potentially valuable role Sofia has is that of supportive daughter in law, sister in law and aunt to the main royal line.

 

[LadyFinn]

That being said, it doesn't seem like she's going to be playing a major official role anyway. Carl Philip's dedication to and participation in royal life seems, let's say "underwhelming." The current King seems in good health and by the time Victoria becomes queen, Estelle and her potential siblings will likely be old enough to start playing more of an official role, so I don't anticipate CP or Madeleine ever having to ramp up their royal duties much beyond what they're doing now. None of them will ever be representing the country in the same way that Victoria and Daniel will.

In terms of the Swedish monarchy, I think the potentially valuable role Sofia has is that of supportive daughter in law, sister in law and aunt to the main royal line.

No one of us knows, what kind of role Carl Philip and Sofia will have after the wedding. It might well be that Sofia pushes Carl Philip to do more royal work duties which she can attend too.
Madeleine is obviously living in New York at least for a few years or maybe the rest of her life and she doesn't take part at the royal duties except the big family celebrations, national day and Nobel ceremonies. So there is room for Sofia, and knowing how much she loves attention, it will be interesting to see, if she uses this opportunity. And if Victoria and Madeleine will be on maternity leaves during the next years, someone has to work...¨

 

[amaryllus]

I agree totally-She can be low key support; My Question is, given how indulged and catered to CP and Mad seem to be if, theoretically mind you, Sofia wanted more attention/spot light for her or the children than is totally appropriate and CP demanded it to placate her, would the king agree to this also?

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

No one of us knows, what kind of role Carl Philip and Sofia will have after the wedding. It might well be that Sofia pushes Carl Philip to do more royal work duties which she can attend too.
Madeleine is obviously living in New York at least for a few years or maybe the rest of her life and she doesn't take part at the royal duties except the big family celebrations, national day and Nobel ceremonies. So there is room for Sofia, and knowing how much she loves attention, it will be interesting to see, if she uses this opportunity. And if Victoria and Madeleine will be on maternity leaves during the next years, someone has to work...¨

On the cover of Expressen
Göran Hägg's attack against Sofia and Carl Philip's wedding: A catastrophe
http://z.cdn-expressen.se/images/2014/06/29/a835519730ae49d28c89598faaf2bb44/502@70.jpg

I agree with this scenario although pushing CP to work more sounds like trouble for the relationship. He is as lazy as hell, unless car racing or designing (copying designs?) starts counting as royal work.

 

[amaryllus]

From most of these post 's I gather the only people who act particularly royal or content Is Victoria and by extension her own family...the king looks like was weaned on a pickle, the Queen is quietly bland, the other two grown children are pampered and work shy and the new one has shown the world everything.

What am I missing here?