Originally Posted by Miss Hathaway View Post
I wonder if Penny is including in this most recent book how Camilla Parker-Bowles assisted The Sun's editor for ten years from 1982 to 1992?
I've heard this story before. Sometimes it is the Sun and sometimes it is the Express. The vast majority of royal watchers acknowledge that the Duchess of Cornwall has never talked to the press. Unlike Diana, who was in constant contact with people like Richard Kay.
I dont understand what do you mean here. Are you implying if someone ever did something wrong, no matter what was the reason, these people are forever wrong person?
Diana's stepmother have forgiven her. They even became really good friend at the end. That told a lot about her step mother, but also a lot of Diana. I dont think her step mother would forgive a unrepenting person, right?
[ Camilla had her friends do the dirty work for her. Her hands were just as dirty as Diana's.]
Produce evidence please, rather than just slander... ?
You and Dman obviously don't understand that domestic violence is always wrong. It doesn't matter whether someone had to go to the hospital or not, someone is always hurt. It's good that the perpetrator feels remorse later, but that doesn't excuse what happened. It sort of like saying: "well, he shouldn't have murdered her, but look at the pretty flowers he sent to her funeral."
I don't know that Diana was repentant. She certainly didn't seem to be on the Settelin tapes. She actually seemed proud of herself.
It is nice that Diana's stepmother forgave her, whether Diana was repentant or not. It says a lot about Raine Spencer. It's too bad that Diana didn't follow her example. Diana was famous for her tendency to cut off friends over pretty minor matters.
[ Camilla had her friends do the dirty work for her. Her hands were just as dirty as Diana's.]
Produce evidence please, rather than just slander... ?
Thanks. I will check out the biography documentary if it is online. The reason I doubt the veracity is that few negative Diana stories have been broken by The Sun. Most of the media was extraordinarily positive the first few years of the marriage. Things started to turn after Harry's birth, but it wasn't just The Sun.It isn't just a story. Stuart Higgins flatly says it. He is on the A&E Biography video about Camilla saying so, and he is quoted in Sally Bedell Smith's book about Diana. Here is a snippet:
". . . Stuart Higgins, editor of The Sun from 1994 to 1998, conducted regular
off-the-record conversations with Camilla Parker Bowles from 1982 to 1992, when he was a reporter and junior editor. He had first known her when he was covering weekend sporting events and when he returned from an assignment in the United States in 1982, he got in touch with her.
"I talked to her once a week for ten years," said Higgins. "I talked to her
about Charles and Diana. She guided me on things that were not true, or things that were off beam. Everything was behind closed doors, and
I didn't write about her, although I spoke to her all the time during that period. . . ."
Originally Posted by Miss Hathaway View Post
It isn't just a story. Stuart Higgins flatly says it. He is on the A&E Biography video about Camilla saying so, and he is quoted in Sally Bedell Smith's book about Diana. Here is a snippet:
". . . Stuart Higgins, editor of The Sun from 1994 to 1998, conducted regular
off-the-record conversations with Camilla Parker Bowles from 1982 to 1992, when he was a reporter and junior editor. He had first known her when he was covering weekend sporting events and when he returned from an assignment in the United States in 1982, he got in touch with her.
"I talked to her once a week for ten years," said Higgins. "I talked to her
about Charles and Diana. She guided me on things that were not true, or things that were off beam. Everything was behind closed doors, and
I didn't write about her, although I spoke to her all the time during that period. . . ."
Thanks. I will check out the biography documentary if it is online. The reason I doubt the veracity is that few negative Diana stories have been broken by The Sun. Most of the media was extraordinarily positive the first few years of the marriage. Things started to turn after Harry's birth, but it wasn't just The Sun.
James Whitacre was the first to report that Diana suffered from an eating disorder and, IIRC, it was the News of the World that first reported Barry Manakee had been transferred because he was too close to Princess Diana. The biggest story broken by The Sun were the edited Squidgygate tapes, but since they were closely followed by unedited Camillagate tapes, it is unlikely Charles or Camilla had anything to do with that.
I don't know that Diana was repentant. She certainly didn't seem to be on the Settelin tapes. She actually seemed proud of herself.
Here are some of the unflattering stories from The Sun:
1982 The Sun reports problems in the marriage. Examples of headlines: "A
Public Bust-up!"....."Pregnant Di Falls down Stairs" "Are Charles and
Diana Moving Apart?"
Throughout 1982, headline coverage on the marriage continues :
"Loveless Marriage" "Disco Diana dumps Charles" "Old Flame the Prince
Won't Forget..." "Fears for Di's Health"
There are other headlines here: The Royals And The Press | Princess And The Press | FRONTLINE | PBS
It was the same when she talked about slapping her father because he married Raine. It was the Settelen tapes that convinced me that Diana was capable of doing the things she was accused of, because she was so remorseless when talking about how she physically hurt people. I agree that she did very good public work, but her personal life was a shambles.
I dont believe Diana had pushed her step mother hard off the stairs. Use common sense, at her age, she would be definitely seiously hurt if she fell off the stairs. In this case, in no way the news would not go to the headline, and in no way the Charles's would not use this story to bash Diana.
I am saying her behavior was right. I just think it was not appropriate to use this example to convince a person that Diana'd ever lightly pushed a person, or slapped a person, so she was capable to kill a person.
I think the Charles' camp havent used this story to bash Diana is not because they have any decency, it is because Raine Spencer is still alive, in this case they are unable to write the story as much as they like. Mark my words, once Raine Spencer died, the dead meat eater would come out. From the "Diana warned to kill Camilla" story, one can see how shameless they are.
Here are some of the unflattering stories from The Sun:
1982 The Sun reports problems in the marriage. Examples of headlines: "A
Public Bust-up!"....."Pregnant Di Falls down Stairs" "Are Charles and
Diana Moving Apart?"
Throughout 1982, headline coverage on the marriage continues :
"Loveless Marriage" "Disco Diana dumps Charles" "Old Flame the Prince
Won't Forget..." "Fears for Di's Health"
There are other headlines here: The Royals And The Press | Princess And The Press | FRONTLINE | PBS
I've heard this story before. Sometimes it is the Sun and sometimes it is the Express. The vast majority of royal watchers acknowledge that the Duchess of Cornwall has never talked to the press. Unlike Diana, who was in constant contact with people like Richard Kay.
Miss Hathaway,
The information about Camilla's weekly chats with journalists during the first 10 years of the Wales' marriage not only appears in the Bedell book, it is verified by Tina Brown in her own biography of the late princess.
Neither book is exactly flattering to Diana, so it's not a case of a hagiographers view of the events as they happened.
I never not once doubted that Camilla and her friends were speaking to journalists on Charles' behalf. She was simply far more clever about it than Diana was.
It's been a long time since I read either Bedell or Tina Brown but it seems as though they used Stuart Higgins as the source, which makes sense. So far the only quote I can find from him indicates that he used Camilla to either confirm or deny information he already had. Apparently Higgins denied even doing that for a while and then acknowledged that they stayed in touch.
It makes some difference but not a lot to me. Diana was also briefing reporters. It just evens the playing field a bit.
Changing tune, are you? If Camilla was in fact, as confirmed by Stuart Higgins, briefing on Charles' behalf, now 'it doent make a difference'? If you are going to throw stink bombs at the first wife for talking to the press , while saying the then mistress, now second wife would NEVER do that, at least acknowledge that St Camilla aint so saintly. Sometimes I wonder if some of Camilla's fans here are not old enough to actually remember what transpired, as opposed to reading Penny Junor's poison rehashed over and over again.
Diana was a ticking time bomb in several ways and when someone listened (stranger or not) she would flood you with stories about her private life. She also did this with Barbara Walters over an intimate lunch.
It's wonderful that her stepmother forgave her. It says a lot about the character of her stepmother.
However, this is about Diana. Pushing someone down the stairs is wrong. It is a crime. It is not nice. There is no excuse for it. I don't care if Diana made appearances for charity or said she cared about other people--pushing her stepmother down the stairs was a bad thing to do.
All families have drama--few people actually push another family member down the stairs. At least I hope it is only a few people. Some posters are making me wonder... I hope I don't met some of you in a back alley somewhere. Some posters sound really nasty.
Camilla is not the subject of this thread. Neither is Charles.US Royal Watcher, I did not say that my family has gone though this nor did I mention that we need some professional help. Don't try to turn this around on me and make it seem like I'm a victim of domestic violence within my family. Don't get it twisted.
I said that I've seen families go through ups and downs with each other and then can go on to be friends and buddies the next day. What Diana and her family went through is something a lot of families go through. If help is needed, some seek it and some don't. It seems like what Diana and her stepmother went through was a little incident and no one was harmed in the process. They moved on long ago and so should we.
Camilla had her friends do the dirty work for her. Her hands were just as dirty as Diana's.
I think Diana had a very understanding and forgiving stepmother.I dont understand what do you mean here. Are you implying if someone ever did something wrong, no matter what was the reason, these people are forever wrong person?
Diana's stepmother have forgiven her. They even became really good friend at the end. That told a lot about her step mother, but also a lot of Diana. I dont think her step mother would forgive a unrepenting person, right?
The statement about "shoving Raine down the stairs" came from Diana herself via the Settelen Tapes. No his camp, no hers! I am amazed at the lengths some Diana apologists are willing to go to to protect their vision of a perfect Diana, even in essence, calling Diana herself a liar by saying she only lightly pushed her stepmother down a step! Downgrading the incident is chilling.I dont believe Diana had pushed her step mother hard off the stairs. Use common sense, at her age, she would be definitely seiously hurt if she fell off the stairs. In this case, in no way the news would not go to the headline, and in no way the Charles's would not use this story to bash Diana.
I dont know how hard Diana had pushed her step mother. It could be ahard push or a light push. From the consequence, it was very likely a light push because no news ever talked about Raine Spencer had any injure.
I am saying her behavior was right. I just think it was not appropriate to use this example to convince a person that Diana'd ever lightly pushed a person, or slapped a person, so she was capable to kill a person.
I think the Charles' camp havent used this story to bash Diana is not because they have any decency, it is because Raine Spencer is still alive, in this case they are unable to write the story as much as they like. Mark my words, once Raine Spencer died, the dead meat eater would come out. From the "Diana warned to kill Camilla" story, one can see how shameless they are.
I think real love made the difference but its just sad that a family was broken up because of the actions of the couple and other parties involved.
Diana's glee about she and her brother shoving all of Raines clothes and belongings into rubbish bin liners and chucking them out the door after the death of her father was yet another self-proclaimed act of spite. Yet it was all tears and hugs at the funeral. Go figure.
I find myself thinking that Charles must be some guy to have these women fighting over him. Even Kanga was in the fight (or at least she thought she was) but lost in the end.
Originally Posted by scooter
Changing tune, are you? If Camilla was in fact, as confirmed by Stuart Higgins, briefing on Charles' behalf, now 'it doent make a difference'? If you are going to throw stink bombs at the first wife for talking to the press , while saying the then mistress, now second wife would NEVER do that, at least acknowledge that St Camilla aint so saintly. Sometimes I wonder if some of Camilla's fans here are not old enough to actually remember what transpired, as opposed to reading Penny Junor's poison rehashed over and over again.
I know you won't agree but the difference is the type of information Diana leaked versus the type of information Camilla allegedly leaked. Camilla would have known that Diana was suffering from an eating disorder--but that story wasn't broken by Stuart Higgins, it was revealed by James Witaker.