Diana/Charles/Camilla's Relationships Part 2

[Skydragon]

Did anyone see the Panorama interview when it was shown recently? I don't remember the exact quote about the photographer. It was one of the more interesting things she said in the interview.

Yes I watched it and the programme before that told how she had taken 5 hours to achieve the 'tragedy effect' she wanted to portray. How they were not allowed to ask certain questions about her lovers or the Queen mum and if they did, she stonewalled them. How much lying and deceit went into the recording of the interview.
Watching it again, The acting wasn't as good as people remember. IMO

 

[ysbel]

I have had that interview on tape since it first aired. The photographer said along the lines of: "Hey Di look up, if you do I can send my kids to a better school and you can laugh it off."

Thanks tiaraprin. I knew there had to be a school involved but I didn't remember the details. If I were Diana, I'd tell him to get a real job!

 

[una]

Upon meeting Prince Charles for the first time she has been widely quoted as propositioning him on the premise of their great grandparents' indiscretions.

According the Gyles Brandreth, who seems to have information from somewhere close to the horses mouth, they were introduced by a previous girlfriend of Charles-- Lucia Something? from Cambridge days, who had found "just the girl" for Charles. Matchmaking seems to have been a habit amongst this set.

 

[Elspeth]

What a very astute post Warren. I have to admit I had never thought about the press deflecting the blame.

Charles Krauthammer had a very interesting op-ed piece on that at the time. He said it was remarkable how the national mood changed from "those murdering paparazzi and the piranhas in the press!" to "that heartless royal family who never cared about Diana, ignoring the feelings of the people and their intrepid champions in the press, who are calling the royal family to account on their behalf!" In a fairly short time the press had recast themselves from the villains of the piece to the noble supporters of the people.

I think another reason why that was so easy to do is that the paparazzi wouldn't have been chasing the car if their photos hadn't been in so much demand and so lucrative to them. The very people who were blaming the paparazzi must have been aware on some level that the whole thing wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been so desperate for steamy photos of Diana and her boyfriend of the moment, so in a way they were complicit in the tragedy. Once the blame had been deflected away from the press and onto the Queen and Prince Charles, those people were no longer at all involved in the situation and could recast themselves as outraged innocent bystanders. It was all very convenient.

 

[Skydragon]

Matchmaking seems to have been a habit amongst this set.

We all did it didn't we?

 

[BeatrixFan]

We all did it didn't we?

We all do it now. My current boyfriend was introduced to me by friends.

 

[Skydragon]

The very people who were blaming the paparazzi must have been aware on some level that the whole thing wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been so desperate for steamy photos of Diana and her boyfriend of the moment, so in a way they were complicit in the tragedy. Once the blame had been deflected away from the press and onto the Queen and Prince Charles, those people were no longer at all involved in the situation and could recast themselves as outraged innocent bystanders. It was all very convenient.

Do you think they accept it now, or is it easier to blame the royal family still?

 

[Elspeth]

Well, I think it's far enough in the past that for the most part there aren't really the same emotions involved. But it's human nature not to take the blame if it can be conveniently deflected!

I remember seeing some of the coverage at the time of her death, and there was this woman saying "I don't know what I'm going to do; I couldn't get enough of her and now she's dead, and the Queen doesn't care and it's all Charles's fault etc etc" and it just struck me as ironic that she didn't seem to stop for a millisecond to think that the "I couldn't get enough of her" was the very reason that all those photographers were hounding Diana.

 

[Harry's polo shirt]

Well, I think it's far enough in the past that for the most part there aren't really the same emotions involved. But it's human nature not to take the blame if it can be conveniently deflected!

I remember seeing some of the coverage at the time of her death, and there was this woman saying "I don't know what I'm going to do; I couldn't get enough of her and now she's dead, and the Queen doesn't care and it's all Charles's fault etc etc" and it just struck me as ironic that she didn't seem to stop for a millisecond to think that the "I couldn't get enough of her" was the very reason that all those photographers were hounding Diana.

that was a pretty powerful statment that women made. She probably didn't even realize it.

 

[BeatrixFan]

She probably didn't even realize it

Of Course she didn't. She was hysterical. Another piece of footage shows a woman screaming, "Everybody loved Diana! We can't go on!" - someone should have slapped her face.

 

[Skydragon]

that was a pretty powerful statment that women made. She probably didn't even realize it.

I don't think it was powerful, just totally misguided. If this woman hadn't clamoured for the photos and news coverage of Diana, Diana would not have been killed trying to get away from the people who tried to supply the needs of this woman.

 

[Skydragon]

someone should have slapped her face.

BeatrixFan, you have such a wicked sense of humour, I agree a good slap to bring her into the real world.

 

[BeatrixFan]

Re:

I remember one Christmas when my Aunty Peggy drank too much. Every year my Grandmother gets on the piano and we have a good sing song. And my Aunty Peggy, pickled to the eyeballs in brandy, got hysterical singing, "Down on Swanee River". And my grandmother jumped up and started bellowing, "Slap her face! Slap her face!". My mother yelled back, "You can't do that!" and my Grandmother pushed everyone out of the way, gave my Aunty Peggy a firm smack and then went back and started playing again. The only way to deal with someone who is hysterical is to slap them.

 

[Skydragon]

I remember one Christmas when my Aunty Peggy drank too much. Every year my Grandmother gets on the piano and we have a good sing song. And my Aunty Peggy, pickled to the eyeballs in brandy, got hysterical singing, "Down on Swanee River". And my grandmother jumped up and started bellowing, "Slap her face! Slap her face!". My mother yelled back, "You can't do that!" and my Grandmother pushed everyone out of the way, gave my Aunty Peggy a firm smack and then went back and started playing again. The only way to deal with someone who is hysterical is to slap them.

What you might call a right character, we could have done with her back in '97.

 

[una]

... we know far less about C&C's affair than we know of Diana's doings. IMHO its because C&C didn't really say anything past one comment in the BBC interview and their friends for the most part followed their lead. Diana's friends followed her lead and released everything.

Charles and friends said quite a lot about the marriage in the Dimbleby book, but in a more sympathetic style. Also let's not forget that Charles' friends didn't need the money like Diana's friends.

... she definitely minded James Hewitt's first book release.

I don't think she minded about Hewitt telling his story, but didn't like the style of the book which was fantasizing, sensational and not very flattering. According to Hewitt she asked him to speak to the press at one point.

she would definitely be hurt if William distanced himself in any way from her to escape the scrutiny. But with her fame and the notoriety about her private life, my belief is that it would have been inevitable

But even if she hadn't said anything about her past private life, her present private life would have come out in the press with much the same embarrassing result for William.

 

[Skydragon]

Charles and friends said quite a lot about the marriage in the Dimbleby book, but in a more sympathetic style. Also let's not forget that Charles' friends didn't need the money like Diana's friends.

Diana's friends didn't need the money either, most of them IMO spoke to the press and authors at her request. Very little was said in the Dimbleby book.

I don't think she minded about Hewitt telling his story, but didn't like the style of the book which was fantasizing, sensational and not very flattering. According to Hewitt she asked him to speak to the press at one point.

Watching the interview, she really minded about him writing about their affair.

 

[tiaraprin]

What? What on earth are you talking about? Can't you seperate emotion and give a statement on the issue? With all due respect, you're not a self-appointed representative for Diana and I find it ridiculous that you feel by saying you are, you'll somehow have some crusade to wage on those who don't care for Diana.

Sam, if you had read a few posts before mine, you might understand why I gave myself that title or designation if you will.

With all due respect also, emotion is not separated from your statements on Camilla IMHO. The rapture is quite evident.

 

[Lady Marmalade]

What you might call a right character, we could have done with her back in '97.

Then I guess you have had to slap millions of your own countrymen in the face because if memory serves, the world watched in awe as Britain showed public emotion in the rawest of terms deep felt pain not seen....

Hell, Sir George Solti and Mother Teresa died at around the same time and did not command the death coverage Diana did....

 

[Lady Marmalade]

Wasn't it Prince Philip who allegedly wondered aloud in front of the Queen and servants present when they were watching Charles's interview on TV in which he tells about his own cheating and how his parents ignored him that he was the missing link?

Several prominent books and articles mention this quote as well...

So it goes to show that daddy was not happy what son was doing...of course, it is the pot calling the kettle black...

 

[BeatrixFan]

With all due respect also, emotion is not separated from your statements on Camilla IMHO. The rapture is quite evident.

I believe it is. It isn't rapture - it's admiration. There's a slight difference. But I'm not a self-designated defender.

 

[Skydragon]

Hell, Sir George Solti and Mother Teresa died at around the same time and did not command the death coverage Diana did....

No easy access to Mother Teresa but at least she was grieved for by people who actually knew her. If the media had thought they could stir people up to a hysterical mob to make money, they would have done.

 

[BeatrixFan]

No easy access to Mother Teresa but at least she was grieved for by people

who actually knew her. If the media had thought they could stir people up to a hysterical mob to make money, they would have done

Exactly. Mother Theresa was sacred and they didn't dare cheapen her memory by printing her face on teatowels, plates, spoons, mugs, t-shirts and other tacky ephemera that earned newsagents a fortune at the time of Diana's funeral.

 

[Skydragon]

Wasn't it Prince Philip who allegedly wondered aloud in front of the Queen and servants present when they were watching Charles's interview on TV in which he tells about his own cheating and how his parents ignored him that he was the missing link?

Several prominent books and articles mention this quote as well...

Allegedly being the operative word. I really can't see anyone, let alone a servant repeating something like that. Sounds more like something a missing link made up.

 

[BeatrixFan]

Wasn't it Prince Philip who allegedly wondered aloud in front of the Queen and servants present when they were watching Charles's interview on TV in which he tells about his own cheating and how his parents ignored him that he was the missing link?

I wonder. The Royal Family never speak private matters in front of the staff. The Kents use Russian, Charles uses French, Anne banishes them from the room and Philip and the Queen use German.

 

[Lady Marmalade]

No easy access to Mother Teresa but at least she was grieved for by people who actually knew her. If the media had thought they could stir people up to a hysterical mob to make money, they would have done.

Hmm...I did not know her at all and I grieved her completely as a sign of my faith in her being a Catholic and for her selfless ways..

 

[Lady Marmalade]

Wasn't it Prince Philip who allegedly wondered aloud in front of the Queen and servants present when they were watching Charles's interview on TV in which he tells about his own cheating and how his parents ignored him that he was the missing link?

Several prominent books and articles mention this quote as well...

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Allegedly being the operative word. I really can't see anyone, let alone a servant repeating something like that. Sounds more like something a missing link made up.

Oh c'mon.....the servants, keep their mouths shut?!?!?

 

[Skydragon]

Oh c'mon.....the servants, keep their mouths shut?!?!?

If they want to continue working they do and as you can see, BeatrixFan has also answered your post.

 

[Skydragon]

Hmm...I did not know her at all and I grieved her completely as a sign of my faith in her being a Catholic and for her selfless ways..

You didn't know Diana either, so what is your point, that you grieve for women you don't know??

 

[tiaraprin]

I wonder. The Royal Family never speak private matters in front of the staff. The Kents use Russian, Charles uses French, Anne banishes them from the room and Philip and the Queen use German.

Nunca se sabe cuando haya persona que hable la otra lengua que use al frente de el/ella.

On ne sait pas quand il y aura des personnes qui parle l'autre langue qui parle devant lui.

Translation: One never knows when there may be a person that speaks the other language you are using in front of him/her.

 

[Lady Marmalade]

You didn't know Diana either, so what is your point, that you grieve for women you don't know??

Yes. I grieve for people who are well known in my lifetime, male and female, who I may have never met in person but felt connections with.

I cried when my Pope, my Holy Father, died earlier this year and I never met him.