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So it is not a sure thing whether Leonor will be able to assume the throne or not? I sure hope she does, whether Felipe and Letizia have a boy or not.
soCal girl said:So it is not a sure thing whether Leonor will be able to assume the throne or not? I sure hope she does, whether Felipe and Letizia have a boy or not.
bigheadshirmp said:it's is expected that the changed constitution would allow Leonor to become the Queen of Spain in the future even if she will have a male sibiling in the near future (even if the consitution is changed after a male sibling is born, the constitution would still affect the 3rd generation --> Leonor and her future siblings, not Felipe's generation) correct me if i'm wrong
Paty said:If, the Principes de Asturias had a boy before the constitution reforms, it will be the man the heir, since in the present constitution the man the one that has the preference. For that reason I believe that Felipe and Letizia hoped to that the constitution reforms before returning to be parents, so that Leonor can be Queen of Spain.
purple_platinum said:what I want to know is that if Leonor has a baby brother, then, how would he be placed in the order of succession? If i'm not mistaken, Spain still adopt the male-prefered gender law, then, will it be publicly aknowledge that the younger brother of leonor will succeed after prince felipe?
Ariel said:I dont think it is fair to wait until that happens, we can see that in Sweeden things were not that nice for Vicky's father when it happened. It is better that they do before it happens or consider next generation after Leonor and her siblings.
marezdote said:When Leonor was born I belive the Prime Minister had said something about wanting to change the law so that even if Leonor has a younger brother she would be queen. Does anyone know if the government is still planing on changing this law (or if it has already happened)?
Ariel said:They havent done anything yet. Ive heard that it is a complicated thing to do as they need to make changes on the constitution and that is not so easy to do. It will also depend on the acceptance of these changes by the politicians (they've all said to agree on this). I just have some doubts about it, number one...we dont know the real intentions of the royal house about this (there are some royal houses, like the japan one (imperial house in that case) who prefers a male heir. Second...how will they deal with it if the next child is a boy, will they repeat what happened in Sweeden with Victoria? hope not as it seems the king didnt like it that much and still talks about it.
LaChicaMadrilena said:I don't think Zapatero is hurring to change the constitution. His position isn't too good now, esp. after "estatuto catalan" and "dialogo con ETA"
Toledo said:Besides, Leonor is so cute she can start an army of supporters just with that smile of hers to defend her position as the next crown princess.
You make a good point, LaChicaMadrileña... Of course Aznar should have iniciate the reform, when his mandate was coming to an end; that would have been the most reasonable thing to do. However, as you know, this reform of the constitution is not only about the succession law, but it will also serve to change a series of other subjects and it's there where the problem starts. The succession law is actually the only point of this reform that gathers a wide consensus; all the other political questions are very controversial (e.g. the autonomic statute of Catalonia, etc.), so it takes time and political will to handle with it...LaChicaMadrilena said:So: why the previous prime minister, Jose Maria Aznar, didn't iniciate the reform? The commitment between F&L was known on November 1st, they got engaged 6 days later and it was obvious that after their wedding, sooner or later the "problem" of possible heir and his/her sex will appear.
Ariel said:Even when politicians agree that the reform about the sucession law is fair and that all of them agree about it. It is not their priority. I am not even sure it is the priority for the royal house. Having Leonor or another child (a boy in this case) to be the heir to the throne is not as important as to maintain the support of the country to the monarchy and everybody knows this is a very delicate moment in Spain and Felipe and Letizia should demonstrate to the people that maintaining the monarchy is a good thing for Spain, for that reason i think they are working so hard. I would prefer they change the constitution before a boy is born to their family as i think it is not a good thing what happened in Sweeden, it can also be possible that deep inside the royal family they prefer a male to the throne like in Japan or like the king of sweeden. It does not mean they dont love the girls but i know many modern families where males are prefered, specially for certain jobs.
morhange said:I thought this article was interesting:
http://www.bruneitimes.com.bn/details.php?shape_ID=4603
Spain: Succession is via male primogeniture. The Government has talked of changing the law, but any change would only affect future generations. The current crown prince is Felipe, son of King Juan Carlos; second in line is the elder of the prince's two daughters, Infanta Leonor.
Must be confusing Felipe with his father.
I'm absolutely sure that sooner or later the constitution will be changed. I think that society in Spain, being conscious that other monarchies have their Queens, and Spain not, will be extremely angry. Now Spain is a very modern country and won't allowed to have such an old-fashioned thing in their constitution, as male preference under female.fandesacs2003 said:If Princess Letizia gives birth to a boy, do you think that they will not change the Constitution -Succession law, and Leonor will loose her rights, in favour of her brother?
In my opinion it will be difficult to decide, after the birth of the boy (if any), they should change, NOW.
infanteleonor said:Fernandez Field: reform Constitution when Prince is King The ex- head of the House of Sabino His Majesty the King Fernandez Field was today in favor of which the constitutional reform that would allow to accede to a woman to Corona carries out when the present Prince of Asturias is King. Fernandez Field, that is in Tenerife to distribute a conference on the Monarchy and the Constitution, including in the cycle organized by the Parliament of the Canary Islands on the centenary from the visit to the Canary Islands de Alfonso XII, considered that the reform of the Constitution demands severe requirements. He explained that it will be necessary to dissolve Cortes and the call of a referendum, and for that reason is difficult that a government who is in the power finds the moment for doing it. In his opinion, it is necessary to approach this reform wisely and calm and affirmed that in case Princess Letizia gave light another girl the things would not be complicarían, since there would be terms to carry out the reform of the Constitution that will allow Infant Leonor to accede in the future to Corona. In case that the boy who waits for the Princess outside man, the things, according to Fernandez Field, would be more complicated, since this it would be born with rights in agreement with the present Constitution. It remembered that the Council of State has discarded that are retroactive effects in the constitutional modification but, in his opinion, although there are no legal effects and legal retroactive yes he could have them moral. If it is understood that the woman must have such right, somebody could think why Infant Elena does not have that right, if the Prince has still not gotten to reign, said to Fernandez Field. ' They are subjects that there are to approach with much calm and much prudenciá, it concluded
http://actualidad.terra.es/familia-real/articulo/fernandez_campo_constitucion_principe_rey_1198790.htm