British Royal Jewels of the Past 2: 2022 -


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Only Prince Michael kept hisr Mother's jewels . I hope they are not fake because he has also short in money before he worked for the Russians .
 
An Ard Ri said:
It must be over 20 years if not more.
What will happen to the Kent jewels in the future!
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I suspect the jewels owned by the Duke & Duchess of Kent will largely be sold.
 
There isn´t all that much left isn´t there? The remaining tiaras are unimportant and not of a great value, except of what remains of the sapphires. Her girandoline earrings have been sold to a jeweller and are now worn by Kim Kardashian and her bow brooch is now owned by the Dubai royal family. The 'new' aquamarine tiara was sold. What was left of the sapphire parure was seen on another lady (the necklace and earrings at least) at the Moira Fine Art Jewellery. So it seems to be sold completely.

What remains is the Kent diamond and festoon tiara - which can never be worth a fortune as the size of the stones are not very impressive. And there will be some brooches and earrings perhaps. But not much more I think.

It is a great pity the sapphire tiara was not bought back by the late Queen. And a pity that such a beautiful piece -fit for a Queen- ever left the main line in the first place.
 
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Marengo said:
There isn´t all that much left isn´t there? The remaining tiaras are unimportant and not of a great value, except of what remains of the sapphires. Her girandoline earrings have been sold to a jeweller and are now worn by Kim Kardashian and her bow brooch is now owned by the Dubai royal family. The 'new' aquamarine tiara was sold. What was left of the sapphire parure was seen on another lady (the necklace and earrings at least) at the Moira Fine Art Jewellery. So it seems to be sold completely.

What remains is the Kent diamond and festoon tiara - which can never be worth a fortune as the size of the stones are not very impressive. And there will be some brooches and earrings perhaps. But not much more I think.

It is a great pity the sapphire tiara was not bought back by the late Queen. And a pity that such a beautiful piece -fit for a Queen- ever left the main line in the first place.
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The Kent/Romanov bow brooch belongs to Sheikha Amna Al-Thani (Qatar) not the Al-Maktoum Emirs (Dubai). Prince Michael of Kent has some Romanov emeralds and pearls, and heirloom pearl necklace from the Teck collection. Unfortunately, they weren’t rich enough to buy jewels from Princess Olga of Yugoslavia’s collection as her descendants sold rivières belonging to Queen Olga of Greece and there were emerald earrings that Gloria of Thurn und Taxis bought from Olga’s collection, but were sold at auction. The girandoles are owned by jeweller, Kim was probably just loaned the earrings as she only wore them once.
 
Prince Michael still owns his Mother's Fringe tiara . His daughter wore it for her Wedding day.
 
maria-olivia said:
Prince Michael still owns his Mother's Fringe tiara . His daughter wore it for her Wedding day.
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Prince Michael has managed to retain most if not all of the jewellery he inherited.
 
Probably why the tiaras etc all go out on loan now, rather than gifted in the real sense of the word.
 
Hallo girl said:
Probably why the tiaras etc all go out on loan now, rather than gifted in the real sense of the word.
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Lending makes complete sense to me. Provide the cadet branches with financial security (through investments and real estate), which can be passed down through the generations. For working members of the firm, lend them jewellery so that they are suitably bejewelled for the state events they represent the nation.
 
That seems more sensible indeed. The British collection is so gigantic that there is enough to share between a decreasing number of active royals and at less and less tiara-events. The junior branches will have no need of these jewels, other than at weddings. Neither do they need dead assets that will not provide an income but that will be a financial burden in terms of insurance, secure storage and [inheritance] tax.

Aditionally, the time that the royal vaults would automatically be stocked up with lush gifts from a generous population is long gone. And the people marrying into the RF will not inherit/ be gifted any tiaras from their own families either. So dividing them up will mean that the vault will slowly empty out. The result we see in Denmark: exceptional jewels leave the main line and to make up for that loss unassuming pieces need to be bought. The late Queen was wise to keep the collection together.
 
muriel said:
Prince Michael has managed to retain most if not all of the jewellery he inherited.
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Marie Christine has really spoiled over the past few decades with that portion of the Kent family jewels!
 
Marengo said:
That seems more sensible indeed. The British collection is so gigantic that there is enough to share between a decreasing number of active royals and at less and less tiara-events. The junior branches will have no need of these jewels, other than at weddings. Neither do they need dead assets that will not provide an income but that will be a financial burden in terms of insurance, secure storage and [inheritance] tax.

Aditionally, the time that the royal vaults would automatically be stocked up with lush gifts from a generous population is long gone. And the people marrying into the RF will not inherit/ be gifted any tiaras from their own families either. So dividing them up will mean that the vault will slowly empty out. The result we see in Denmark: exceptional jewels leave the main line and to make up for that loss unassuming pieces need to be bought. The late Queen was wise to keep the collection together.
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I concur.

The example of Denmark that you sight is a good one. In the last 50 odd years, a lot of jewellery has left the main line (to Benedikte, Anne-Marie and the wives of Joachim), which really has not been replaced. Margarethe did not really buy much precious jewellery in her time as Queen. Henrik did buy some "artistic" pieces, but they weren't the most exciting additions to the collection. Most of Mary's acquisitions (other than the very modern jewellery) have been wise and good value, but really don't contain "Queen level" stones (the only exception is the pair of diamond earrings she wore for the first time at Ingrid's 18th birthday gala in Oslo a few years ago).
 
What will happen with the great Gloucester jewels collection ? Their Children are unknown, will never be invited to the Court and will never wear them.
 
maria-olivia said:
What will happen with the great Gloucester jewels collection ? Their Children are unknown, will never be invited to the Court and will never wear them.
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The next generation of Gloucester's and Kent won't require such jewels collections and also will have hefty inheritance taxes to pay off!
 
An Ard Ri said:
The next generation of Gloucester's and Kent won't require such jewels collections and also will have hefty inheritance taxes to pay off!
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Depending on the level of tax planning, the next generation of Gloucesters and Kents may or many not have inheritance tax to pay. But irrespective of that, they are unlikely to have much use for most of the jewellery. So my guess is that the jewellery will all end up getting sold, probably at a big international auction.
 
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This new YouTube podcast documentary was from yesterday and discusses the Jewels used or created specifically for the Prince of Wales title.

My notes and things I remembered from Charles crowning when I was a kid.

  • I recall as a child his coronation at Wales was on the news and it was the first time I saw a coronation of anybody. At the time we were under the Franco dictatorship and Spain doesn't do coronation ceremonies for the prince(ss) of Asturias or king/queen of Spain title.
  • I was not aware that the prince of Wales coronation of Edward VIII was partly politics of the times, partly to get reacquainted with the Welsh royal history.
  • I had no idea the Duke of Windsor and his wife, Wallis Simpson, took with them the jewels!?! Considering on what was exposed after his passing, on his association with Hitler trying to make him a puppet king after invading the UK, I think this was scandalous. But that explains why Charles had to use a different coronet at the ceremony since the Duke of Windsor had the jewels with him in Paris.
  • Anyone knows if these jewels were returned to Queen Elizabeth II after her traitor uncle (but she didn't know it then) right after he passed away?
  • Anyone knows if William will be crowned someday? or, at least use the Wales crown if he attends an official ceremony over there?
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As far as I know, the Prince of Wales has no intention of having an Investiture Ceremony. I recall that was made shared after KCIII ascended to the throne and proclaimed on Sept. 9, 2022 that William and was to be the Prince of Wales.
 
Toledo said:
This new YouTube podcast documentary was from yesterday and discusses the Jewels used or created specifically for the Prince of Wales title.

My notes and things I remembered from Charles crowning when I was a kid.

  • I recall as a child his coronation at Wales was on the news and it was the first time I saw a coronation of anybody. At the time we were under the Franco dictatorship and Spain doesn't do coronation ceremonies for the prince(ss) of Asturias or king/queen of Spain title.
  • I was not aware that the prince of Wales coronation of Edward VIII was partly politics of the times, partly to get reacquainted with the Welsh royal history.
  • I had no idea the Duke of Windsor and his wife, Wallis Simpson, took with them the jewels!?! Considering on what was exposed after his passing, on his association with Hitler trying to make him a puppet king after invading the UK, I think this was scandalous. But that explains why Charles had to use a different coronet at the ceremony since the Duke of Windsor had the jewels with him in Paris.
  • Anyone knows if these jewels were returned to Queen Elizabeth II after her traitor uncle (but she didn't know it then) right after he passed away?
  • Anyone knows if William will be crowned someday? or, at least use the Wales crown if he attends an official ceremony over there?
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🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿The Prince of Wales Regalia :walesflag2:
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The coronet that Edward VIII/Duke of Windsor took with him abroad was returned to UK after his death in 1972.

William has no intention to have an investiture as Prince of Wales the way Charles had. That was made known after his fathers accession..

Charles never wore his coronet except at the investiture… When he took his seat in the House of Lords in 1970 (wich royals don’t do anymore) the coronet was carried in front of him…. So no i don’t think William will ever wear any of the coronets.
 
TLLK said:
As far as I know, the Prince of Wales has no intention of having an Investiture Ceremony. I recall that was made shared after KCIII ascended to the throne and proclaimed on Sept. 9, 2022 that William and was to be the Prince of Wales.
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I find it a shame that William appears to have ruled out any form of investiture. I would think it unlikely that it will be resurrected in the future.
 
Elly C said:
I find it a shame that William appears to have ruled out any form of investiture. I would think it unlikely that it will be resurrected in the future.
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At a time of austerity it would not be a good look. I think William would cut back on a great deal of the ceremonial if he could get away with it.
 
Elly C said:
I find it a shame that William appears to have ruled out any form of investiture. I would think it unlikely that it will be resurrected in the future.
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I can see the rationale for not having an investiture for William. In recent years, we have had the Platy Joobs, the funeral and the Coronation. The economic environment is not great across the UK, and especially in Wales. There is no upside in having an investiture, IMO.
 
I appreciate that an investiture on the scale of Charles’ investiture would not go down well and would be insensitive to the economic situation, but I see no problem in having a pared down, relatively simple ceremony - possibly in the form of a short Church service, without a huge congregation. There are regular ceremonies for various British orders, so I’m surprised a one off ceremony of this important position has been completely discarded.
 
There were protests from nationalists in Wales, I remember, the last time there was a ceremony investing a Prince of Wales, at Carnarvon. That was in 1969 when Charles was 20.

The time before that was in 1911 when the Welsh politician Lloyd George thought that it would be a good idea. He was Chancellor of the Exchequer and wanted to divert the public unrest and several controversies at the time. The King was enthusiastic, but the 16 year old recipient, the future Duke of Windsor was not. He did not remember his investiture fondly in his memoirs.

Other than that, most other Ps of Wales in centuries past received their titles as babies and young children without a ceremony. The two in modern times who did have a ceremony were very young and easily persuadable.

William by contrast is over forty and well aware that the leading nationalist organisation in Wales wants the title of Prince of Wales to be put totally in abeyance in the future. Why poke the bear ( Plaid Cymru) in order to hold any unnecessary ceremony at a time of economic downturn?

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Curryong said:
There were protests from nationalists in Wales, I remember, the last time there was a ceremony investing a Prince of Wales, at Carnarvon. That was in 1969 when Charles was 20.

The time before that was in 1911 when the Welsh politician Lloyd George thought that it would be a good idea. He was Chancellor of the Exchequer and wanted to divert the public unrest and several controversies at the time. The King was enthusiastic, but the 16 year old recipient, the future Duke of Windsor was not. He did not remember his investiture fondly in his memoirs.

Other than that, most other Ps of Wales in centuries past received their titles as babies and young children without a ceremony. The two in modern times who did have a ceremony were very young and easily persuadable.

William by contrast is over forty and well aware that the leading nationalist organisation in Wales wants the title of Prince of Wales to be put totally in abeyance in the future. Why poke the bear ( Plaid Cymru) in order to hold any unnecessary ceremony at a time of economic downturn?

en.m.wikipedia.org

Investiture of Edward, Prince of Wales - Wikipedia

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Well said. This is not the time for an investiture.
 
Hans-Rickard said:
The coronet that Edward VIII/Duke of Windsor took with him abroad was returned to UK after his death in 1972.

William has no intention to have an investiture as Prince of Wales the way Charles had. That was made known after his fathers accession..

Charles never wore his coronet except at the investiture… When he took his seat in the House of Lords in 1970 (wich royals don’t do anymore) the coronet was carried in front of him…. So no i don’t think William will ever wear any of the coronets.
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I think William would have worn his coronet for the Coronation if it had been a coronation where Coronets and Robes had been worn.
 
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