Distribution of the Jewels of Queen Elizabeth II


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Princess B said:
I’d like a system like the Swedes have, a foundation for jewels, everyone gets to wear a variety
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There aren’t many working royals so there’s no need for a foundation. The Gloucesters have their collection, the Kent’s have their own and Anne has jewels gifted to her from her parents. If Sophie wants to wear something she can ask.
 
SirGyamfi1 said:
New pieces of jewellery will not be made. I highly doubt that will be something he will do.
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I agree. There's plenty of pieces, I'm sure, in the vaults that can be used today. If I'm correct, wasn't Camilla's engagement ring a ring that once belonged to the Queen Mother? And QCamilla seems to have access to an enormous amount of historic jewellery, I'm thinking brooches here mainly, so why get something new? THough I also think some of her more 'fun' animal and insect brooches are new.
 
Toledo said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I recall reading here in RFs that the UK tradition is once you are assigned a tiara no one uses it. I believe it was around the time of Meghan requesting a specific tiara to use that was already assigned to Catherine. Anyone remembers the rules and tiara assignments from that time?
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I'd say yes and no - I think its been the case that unlike, say Sweden, there isn't alot of sharing in the short term. e.g. she don't see Catherine turning up in a tiara and then at the next tiara event Camilla wearing it/Anne wearing it/Sophie wearing it.

But long term there does seem to be more cross over - Anne wore the Cartier scroll tiara decades before Catherine wore it as her wedding tiara for example.

If Sophie is wearing the lotus it suggests either:
a) the family are now happy to share tiaras between appearances and we'll see more tiara sharing
b) Catherine no longer needs / has use of it which would only be true IMO if she has been given access to more or other tiaras making it surplus to requirements
 
tommy100 said:
I wonder if Sophie's use of the Lotus tiara doesn't also mean that Catherine no longer has need of it, and has new to her tiaras to wear since the accession / coronation.

I do think Charles is probably more generous with jewellery in some ways - we know he likes it and I suspect he is of the opinion that there is no harm in sharing out use of well known pieces that would otherwise be sat in the vault. As they are well known there is no drama from them being seen again and again.
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I hope it means a more generous use of the family heirlooms is in place (as Catherine has now also used the Strathmore Rose Tiara) - but i wait until i see Sophie wear the lotus again or something else that is new to her, before i hope for too much
 
SirGyamfi1 said:
New pieces of jewellery will not be made. I highly doubt that will be something he will do.
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Perhaps not, but I wouldn't rule out the purchase of significant items.
It's been reported that Charles has an agent at the auction houses, whenever such items come up for sale.
He quietly gifted Camilla with such things in the years they've been together. And he has given jewellery to other members of the RF.
 
Mirabel said:
Perhaps not, but I wouldn't rule out the purchase of significant items.
It's been reported that Charles has an agent at the auction houses, whenever such items come up for sale.
He quietly gifted Camilla with such things in the years they've been together. And he has given jewellery to other members of the RF.
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Yes, he purchased items for Camilla but that was a long time ago for her personal use. He might purchase brooches, or earrings but I’m not sure about any grand tiaras.
 
SirGyamfi1 said:
Yes, he purchased items for Camilla but that was a long time ago for her personal use. He might purchase brooches, or earrings but I’m not sure about any grand tiaras.
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I agree, the purchases were made when C&C did not have the unfettered access to the royal vault that they now do. I would be surprised if many new purchases were made now.

That said, there may be new pieces assembled for the Queen using stones from the royal vaults to fill specific needs identified by the Queen. These could include items like the diamond fringe earrings worn by the Queen in Berlin for the state banquet, to accompany the City of London Fringe necklace.
 
I'd say a lot of the purchases Charles made for Camilla were when they weren't married thus didn't have access to the family jewels. In effect he had to buy her a whole jewellery box of jewels for her to be suitably decked out as the partner of the Prince of Wales but not his wife who had access to the RF jewels. It seems he has purchased less and less over the years as Camilla has had access to more and more "official" jewels.

That said, Charles seems to appreciate jewellery and will always keep an eye out for anything particularly suitable for Camilla or to be reunited with the RF. And he may end up buying her new earrings as we know she doesn't have pierced ears so if the existing earrings can't be changed to clips then he may buy or commission new ones to go with some exisiting sets.
 
I think it would be wonderful for us to see other tiaras and jewelry. I'm sure it would be wonderful for Catherine and Sophie to wear different jewelry. Of course, QC would make her picks before the other ladies. I don't know about the younger ladies. I do like the way the Swedes handle their jewelry. It would be such a shame to have all that fabulous jewelry in a vault where no one could enjoy it.
 
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tommy100 said:
If Sophie is wearing the lotus it suggests either:
a) the family are now happy to share tiaras between appearances and we'll see more tiara sharing
b) Catherine no longer needs / has use of it which would only be true IMO if she has been given access to more or other tiaras making it surplus to requirements
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I am hoping it is the latter.

I would like to think that Camilla and Catherine spend some time in the vault, and decided on a "new" line-up of tiaras for Catherine. I am hoping that includes the Queen Mary Fringe and the Strathmore as her all-diamond offerings, and the Queen Mary Lovers Knot as her pearl and diamond option.

This would have freed up the Lotus Flower, which can serve as the main neutral coloured tiara for Sophie for the medium term.

However, for this theory to hold, would need to Sophie reuse the Lotus Flower, and for Catherine to wear the Queen Mary Fringe (or any other) tiara.
 
Just a thought. Given that Camilla wore the 3 string Festoon necklace for the Japanese state banquet after Catherine wore it for the coronation (picures), does that mean that these ladies could share jewellery amongst each other from time to time?

Does that also mean that we may see Camilla in the Queen Alexandra wedding peal and diamond necklace last worn by Catherine in 2018 for the Dutch state banquet? It could pair well with the GD Vladimir tiara with the pearl setting.
 
Queen Elizabeth II seemed to give jewels out long term, effectively handing them over to the royal lady to use exclusively. I think in the new reign it might be much more on a case by case basis - the jewels are there and decided upon together for each event. Obviously some more minor jewels will be kept longer term but bigger pieces aren't.
 
tommy100 said:
Queen Elizabeth II seemed to give jewels out long term, effectively handing them over to the royal lady to use exclusively. I think in the new reign it might be much more on a case by case basis - the jewels are there and decided upon together for each event. Obviously some more minor jewels will be kept longer term but bigger pieces aren't.
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You may be right. Personally, I am quite content for Camilla and Catherine to have a stash each, and not intermingle their jewellery.
 
I think for those two it may well be the case - certainly I imagine they each have many pieces in their own "stash" that htye can use without having to ask, sign out etc.
My comment was made in light of Sophie using the Lotus flower tiara for the first time. I suspect that jewels like that are kept under lock and key at BP unless they are needed and I think when it comes to tiara wearing there may certainly be a new found "loan a piece for a big event" attitude rather than you get a lifetime loan and that it yours. In other words - it wouldn't surprise me if we do still see Catherine or another royal lady using the Lotus flower tiara again.
 
tommy100 said:
I suspect that jewels like that are kept under lock and key at BP unless they are needed and I think when it comes to tiara wearing there may certainly be a new found "loan a piece for a big event" attitude rather than you get a lifetime loan and that it yours. In other words - it wouldn't surprise me if we do still see Catherine or another royal lady using the Lotus flower tiara again.
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You may well be right. only time will tell.
 
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