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Thank you very much for your research! It helps a lot and the link is interesting for me. With that information I'm not surprised that Karl Matuschka's children didn't attend the wedding, the realtionship is really very distant.
Thanks for that. There are even 2 more brothers of Count Caspar. Count Ludwig and Konrad as posted on the Nobiliana forum.
As far as i know it similar to like in Germany but that there is only for example Waldburg-Zeil-Hohenems in the surname as the use of Graf/Gräfin and von is forbidden. And of course as it are only names now it is quiet easy. The daughter simply does not take her huisbands name and the children get their mothers name.
Yes...precisely that. The King's first cousin the Duke of Parma.
Yes, but Carlos Hugo is Head of the Parma house and his titles are recognised in the Netherlands.
Yes, but in the Hohenems case, the issue isn’t property because Count Franz bought out his siblings, but him wanting to have his branch of the family as a separate one with his daughter succeeding him. I wouldn’t simply say it’s natural, but just self-serving especially when some of them may have older sisters but now that they have daughters instead of sons, the bending of the old rules comes into play.
Not his Carlist claim as the King of Spain!
Obviously that’s why I didn’t mention it. Also, he isn’t actively or secretly trying to promote himself as the next King of Spain.
Well titles back then were legally recognised and given by the Emperor or King so nobody back then had the right to claim to be something they weren’t. There’s no monarch to amend titles or whatever. It’s already been explained that the dispute isn’t about property because the father owns the palace.
And the Titles where usually to be for the male line not for descendants of daughters. The Issue is now the part of the surname and can therefore also used by descendants of daughters who didn't take their husbands name.
I would very much like to be able to access the Nobiliana forums, but they appear to be completely closed off these days - I am not able to even view them as a guest.
Yes Hohenems is in Austria. Just not far behind Bregenz at the Lake Constance
This branch of the family has property in Austria. However unlike in Empress Maria Theresia’s time when the male Habsburgs died out as there were no more male heirs, the heiress married a noble of old lineage. But in this case of the Waldburg-Hohenems, the eldest daughter didn’t marry a noble and this branch isn’t going to die out because there are male heirs to perpetuate the Hohenems line, the issue is that since Count Franz bought out his siblings from the family property and he only has daughters, he is trying to perpetuate a branch separate from the Waldburg-Zeil family, (the hohenems branch is actually a side-line branch of the Zeil branch). It’s fine that his daughter is inheriting the property, but trying to create a new branch of “Waldburgs” is pointless.
You can read Marlene Koenig’s blog which discusses this Countess Leonie von Waldburg-Zeil marries Count Caspar von Matuschka. It has been stated three times on this forum that he bought out his siblings share of the family property so no one cares who he leaves the property to. The issue is him trying to declare his branch of the Waldburg-Zeil family as a separate one when it’s actually a side branch. It’s not a common custom in the German nobility/Austrian. Also, if you say “it’s nothing outstanding and titles don’t exist in real life” then what’s the point of him trying to perpetuate a new branch of the Waldburg house. No one is talking about titles and in any case because it’s not recognised in Austria or even used as a last name. Franz Clemens is not the last male of his branch, he has male siblings who will continue hohenems line, but the property will belong to his daughter.
Txs, but I asked for the source of Clemens trying this.
I posted a link to the blog where Marlene stated Clemens was trying all that I addressed in my post. I think you didn’t understand what I said. For one thing, “Count Franz Clemens is reportedly at odds with other Waldburg zu Zeil family members as he wants to be included as a separate line in Gothaisches Genealogisches Handbuch. He wants the title of Count Waldburg zu Zeil-Lustenau-Hohenems to be recognized by the editors of Gothaisches Genealogisches Handbuch, as he wants to pass his title to his eldest daughter, Countess Tatjana, who is married to Philipp Eisl. His request was denied. He has been pushing his claim since 2011, according to a source.” This is a direct quote from Marlene’s blog. Also from the blog is “There is no historical basis for Franz Clemens' claims. He no longer considers his family as a branch of the Waldburg-Zeil princely family but as a separate former ruling house.” Additionally, “He describes himself as a "Princely Count" which is incorrect. The count's fabrication of his family history appears on the Palast Hohenems website.” Finally, “Further research shows how Franz Clemens has tried on numerous times to change his Wikipedia entry. He uses the name Clemens Waldburg when he has attempted to change his profile since 2011.”
Thanks, I did ask for a source , just another blog isn't. But never mind.
Marlene is a well respected and well informed personality not only on her blog, but on the forums as well. A blog is a source and Marlene has links to the things Franz Clemens had been doing like him trying to appeal to the Gotha genealogy handbook and his false claim as a Princely count on the Palast Hohenems website.
