German Royal and Noble Titles & Protocols

[Tatiana Maria]

Tbh, it is up to the family on who inherits what, the German government as far as I am concerned do not care about who is head of the house or which member inherits what. Yes the inheritance law about children inheriting equally or being entitled to some percentage of inheritance is done.

Exactly, so as previously said: Under German civil laws, legitimate and illegitimate children and male and female lines are equal. Private families may choose to discriminate, but that is also true for the French civil laws in the case we were discussing (private families may choose to discriminate between Catholic and non-Catholic marriages even though French civil law does not), so the comparison is valid.

No, surnames cannot be taken by "anyone" under German law; one would have to be related.

Then explain the “adoptions” of people like Frederich von Anhalt (Hans Robert Litchenberg)? The Anhalt Princess who adopted him didn’t adopt him to be a mother to him. She adopted him for money because she was broke. They weren’t related by blood or marriage either. He’s also gone on to adopt 35 people unrelated to him.

If you are referring to legal adoptions (in which case there is no need for quotation marks), then the adopter and adoptee become legally related by the adoption.

If you are referring to non-legal "adoptions" in which two people do not become legally related, then they cannot legally take each other's names.

 

[SirGyamfi1]

Exactly, so as previously said: Under German civil laws, legitimate and illegitimate children and male and female lines are equal. Private families may choose to discriminate, but that is also true for the French civil laws in the case we were discussing (private families may choose to discriminate between Catholic and non-Catholic marriages even though French civil law does not), so the comparison is valid.






If you are referring to legal adoptions (in which case there is no need for quotation marks), then the adopter and adoptee become legally related by the adoption.

If you are referring to non-legal "adoptions" in which two people do not become legally related, then they cannot legally take each other's names.

Well she adopted him for money not to claim him as her child and he in turn long after she passed adopted 35 people with “Prinz Von Anhalt”.

“However, British press reports indicate that Marie Auguste was almost bankrupt and the adoption was a business transaction, allegedly masterminded by Hans Hermann Weyer, a former window dresser who became the honorary consul of Bolivia in Luxembourg. Weyer was known for selling certificates of nobility, doctoral degrees from fictitious universities, and other spurious decorations in Germany in the 1960s. Lichtenberg was one of about 35 adults adopted by the ex-princess, some then styling themselves Princes of Anhalt.”

Also the House of Anhalt don’t claim him as he’s not related to them, therefore he’s not on the family website.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Your original post talked about German civil laws, not personal relationships (or lack thereof). That is what we were discussing.

You made the claim that "anyone" can take a noble surname under German civil law. That is not true, as German civil law (which equally applies to both noble and non-noble surnames) does not allow anyone to take whatever surname they please. Recognition of parentage, marriage, and adoption (by one person, not the whole family) are all legal ways under German civil law of taking a name.

Naming laws can be found in the Civil Code.

https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_bgb/index.html

 

[SirGyamfi1]

Your original post talked about German civil laws, not personal relationships (or lack thereof). That is what we were discussing.

You made the claim that "anyone" can take a noble surname under German civil law. That is not true, as German civil law (which equally applies to both noble and non-noble surnames) does not allow anyone to take whatever surname they please. Recognition of parentage, marriage, and adoption (by one person, not the whole family) are all legal ways under German civil law of taking a name.

Naming laws can be found in the Civil Code.

https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_bgb/index.html

However that point doesn’t necessarily stand when you have people like Hans Litchenberg adopting more and people till this day and I’m sure Mario-Max will be doing the same as well soon.