Prince Harry Current Events 10: January-March 2006

[Elspeth]

Welcome to part 7 of the thread to discuss news and current photos about Harry. The old thread is here:

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f34/prince-harry-news-pictures-part-6-a-7967.html

 

[gaggleofcrazypeople]

So anyway, back to the fact that you know that Harry will enjoy William saluting him.

 

[houri]

So anyway, back to the fact that you know that Harry will enjoy William saluting him.

I think a pic for prince William saluting prince Harry will worth a million

 

[polop]

I think a pic for prince William saluting prince Harry will worth a million

I think it's about time!

 

[corazon]

i can't wait for see that!

 

[Iluvbertie]

I wonder if we will ever really see this.

It won't happen until after Harry graduates in 14 weeks time - assuming that he does and I think he will.

Then they will have to be in a position where they are meeting, in uniform, publicly. Usually when we see them they are coming from one place and going to another place together. How often have we actually seen them meet each other? The Trooping the Colour comes to mind as an occassion on which they could both be together in uniform but they will not be greeting each other in public so a salute would be done in private not public.

I suspect that the best occassion would be on Harry's graduation day - after he actually gets his commission if William comes up then William would have to salute the newly commission officer. They may even do it for the press but I think it would be a private moment between them.

Once William graduates the chances decrease markedly of Harry ever having to salute William as William, being a uni graduate, will reach 1st Lt faster than Harry. Of course after the initial couple of promotions Harry may gain promotion on merit faster than William but I don't think William will be in the army long enough for that to be an issue and when he leaves the army he will get regular promotions in line with his position as 2nd in line to the throne.

 

[gaggleofcrazypeople]

I wonder if Harry would rub it in Wills' face. That would be fun.

 

[lamass]

i bet a little teasing is in order but maturity will be present

 

[Skydragon]

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The Trooping the Colour comes to mind as an occassion on which they could both be together in uniform but they will not be greeting each other in public so a salute would be done in private not public.

I suspect that the best occassion would be on Harry's graduation day - after he actually gets his commission if William comes up then William would have to salute the newly commission officer. Once William graduates the chances decrease markedly of Harry ever having to salute William as William, being a uni graduate, will reach 1st Lt faster than Harry. Of course after the initial couple of promotions Harry may gain promotion on merit faster than William but I don't think William will be in the army long enough for that to be an issue and when he leaves the army he will get regular promotions in line with his position as 2nd in line to the throne.

Cadet Officers do not attend the Trooping of the Colour, so we won't see it there.
Unless the degree is for a specialist subject ie. Doctor, Vet, a university education does not make a great deal of difference to your climb up the ladder. As I said in an earlier post, a degree can be gained in psychology, Madonna, The Beatles and all manner of subjects, none of which would help you in the Army.
Promotion is usually based on your performance as an officer, although an exception will probably be made for William. That would be unfair to the rest of the recruits and to Harry but, life is rarely fair!

 

[Incas]

I thought Harry attended the Trooping last year in his uniform.

 

[Skydragon]

I thought Harry attended the Trooping last year in his uniform.

No, William was there (obviously not in any uniform). The press were complaining that Harry should have been given time off to attend.
You can't wear a officers uniform until you have passed all the courses and have passed out (graduated) as an officer.

 

[corazon]

harry not was in the trooping colouor 2005 with uniform, he was in world war 60 anniversary in july with uniform

 

[Skydragon]

I believe that you are mistaken about Harry being in the 60th anniversary parade.
William was on the balcony, with his step mum, Tim Laurence and Princess Alexandra.
Although various Cadet Corps took part, they are not to be confused with Officer Cadets.
Where did you read that Harry took part?

Harry was on the balcony, he did not take part, he was in his officer cadets uniform, not an officers!.

 

[pollyemma]

I believe that you are mistaken about Harry being at the 60th anniversary parade.
William was on the balcony, with his step mum, Tim Laurence and Princess Alexandra.
Although various Cadet Corps took part, they are not to be confused with Officer Cadets.
Where did you read that Harry took part?

Harry was on the balcony, he did not take part.

i think you are right. harry and william 'swapped' balcony appearances this year. willliam was at one, harry at the other.

 

[Skydragon]

i think you are right. harry and william 'swapped' balcony appearances this year. willliam was at one, harry at the other.

Thanks Pollyemma, I checked and Harry was on the balcony of BP but certainly did not take part in the parade.

 

[gaggleofcrazypeople]

i bet a little teasing is in order but maturity will be present

True, he has been acting mature lately.

 

[Iluvbertie]

I believe that you are mistaken about Harry being in the 60th anniversary parade.
William was on the balcony, with his step mum, Tim Laurence and Princess Alexandra.
Although various Cadet Corps took part, they are not to be confused with Officer Cadets.
Where did you read that Harry took part?

Harry was on the balcony, he did not take part, he was in his officer cadets uniform, not an officers!.

William was in New Zealand when the 60th Anniversary took place.

Harry was definitely on the balcony, laughing with Camilla. He was in his officer cadet's uniform and was certainly in the car that came past me, returning from the celebrations at Horseguards.

As I have never been to the Trooping of the Colour I have never seen William so I know I am not confused.

 

[Iluvbertie]

Cadet Officers do not attend the Trooping of the Colour, so we won't see it there.

Sorry I didn't make it clear. I meant if they attended as part of the Royal procession not on the parade ground but of course it will be held while William is still training and not in his break time so he won't be able to attend anyway.

Unless the degree is for a specialist subject ie. Doctor, Vet, a university education does not make a great deal of difference to your climb up the ladder. As I said in an earlier post, a degree can be gained in psychology, Madonna, The Beatles and all manner of subjects, none of which would help you in the Army.

Promotion is usually based on your performance as an officer, although an exception will probably be made for William. That would be unfair to the rest of the recruits and to Harry but, life is rarely fair!

Having any degree does gain credit on the early rungs.

The press have been clearly saying that William is likely to reach Captain before Harry due to having a degree (which is recognised as additional training).

I my personal experience, due to having a degree, I was commissioned as a 2nd Lt but after the commissioning ceremony was immediately given my 2nd pip making me a 1st Lt. Those in my class who didn't have degrees and who had graduated on the same parade had to salute me immediately. Even so my rank wasn't substantive until the same date as theirs and but I was eligible for promotion to Captain 6 months before them. I served in the Australian Army Reserve, which has the same promotion practices as the British at the early levels.


A degree does allow William faster promotion at the earlier ranks than Harry.


Harry has even said comments along the lines that he will only be able to have William salute him for a short period of time as he knows that William will get the extra promotion due to the degree.

After they both make captain then will they have to be judged on their military ability alone and William's degress will have no meaning.

 

[Elspeth]

Perhaps if Harry knows that William will be outranking him sooner rather than later, he'll forgo the short-term pleasure of having William salute him, then.

 

[Skydragon]

Having any degree does gain credit on the early rungs.

The press have been clearly saying that William is likely to reach Captain before Harry due to having a degree (which is recognised as additional training).Those in my class who didn't have degrees and who had graduated on the same parade had to salute me immediately. Even so my rank wasn't substantive until the same date as theirs and but I was eligible for promotion to Captain 6 months before them. I served in the Australian Army Reserve, which has the same promotion practices as the British at the early levels.

We will have to agree to disagree but with 2 sons who are serving Army Officers, a nephew training at Sandhurst, all with degrees and with the present advertising campaign pointing out that 'you are judged on your abilities not your qualifications', I can only put it down to a difference between the regular army and the reserve (which I believe is like our territorials).

As we have all seen, you can't rely too much on what the papers say.

 

[Skydragon]

William was in New Zealand when the 60th Anniversary took place.
Harry was definitely on the balcony, laughing with Camilla. He was in his officer cadet's uniform and was certainly in the car that came past me, returning from the celebrations at Horseguards.
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I was talking about the huge parade we had on 13th November at the cenotaph on rememberance Sunday, not the 60th anniversary that was originally stated, I should have read Corazons post properly. William was definately on the balcony with Camilla as I have said at that one!
However Harry was not IN either parade.

 

[corazon]

william was buckingham balcony for the trooping colour in 11 Jun 2005.

harry attend at Horse Guards Parade on National Commemoration Day July 10, 2005 in London before and the same day harry was in buckingham balcony.
the same day William at Auckland War Memorial Museum for ceremony on the 60th anniversary, william was there in queen name.

and william was in Remembrance Sunday service at Whitehall in London 13 November 2005.

 

[Skydragon]

harry attend at Horse Guards Parade on National Commemoration Day July 10, 2005 in London before and the same day harry was in buckingham balcony.
the same day William at Auckland War Memorial Museum for ceremony on the 60th anniversary

The 60th Anniversary celebrations to mark the end of the 2nd world war

and william was in Remembrance Sunday service at Whitehall in London 13 November 2005.

The Remembrance Day service, where William took part when he laid a wreath at the cenotaph, to remember all those killed fighting for the freedom we all enjoy now.

 

[corazon]

The 60th Anniversary celebrations to mark the end of the 2nd world war.
The Remembrance Day service, where William took part when he laid a wreath at the cenotaph, to remember all those killed fighting for the freedom we all enjoy now.

of course.

 

[Skydragon]

of course.

I wasn't actually asking a question, just trying to state which event each boy went to and what they were about, for anyone who was confused by the previous posts.

 

[kpusa1981]

Prince Harry current events part 7

We will have to agree to disagree but with 2 sons who are serving Army Officers, a nephew training at Sandhurst, all with degrees and with the present advertising campaign pointing out that 'you are judged on your abilities not your qualifications', I can only put it down to a difference between the regular army and the reserve (which I believe is like our territorials).

As we have all seen, you can't rely too much on what the papers say.

Harry Non-Graduate Cadet/ Officer:
1-3 year at 2nd Lt.
3 years at Lt.
5 years at Captian
This means that 11 years he would only be a captian and he would around 32 and might not be able to recieve the rank of Major.

William Graduate Cadet /Officer:
3 years at Lt.
5 years at Captian
This means that after the 8 years at 32 and he would be able to try for Major.

This is how having university effects things.

 

[Royal Fan]

Where does everyone see William and Harry in 10 (Military wise)

 

[corazon]

Where does everyone see William and Harry in 10 (Military wise)

in june for the trooping colour, or may be in april for queen's birthday.

 

[Skydragon]

This is how having university effects things.

Strange, it is not the way my sons have progressed over the years, or indeed any of my other male relatives, with and without any degrees. Both of the boys having spent less than the time you quote at Lt or Captain.

I find it troubling that anyone would think a degree in The Beatles, Psychology or Madonna, (all valid degree couses), would make any difference in the army promotion stakes, it would be like a belief, that you can be taught 'man management' or leadership.

I think we are all agreed that William will probably come out as a Lt., gain promotion faster, whether this will be purely on who he is, is up to the individual to decide but, in the modern Army having a degree is secondary to your ability to lead. He could of course fail his initial exams and decide to leave early.

Harry will have at least 14 weeks to savour the chance of William having to salute him, which is where this all began I think.

 

[gaggleofcrazypeople]

I think Harry will still be in the military, but Wills won't.