Princess Caroline‘s Role in Monaco

[Florestane]

Do you remember the Sadness of Princess Grace !.

I remember that she and Rainier would not have chosen Junot themselves. But they accepted their daughter's choice. How that makes the wedding low-key escapes me...

The other weddings were second and third marriages - hardly surprising that they were low-key. The fact that she was pregnant is neither here nor there IMO.

 

[misselle]

I went to look for some evidence and found a few pictures of her without a wedding band in these last few years. So, yes, it seems she stopped wearing it for some time.

Here at this year's Rose Ball, for example
http://www.buro247.com/images/467909822.jpg


But how to explain this wedding ban now? Reconciliation with Ernst seems to be the most logical explanation but, if true, wouldn't Ernst have been present at Pierre's wedding, for example?

In Tatiana's case, its no longer simply family money. When her grandfather died in 2011, he divided his fortune. Tatiana inherited 1/6 of a fortune that was reported to be around 8 billion US. Tatiana is a very rich woman, and her fortune will only grow, as it is shares in a hugely successful business empire. Her half-Uncle Alejandro runs it now (he married Charlotte Wellesley recently). There is also another half-Uncle and her brother who all inherited chunks.

Perhaps it is nostalgic. I noticed that Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy Onassis wore two wedding bands while married to Onassis--one for her late husband, one for Onassis. In any case, Caroline and Ernst appear content to remain married while living separate lives... I have never read that there has been a divorce or annulment of their marriage and Caroline still uses Ernst's styling of HRH and is Caroline of Hanover. She is such a private person, very little news about her comes up...

 

[burbankstorylady]

But "taking as many lovers" as one wants is fornication, no?

Why is that better than adultery?

Those are two very different things. If she's single, she is not hurting another person. She is not betraying a commitment. "Taking as many lovers as she wants" if she's single is not betraying someone she has made a commitment to. Maybe you don't like it, for some religious reason, I don't know you, but that is not at all as bad as adultery in my book! Adultery is a betrayal and is hurting another person. I don't see anything wrong with a single Caroline doing as she pleases, as long as she is not hurting others.

 

[maria-olivia]

They said Son Altesse Royale de Hannovre.
So there are 4 Princesses de Hannovre now. She she be Dowager ?

 

[Somebody]

They said Son Altesse Royale de Hannovre.
So there are 4 Princesses de Hannovre now. She she be Dowager ?

As long as her husband is alive (and she remains married to him) she is 'the princess of Hanover'. At some point that role will be taken over by Ekaterina.

There are also many princesses X of Hanover (at least: her sisters-in-law Marie (countess of Hochberg), Olga, Alexandra ('the princess of Leiningen') and Thyra, her daughter Alexandra, her niece Eugenia, her step-daughters-in-law Ekaterina and Alessandra, her step-granddaughter Elisabeth - but that's only those who are most closely related) but she is the only one who can claim to be 'the princess of Hanover'.

 

[Stefan]

As long as her husband is alive (and she remains married to him) she is 'the princess of Hanover'. At some point that role will be taken over by Ekaterina.

There are also many princesses X of Hanover (at least: her sisters-in-law Marie (countess of Hochberg), Olga, Alexandra ('the princess of Leiningen') and Thyra, her daughter Alexandra, her niece Eugenia, her step-daughters-in-law Ekaterina and Alessandra, her step-granddaughter Elisabeth - but that's only those who are most closely related) but she is the only one who can claim to be 'the princess of Hanover'.

Actually there is noone of them who is the The Princess of Hannover as all of them have the same surname in german Law which iss name, Princess of Hannover. And also if we use the old royal Titles and stlyes all of them are HRH Princess of Hannover. In german there is no definition of like "The Princess of Hannover" like it is in the UK.

 

[Blog Real]

Does Charlotte Casiraghi have any jobs? What does she do? Is her career in equestrian competitions standing?

And Pierre and Andrea? What do they do?

Alexandra from Hanover is studying?

 

[Somebody]

Actually there is noone of them who is the The Princess of Hannover as all of them have the same surname in german Law which iss name, Princess of Hannover. And also if we use the old royal Titles and stlyes all of them are HRH Princess of Hannover. In german there is no definition of like "The Princess of Hannover" like it is in the UK.

Of course, by law there is no 'the princess of Hannover', however, in royal circles they do use these kind of titles for the German royals and nobility as well:
* The Prince and Princess of Prussia
* The Duke and Duchess of Württemberg
* The Margrave and Margravine of Baden
* The Landgrave of Hesse

Their heirs are also typically known as 'the hereditary prince' (or something similar).

 

[Aniston_Crazy]

Has charlotte ever spoken about grace?

 

[fandesacs2003]

I don't think so, but I don't see what she could say. She never met this legendary grandma, so she knows only the image. Any feelings transmitted by Pcs Caroline are private, Charlotte would never make them public

Has charlotte ever spoken about grace?

 

[Aniston_Crazy]

I'd love to hear some insights. Like favorite movie or wearing her necklace. It would so emotional and heartwarming to hear them just talk about their grandma but then grandma is grace Kelly!!!

 

[azure]

I don't know if this is the best place to put this link, but it contains such beautiful pictures, especially the black and white with Albert, Rainier and Caroline:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9sW7odhJN9/

 

[lazuli]

I don't know if this is the best place to put this link, but it contains such beautiful pictures, especially the black and white with Albert, Rainier and Caroline:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9sW7odhJN9/

Well, i'm not sure either, but… i'm so glad you posted them!!! Some of these photos are really new to me i'd never seen them before, especially those of the birthdays celebrations… Thank you so much for posting them!!!

 

[Denville]

I'd love to hear some insights. Like favorite movie or wearing her necklace. It would so emotional and heartwarming to hear them just talk about their grandma but then grandma is grace Kelly!!!

why would they talk about a grandmother none of them knew?

 

[Blog Real]

Alexandra from Hannover is at the university? what is she studying?

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

According to her thread here she's at a university in the USA but it's not known where or what she is studying.

 

[Florestane]

Not in the US anymore but not sure where or what she is studying. Saw something a while back about her returning to Europe.

 

[palomasie]

Does anyone else think it’s weird how Alexandra’s been living in NYC for some years now (she goes to NYU) and yet we don’t have any paparazzi pictures? Like I wonder if Charlotte had gone to university in the U.S, especially NYC, there would’ve been some sort of media coverage? Or am I mistaken? I remember seeing paparazzi pics of Charlotte out and about NYC with her cousin Afra.. anyways, is that because people in the U.S have no idea who Alexandra is? Or was the hype around the Casiraghis much more intense?

 

[Blog Real]

Does anyone else think it’s weird how Alexandra’s been living in NYC for some years now (she goes to NYU) and yet we don’t have any paparazzi pictures? Like I wonder if Charlotte had gone to university in the U.S, especially NYC, there would’ve been some sort of media coverage? Or am I mistaken? I remember seeing paparazzi pics of Charlotte out and about NYC with her cousin Afra.. anyways, is that because people in the U.S have no idea who Alexandra is? Or was the hype around the Casiraghis much more intense?

I think the hype around Casiraghis was much more intense. I remember that Charlotte, Andrea and Pierre were followed by paparazzi everywhere.
I think Alexandra can go more unnoticed. And maybe people in the U.S. have no idea who Alexandra is.

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

Does anyone else think it’s weird how Alexandra’s been living in NYC for some years now (she goes to NYU) and yet we don’t have any paparazzi pictures? Like I wonder if Charlotte had gone to university in the U.S, especially NYC, there would’ve been some sort of media coverage? Or am I mistaken? I remember seeing paparazzi pics of Charlotte out and about NYC with her cousin Afra.. anyways, is that because people in the U.S have no idea who Alexandra is? Or was the hype around the Casiraghis much more intense?

I think that's because the Hanovers are a more private family - Alexandra also spent some of her childhood in Austria away from Monaco so that probably also explains her absence from the Casiraghi scene.

 

[selket]

I think that's because the Hanovers are a more private family - Alexandra also spent some of her childhood in Austria away from Monaco so that probably also explains her absence from the Casiraghi scene.

I think that's true.

And Alexandra didn't have the Loving Father torn away at 30 and Tragically Grieving Mother Story that the Casiraghi's had. Everyone was keen to see how they would bear up and grow up from year to year.

Ernst's seeming acute dislike for living in the public eye certainly contributed tension to his marriage with Caroline, but seems to also to have been put to good use to help his daughter grow up without a camera in her face at every turn.

 

[Aniston_Crazy]

I feel like my comment would be better here rather than alexandras thread.


I'm a total newbie into the princely family so have so many questions and general wonderings. Came as a Grace fan and general interest in the rest of the family. I agree maybe there's been loads of bias thats stuck in my head from years. I've seen bad comments of tumblr, insta, even here sometimes. And maybe it's stayed in my head. I've heard about Andrea being a druggie but then someone says he's shy and the nicest. People say horrible things about pierre being a total privileged bad boy. I'd heard charlotte was a miserable spoilt but I watched/read her interviews and I really like her. Again I don't know much about alexandra but on the surface she's seems like a well rounded young woman so when I saw that comment above, the media bias came back. Are the casiraghis that bad?

Thats the minus side of being so private (which I think they are right about) people can write anything and project anything and you dont know who they are.

Thats why sometimes I'll ask questions such as do they talk about grace etc etc. I'm a newbie and just getting to know you guys and therefore monaco princely family.

 

[Aniston_Crazy]

I don't mean this with any bad intent at all but you guys have been here for years and know more. I'd just like to know more too. I'm not a fan of beatrice and pierre at all but would love to be proved wrong. And on the flip side would love to be proved right about charlotte, I really like her and I think she's a good person.

 

[Florestane]

I don't mean this with any bad intent at all but you guys have been here for years and know more. I'd just like to know more too. I'm not a fan of beatrice and pierre at all but would love to be proved wrong. And on the flip side would love to be proved right about charlotte, I really like her and I think she's a good person.

I think they're all essentially good people - extremely privileged but none of them are bad people.

They lead their lives, they try to be private, they seem to be extremely close and loyal. Pierre is the most extrovert and perhaps mixes with a slightly wider circle. He does a lot for charity - he did work for AMADE and he usually turns up for sports events linked to Princess Charlene's foundation. Andrea is very private but he also helps run his family businesses and does his bit for charity.

Beatrice works - she sometimes says things I find ridiculous, like she's a socialist. Or she's an atheist but she had an extravagant 3 day celebration for a religious wedding. But I think she is interested in hard news and puts in the hours.

Charlotte is a funny mix - she wants to be private but she does things in her working life that invite or require publicity. Her understandable desire to remain private can sometimes mean that her interviews actually say very little at all.

She can come across as a bit pretentious - telling the world that you just love curling up with a bit of Cicero or whoever, when you essentially dropped out of your studies to follow your boyfriend reads strangely, even if it is the truth. I do believe she has very intellectual interests but she sometimes gives mixed messages. Her interviews about philosophy are interesting and I enjoyed the book she wrote with Robert Maggiori. But I find Alexandra saying she likes JD Salinger more believable and relatable than someone who claims to like to read the Dead Sea Scrolls in the original. I think Charlotte has a certain impression of herself that she wants to project.

I've also heard about different behaviour. I've heard she's friendly, down to earth and polite but then I've seen video of her being quite rude to people at fashion shows (the ones who have to meet, greet and move the celebs on). So she's human with her moments of moodiness.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Aniston_Crazy]

Thank you for your detailed and thoughtful response. Shame about charlotte. I think I had a soft spot for her because she looks like my cousin lol and I kinda get her. Uncomfortable in public life and people think you're aloof or have rbf. Insecure about not knowing who you are, what you want to be.

Beatrice, I agree with her on her politics but but she just doesn't come across warm or kind or friendly at all. And maybe pierre as an extension of that. And the new york incident. Plus they also look like clichés, not titled but not doing anything and smoking and drinking and looking cool. Andrea just seems introverted and him and tatiana seem really happy, raising kids in a down to earth way in London.

They all just seem like "you can't sit with us" people but I thought charlotte was the exception.

 

[Florestane]

Thank you for your detailed and thoughtful response. Shame about charlotte. I think I had a soft spot for her because she looks like my cousin lol and I kinda get her. Uncomfortable in public life and people think you're aloof or have rbf. Insecure about not knowing who you are, what you want to be.

Beatrice, I agree with her on her politics but but she just doesn't come across warm or kind or friendly at all. And maybe pierre as an extension of that. And the new york incident. Plus they also look like clichés, not titled but not doing anything and smoking and drinking and looking cool. Andrea just seems introverted and him and tatiana seem really happy, raising kids in a down to earth way in London.

They all just seem like "you can't sit with us" people but I thought charlotte was the exception.

She's human - I like her. I think she spent a lot of her twenties wondering what she was doing. I think she seems much more content and at peace with herself since she met Dimitri Rassam.

Also, to be fair the videos during fashion week were around the time things were falling apart with Gad so she wasn't in the best place.

Just sometimes when she gives interviews and she's talking about what she's reading I kind of roll my eyes and think "we get it, you like to read things that make you think but it's ok to admit you read glossy magazines as well".

I think they are all ok - I think Caroline can be proud of how they have turned out. They don't work like an average Joe because they don't have to (I wouldn't in their position) but none of them just sits back and does nothing, despite what some press and people say.

As to Pierre and the New York incident, I don't think anyone came out of that looking amazing but as far as I'm aware Adam Hock was the aggressor not Pierre.

But, these are my impressions developed over many years of Grimaldi watching - plus speaking with a few people I know in and around Monaco. You will form your own impressions and that's fine.

 

[palomasie]

She's human - I like her. I think she spent a lot of her twenties wondering what she was doing. I think she seems much more content and at peace with herself since she met Dimitri Rassam.

Also, to be fair the videos during fashion week were around the time things were falling apart with Gad so she wasn't in the best place.

Just sometimes when she gives interviews and she's talking about what she's reading I kind of roll my eyes and think "we get it, you like to read things that make you think but it's ok to admit you read glossy magazines as well".

I think they are all ok - I think Caroline can be proud of how they have turned out. They don't work like an average Joe because they don't have to (I wouldn't in their position) but none of them just sits back and does nothing, despite what some press and people say.

As to Pierre and the New York incident, I don't think anyone came out of that looking amazing but as far as I'm aware Adam Hock was the aggressor not Pierre.

But, these are my impressions developed over many years of Grimaldi watching - plus speaking with a few people I know in and around Monaco. You will form your own impressions and that's fine.

I don’t remember seeing any videos of Charlotte being rude but that’s because there was a time I wasn’t following very closely.. would you happen to have that video in particular?

 

[Florestane]

I don’t remember seeing any videos of Charlotte being rude but that’s because there was a time I wasn’t following very closely.. would you happen to have that video in particular?

Perhaps video would be more accurate - and sorry, no I don't keep things like that. I just remember seeing it and being a little surprised at the attitude. I can't even remember exactly when it was or which fashion show. And by rude, I mean more offhand and annoyed than having a diva tantrum. I remember her friend Juliette Dol was with her.

Funny how people are picking up on this rather than all the positive stuff I said. Plenty of people have met her and found her charming and "normal" without airs and graces - and that's how she comes across in live interviews. I like her, she does things to earn her living, she is interested in more than fluff, she is loyal to friends and family. She just gives off (to me) - or rather, gave off, mixed messages at times - maybe magazine interviews are not the best medium for her personality to come across, and maybe the journalists labour the "I'm an intellectual" point which gives an unbalanced view.

Sorry - very long reply to say no. And I'm not sure how you would find it other than googling lots of videos of her at Fashion weeks during the Gad years.

 

[An Ard Ri]

This thread has been tidied up please keep personal rants to yourselves for future reference.

 

[Aniston_Crazy]

Hi everybody. I wanted to apologise for the nasty stuff I said.