Future York Weddings

[iowabelle]

I was thinking last night about the girls... Their nuptials will be regarded as more private events than the weddings of William, obviously, and Harry. If the monarch (either EII or Charles) declines to foot the bills on behalf of their parents, Andrew and Sarah will have to come up with a sizeable amount of cash. Andrew doesn't seem to be terribly flush, but Sarah has entrepreneurial capacity. And we all know that Yorks are willing to sell themselves to Hello! or similar magazines.

Should we expect another embarassment for BP, or should the monarch and the family decide on some rules for weddings and commercialism, and if so, what should they be?

 

[Bella]

I was thinking last night about the girls... Their nuptials will be regarded as more private events than the weddings of William, obviously, and Harry. If the monarch (either EII or Charles) declines to foot the bills on behalf of their parents, Andrew and Sarah will have to come up with a sizeable amount of cash. Andrew doesn't seem to be terribly flush, but Sarah has entrepreneurial capacity. And we all know that Yorks are willing to sell themselves to Hello! or similar magazines.

Should we expect another embarassment for BP, or should the monarch and the family decide on some rules for weddings and commercialism, and if so, what should they be?

I was just having this discussion with someone. I think we're going to be seeing more commercialism w regard to royal weddings (w the exception of P Wm as his wedding will be a state affair and have to follow more protocol). Zara is already in the endorsing arena and who's to say she won't keep it up for her wedding. As for the York girls, I can def. see their mother encouraging them to take up some good deals. I think P Andrew might be a bit more reluctant to go that route, but I think Sarah could easily sway him. None of these people really need 'deals' tho as they are all extremely wealthy and more than capable of pulling off a grand wedding w/out any additional financial assistance.

 

[jcbcode99]

I think that WIlliam and Harry both will have big, lavish weddings as they are the sons of the Monarch; I do think that Bea and Eugenie will have smaller weddings--and that they will sell the rights to magazines. I certainly don't mind--I love reading all the details. If they're willing to part with information I'm going to read it.
I wonder if those photos will be airbrushed as well?

 

[Jo of Palatine]

I think that WIlliam and Harry both will have big, lavish weddings as they are the sons of the Monarch;

Uppss... are you willing to wait for the next 10-20 years or do you believe in an earlier demise of HM Elizabeth II:?

 

[jcbcode99]

THank you, Jo! I didn't even realize my mistake. Of course, I do not want QEII to pass anytime soon! That would be horrible; I guess I was just thinking in the future. Sometimes I just forget that WIlliam and Harry are as old as they are.

 

[iowabelle]

I was assuming that either Granny or Charles would pick up the bills for William and Harry's extravaganzas -- I'm not as pessimistic as jcbcode99 re Elizabeth's longevity!!

Yes, it's fairly obvious that William and Harry will have big weddings since they are so close to the throne -- and William's will be a state affair. I'm guessing that Harry's will follow the models of Princess Anne or the Duke of York's, although Chelsy might wear a leopardskin wedding dress.

I wonder if the decreasing grandness of the weddings will mean that Louise and Severn have mere registry office weddings?

But getting back to Peter's wedding and what happened, it wouldn't have had a significant impact on the Queen's finances to kick in as much as a million dollars for the nuptials of her allegedly favorite grandson (and she could easily afford to do as much for each of the 8 grandchildren). But I'm not sure that Charles would be as generous to his nieces and nephew.

 

[scooter]

My personal opinion is that if The Queen does not wish to have the rights to family nuptuals sold to the media, she should pay for the wedding, negating the need to sell the rights to pay the cost of the wedding. If this week's nuptuals are any example, when the bride's parents could not pay for them (and what private family could pay for a Windsor wedding) and Princess Anne refused to, then the bride and groom will sell the rights to pay the cost. JMO

 

[Skydragon]

I was thinking last night about the girls... Their nuptials will be regarded as more private events than the weddings of William, obviously, and Harry. If the monarch (either EII or Charles) declines to foot the bills on behalf of their parents, Andrew and Sarah will have to come up with a sizeable amount of cash. Andrew doesn't seem to be terribly flush, but Sarah has entrepreneurial capacity. And we all know that Yorks are willing to sell themselves to Hello! or similar magazines.

I don't think Andrew would be happy with anything short of the full royal wedding for his daughters.

 

[BeatrixFan]

I think the York weddings are going to be interesting ones. I have a feeling that we might see a Royal pairing for one of the girls which would be lovely. I think it'll be Andrew and Sarah who foot the bill which I really don't think will be a problem. I agree with Skydragon though, Andrew will press for the whole shebang.

 

[Russophile]

Both are too young to be married at this time. Charles might be King by the time they do marry and that could be interesting.
Though didn't Charles and Camilla have a sort of registry marriage as well??

 

[Mermaid1962]

I think that they're going to have to make some rules, yes. The line between celebrity and royalty is almost nonexistent in many people's eyes (sadly enough), and so offers to various members of the Royal Family, particulary the younger or more minor ones, are going to happen again and again.

or should the monarch and the family decide on some rules for weddings and commercialism, and if so, what should they be?

 

[Kezza]

I don't think Andrew would be happy with anything short of the full royal wedding for his daughters.

I agree, although I do picture him and which ever daughter is getting married arriving in a helicopter for some reason.

 

[Bella]

I think that they're going to have to make some rules, yes. The line between celebrity and royalty is almost nonexistent in many people's eyes (sadly enough), and so offers to various members of the Royal Family, particulary the younger or more minor ones, are going to happen again and again.

I don't think this is going to change much, esp. once HM passes away and Charles takes the throne. Times have changed too much from the days when the RF still held a mysterious sort of awe about them. Candid photos and interviews (can anyone imagine Pss Margaret sitting down on television and discussing the breakup of her marriage w Lord Snowden a generation ago? Never!) have ripped away that curtain between Us and Them and have exposed Them to be alot like Us. And as royalty becomes less and less significant in the "Western World", they will be seen more as blue-blooded celebs than anything else.

 

[Menarue]

I agree with you Bella and I think it is a shame but there is no going back.
There is a rule that will probably be adhered to, The monarch´s consent to any wedding of a member or close relation of the royal family.

 

[iowabelle]

I think the York weddings are going to be interesting ones. I have a feeling that we might see a Royal pairing for one of the girls which would be lovely. I think it'll be Andrew and Sarah who foot the bill which I really don't think will be a problem. I agree with Skydragon though, Andrew will press for the whole shebang.

BeatrixFan, do you have some inside information? Which girl do you think will make a royal match?

I do know that Andrew has stood up for his girls' rights and I'm sure that he would want suitable weddings for them. But as time passes on, the Yorks will be less central to the Royal Family -- the spotlight will be on Will and Harry, fortunately for the Yorks. (I mean, Will's wedding will be a state event, with more dignitaries than friends -- remember how Diana complained she couldn't get enough invitations for the people she wanted? --, Harry's a more personal event rather like Andrew's own wedding, and the York girls will probably get weddings full of friends, family and celebrities of their own choosing, rather than having BP dictate the guest list.)

But what I'm getting to is, that royals marry on a different scale than other people do. If I were to marry, I could have a picnic in the backyard and no one, besides my mother, could complain. Beatrice and Eugenie probably wouldn't do that because of the expectations of their family... so someone has to pay the bills.

Will the monarch impose some sort of guidelines to avoid commercializing their royal connections? Of course, this is a separate issue from the monarch consenting to their marriages.

 

[kimebear]

The difference between the weddings of Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie and the Phillips wedding is that they are titled members of the Royal Family, so expectations are likely to be even higher.

The whole business regarding the Hello deal is really troubling since it leaves someone in the RF guilty of gross indifference. Without question, it is unlikely that Autumn's family could pay for that kind of affair, so the cost would have to be shouldered by the groom's family. You could go on and on about how they didn't need to have such a lavish event, but then we would have weeks of ranting about the small manner in which the wedding of the Queens oldest granchild was married in, ex. "The Queen must not approve, so they kept it small", etc etc. So either the Queen didn't feel the need to help out the newlyweds with the bill (and why should she, she already gave them the chapel and Frogmore) or Anne and Mark didn't want to stump up for the cost, which would be truly shameful if it was true. It wasn't the photos themselves that cheapened the image of the RF, it was the apparant need of money to pay for the affair that did.

As for the Yorks though, I hope the girls have large weddings with all the hoopla that goes along with them. They are fifth and sixth in line to the throne. A fact that seems to get lost on some as not being a big deal. Say what you want to about their mother, but at least Sarah would be most likely happy to write a million pound check to pay for the affair unlike Anne. After all, as some are happy to point out, she and Andrew are always pushing for their daughters to be acknowledged as first rate royals. As for pictures, well, I enjoyed looking at the ones from Peter's wedding. Didn't everyone else that followed it? Or did you shield your eyes? The execution of the photos was the disturbing point. Who wouldn't want to see photos of the Queen watching happily while her grandson was married? Or see photos of the guests enjoying themselves at the reception? My hope is that when the York girls get married, the weddings are paid for by their parents and lots of approved photos are published by the family so there are no more commercial deals made that cheapen the RF image.

 

[iowabelle]

I agree, kimebear, it was a puzzle to me why it didn't occur to a senior royal or staff that Peter and Autumn might not have had the money to throw the kind of wedding that was expected. IMO the parents of the couple should have talked to them about the budget, and if assistance was needed, the Princess Royal should have talked to the Queen. As I've said before, even if the Queen had produced a million dollars for the event, that's nothing in her financial picture.

I have to admit that some of the photos were rather revealing... I really liked the one where Prince Harry kisses the Queen, you don't usually see that kind of emotion between the grandchildren and the Queen.

 

[lady_windsor]

call me old fashioned but when a girl gets married, isnt the wedding her husbands responsibility. (In that i mean- they will get married at his own church and everything)---if you get what i mean.
I understand that it is a mutual decision and havent got married yet, but i always imagined that i would probably get married in my husbands home town. I believe beatrice's boyfriend is American isnt he???
I think although both eugenie and beatrice are 'higher' royals that peter, it would be really wierd if they had a proper huge 'royal' wedding. I have no idea how it works because i was not alive when princess anne got married so i have no idea what it will be like.

 

[Skydragon]

call me old fashioned but when a girl gets married, isnt the wedding her husbands responsibility. (In that i mean- they will get married at his own church and everything)---if you get what i mean.
I understand that it is a mutual decision and havent got married yet, but i always imagined that i would probably get married in my husbands home town. I believe beatrice's boyfriend is American isnt he???
I think although both eugenie and beatrice are 'higher' royals that peter, it would be really wierd if they had a proper huge 'royal' wedding. I have no idea how it works because i was not alive when princess anne got married so i have no idea what it will be like.

It is the brides church and the brides parents that pay the lions share, including the receptions.
Financing the wedding - who pays for what

the York girls are minor royals and it is to be hoped their parents pay for it, but I have a horrible feeling that Andrew will try to insist on a 'right royal wedding' for his little princesses.

 

[emmalisa]

I didn't quite understand why it was a problem for Royal Princess to share costs of a wedding of his only son?

 

[Elspeth]

Do we actually know that Princess Anne and Mark Phillips refused to help with the costs of this wedding, or is this just conjecture to explain why the rights were sold to Hello?

 

[Skydragon]

Do we actually know that Princess Anne and Mark Phillips refused to help with the costs of this wedding, or is this just conjecture to explain why the rights were sold to Hello?

Purely conjecture.

It could be that Anne and her family paid for the wedding, dresses, church fees, flowers, reception etc and Peter was paid to allow Hello to do the photographs, with the added promise of a top quality album.

 

[scooter]

May 18th Daily Mail " The family of the bride was unable to pay the cost of the lavish ceremony and Princess Anne is said to have been unwilling to foot the E50,000 bill"

 

[Elspeth]

Well, I'm glad she wasn't unwilling for her son to find the money from Hello, then. I mean, I have a hard time believing that she wasn't consulted about it.

 

[Skydragon]

May 18th Daily Mail " The family of the bride was unable to pay the cost of the lavish ceremony and Princess Anne is said to have been unwilling to foot the E50,000 bill"

Unless we see a statement to the effect that Anne refused to pay for anything, we simply don't know who paid for what.

The Mail only says 'is said to have been unwilling', not even an unnamed source!

 

[lady_windsor]

i think whenBeatrice gets married, she will also have a hello exclusive because she has admitted to being a big fan of the magazine

 

[rmay286]

I think Beatrice and Eugenie's weddings will be well publicized just based on the history they already have with the media...their Tatler photoshoots and interviews, Beatrice on the catwalk with her mom, Beatrice with a small role in the Queen Victoria film...they don't shy away from the spotlight!

On the other hand, even Sarah is very careful about watching her step around the Queen. I don't think they'll do anything that doesn't have the Queen's approval.

 

[Russophile]

call me old fashioned but when a girl gets married, isnt the wedding her husbands responsibility.

I always thought the bride's parents paid for the wedding and the groom's parents paid for the honeymoon.
Though in both my weddings, we paid for pretty much everything.

 

[jcbcode99]

The difference between the weddings of Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie and the Phillips wedding is that they are titled members of the Royal Family, so expectations are likely to be even higher.

The whole business regarding the Hello deal is really troubling since it leaves someone in the RF guilty of gross indifference. Without question, it is unlikely that Autumn's family could pay for that kind of affair, so the cost would have to be shouldered by the groom's family. You could go on and on about how they didn't need to have such a lavish event, but then we would have weeks of ranting about the small manner in which the wedding of the Queens oldest granchild was married in, ex. "The Queen must not approve, so they kept it small", etc etc. So either the Queen didn't feel the need to help out the newlyweds with the bill (and why should she, she already gave them the chapel and Frogmore) or Anne and Mark didn't want to stump up for the cost, which would be truly shameful if it was true. It wasn't the photos themselves that cheapened the image of the RF, it was the apparant need of money to pay for the affair that did.

As for the Yorks though, I hope the girls have large weddings with all the hoopla that goes along with them. They are fifth and sixth in line to the throne. A fact that seems to get lost on some as not being a big deal. Say what you want to about their mother, but at least Sarah would be most likely happy to write a million pound check to pay for the affair unlike Anne. After all, as some are happy to point out, she and Andrew are always pushing for their daughters to be acknowledged as first rate royals. As for pictures, well, I enjoyed looking at the ones from Peter's wedding. Didn't everyone else that followed it? Or did you shield your eyes? The execution of the photos was the disturbing point. Who wouldn't want to see photos of the Queen watching happily while her grandson was married? Or see photos of the guests enjoying themselves at the reception? My hope is that when the York girls get married, the weddings are paid for by their parents and lots of approved photos are published by the family so there are no more commercial deals made that cheapen the RF image.

Perfectly said, Kimebear! There is obviously a great deal going on that we do not know, and to expect Autumn's family to pay for such an event is quite unfair. Did Earl Spencer pay for Diana's wedding? Did Ronald Ferguson pay for Sarah's? Did Sophie's father pay for his daughter's wedding? I admit, Peter begin a grandson is different, but the public was excited and clamouring for a beautiful wedding--were we not all posting for months about which tiara she would wear? It is unreasonable to expect a family that is not wealthy to pay for such an expensive affair. I have to say that I am disappointed in Anne and I do think that the York girls will have wonderfully extravagant weddings; it will be nice to see, but I cringe when I think about what Bea will wear.

 

[scooter]

Unless we see a statement to the effect that Anne refused to pay for anything, we simply don't know who paid for what.

The Mail only says 'is said to have been unwilling', not even an unnamed source!

Well, my point is, if QE or Princess Anne had paid for the wedding it negates the reason for the Bride and Groom to sell the rights. Certainly either QE/PA could have made the stipulation that the photos cant be sold. For what ever reason they chose not to. So the Bride and Groom sold the rights to cover the cost.