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I think you are exactly right. Its all based on what happened. And it seems to me if what I read is correct that after Henry IV took over, parliament and the nobility accepted the Lancaster line. In my opinion giving them and any future descendants the legitimate claim to the throne...

Got it. I think I was getting the differeny phillipas confused.

But I thought u had said the yorks had a superior claim through maternal decent. It really sounds to me based on what you just said about henry vii being from a son and jon of portugal being from a daughter that the lancasters did have the better claim because philppa was a duaghter too. And...

Thanks for all ut awesome help by the way but I thought I understood everything untill I just read this. If this is true about henry VII and john of portugal then wouldnt Guants male children be higher in succession than philippa or her children.

Im wondering now how much it matters? ?? Arnt there any others who feel they had any claim to the throne from some other previous kings? So what im really saying here is what right did both the yorks and the lancasters really have. Didnt edward I, II or III have any brothers that could have...

I think im getting it now. Not saying I like it but im getting it. I guess I would be on the Lancaster side here as it seems im trying to find any way to get them to have a stonger claim. Not sure how much it matters every king stole it from some other king at some point. I know you were...

So your saying technically Elizabeth of York is a decendant of both Edmund of York and Lionel Of Clarence??? I get the adultery thing and being legitimized but not able to inherit the throne but im just wondering for the sake of argument if hypothetically all of John of Gaunts Children were...

The Later Plantagenet Line of Succession and Rightful Heirs Is the 1st son of the kings 3rd son any higher ranking than the second son of the kings second son? Like which one would become king if no others were left. Are all of the sons of the kings second son higher than any of those of the...