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Not to the REAL world. Only when they are pro AA. If you were so interested in accuracy, you wouldn't diss the DNA. So you think the Russians and the Americans have lied? Will results from 1,000 labs ever suit you? Obvioulsy you don't have anything better to do. Very insignificant. None of my...

To see a CLAIMANT! I'm sure claimants did her health no good. Yes it would, because of you trying to resurrect a legend proven wrong. Then tell me how and why the intestine and hair are not hers? And the bone fragments not the fourth grand duchess? If you 'refuse to speculate', you are lower...

I was just reading that yesterday, and in its proper context, its meaning is it would upset her that she went to see a claimant. Anything about her being upset one person survived meaning the others were dead is your own assumption. And if they had all been dead but one, do you really think...

Her sickly, emaciated appearance was confusing to Olga and Gilliard, and made them take a longer time to be sure it wasn't her (again, I cite the story of the lady who took home the wrong dog) It's horrible how they're accused of really accepting her, then 'turning their backs' later. They gave...

If AA had been AN, everyone would have been overjoyed. The sad fact that she was an imposter is what was hurtful to the surviving family members. They took so much harassment and abuse, and accusations to this day, due to these money hungry pretenders. How would lying about finding them increase...

It is still interesting, as long as it's kept in the right context now that we know she wasn't AN. The story is always interesting to discuss and I'd like to do so in a post-DNA test world. Please?

Not quite. Actually, she needed to get out of Germany fast, and he looked for someone in America to take her. Through the friend, at Gleb's suggestion, Leeds agreed, however, she had left on a long vacation and wasn't even home when AA arrived! He wrote several books and articles, and no one...

Oh I thought you said it was Xenia who forbid her to accept her! How do you know Olga didn't just decide for herself? That's what it looks like to me. Give her enough credit, she wasn't influenced by anyone. But they were shacking up together since 1910, (when he took her away from Sergei...

I could post about a dozen or more quotes from Olga about how she didn't believe AA and never did (sure she gave her a chance, since she was so battered, and finally decided it wasn't her, this is NOT the same thing as 'changing her mind' or being 'influenced' to deny her) but I've already done...

The intestines and the hair were both labeled with her name and there is no evidence of tampering, in fact, the hospital explained how certain it was they were hers. The hair was labeled as hers, why would it be anyone else's? Most of all, it's all voided by the finding of the last 2 bodies and...

You miss the main issue here. Because DNA proved her not to be AN, we KNOW, yes KNOW, it didn't happen, and it can't be believed. However, you give basically "I don't believe it" as an answer to the DNA. IF not, you wouldn't even consider her 'side' to be valid, because it isn't.

Sorry, but 'my take' happens to be proven scientific fact. This means it's no longer up to opinion, and anyone 'thinking differently' is mistaken.

It's no use trying to put the hysterics off on me, everyone knows you're a total fanatic, and will stop at nothing to make your case for AA. I only want reality, truth and common sense, and integrity in history and science, to prevail over your fantasy stories. Why would you even bother to keep...

Then, you have no answers, and therefore no case. It's interesting to study the story, as long as the eventual outcome- AA being proven not to be AN- is accepted. I do NOT believe you believe this. Sorry. Actions speak louder than words. She doesn't upset me. She's an old, dead crazy woman. It's...

Answer this: why does everyone else in the civilized world, scientists, historians, news agencies, regular people, etc., accept the DNA, and only a handful of zealots don't? Do you even realize just what you are suggesting, a major conspiracy involving many scientists, labs, hospitals...

Of course you'd say that. It remains pretentious, rude, and unacceptable in civilized discussion. There is nothing to suggest they are, other than you, and a few others (such as bear) who can also not give us even a small lead as to why they aren't. Since there has been no issue with their...

You mean this? My goodness, that last paragraph, how pretentious and utterly rude!:eek: As for the first part, I understand he denied it later, but from all accounts I've seen, he had no problem with its authenticity until it failed the test.

Like it or not, chat, this story NEVER HAPPENED and that's why she couldn't get the date right. Chat, this story also NEVER HAPPENED. Though the Paris story also never happened, she did say it. It was the one she cooked up in the nut house with Clara P. She was so looney she didn't realize...

No, we've been through this before, too. You seem to forget that, one, people often forget and mix up dates even in their own lives. She could have not seen it until after AA became "AN" in early 1922. Or, more likely, the entire story never happened, and she got her dates wrong because there...

If anyone is interested in some wild excuses why the DNA didn't match, read pages 322-323 of Frances Welch's "A Romanov Fantasy" http://books.google.com/books?id=zMHLOncJpmsC&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22romanov+fantasy%22&sig=ACfU3U0OikeKNxawr2GDAolD4g3_G5URyg#PPA322,M1 also note on page 318 it...

Chat, I am not playing pictures with you. No need to drag out your old blurry, shadowy, obviously posed and lip biting picture of FS/AA trying to imitate AN's expression.We have been through all this before, and there's no need to clog the thread again. If anyone wants to see my comparisons they...

You cannot prove this, it's only your excuse. The story was false, and that's why she couldn't get the dates straight. You have to resort to accusing the newspaper of falsifying, and telling it as if it were a fact! Even if he was there, he never saw a shot AN in a bed across the street, since...

Have you seen this picture comparison? (FS left, AA right) http://www.freewebs.com/anastasiafranziska/anisfran2.jpg This combined with the DNA matching FS's family with 99.9% accuracy is a very strong case she was indeed FS, as the detectives found in the 20's.

Chat- I will no longer entertain the ficticious and/or out of timeline 'nurse' story. I also don't even dignify the even more ficticious Heinrich K. story with a response. Don't you see they were trying to come up with anyone and anything to back up their stories? Isn't it interesting it was...

Where are the quotes? IF they're real can you prove they are from the same guards on the same day? All it says is 'guard book' and you have no proof. You also need to consider the Bolshevik guards were not western European and were not exposed to English and German or people who spoke them. They...