Prince Friso of Orange-Nassau and Mabel Wisse-Smit: April 24, 2004

[The Watcher]

24 April 2004- The wedding of HRH Prince Johan Friso of the Netherlands and Mabel Wisse Smit

10.00 With car from Palace Noordeinde to City Hall in Delft

10.30-11.00 Civil wedding (The mayor of Delft mr. H.M.C.H. van Oorschot will do this part) The (around 50) guests are family, friends and other important people (I guess Prime Minister etc.)

Going with car to the Old Church

11.30-13.00 Wedding in the Church, the pastor is ds. Carel A. ter Linden (he did also the wedding of Willem-Alexander and Maxima) There will be around the 1400 guests.

Going with car to Palace Noordeinde

13.30 Arrival, Palace Noordeinde. Déjeuner.

 

[The Watcher]

Monday 19 april, the NOS will broadcast a interview with Prince Johan Friso and Mabel Wisse Smit. The couple is interviewed by Maartje van Weegen and Paul Witteman. They talk about subjects like, the future en Klaas Bruinsma.
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Openhartig gesprek met Prins Johan Friso en Mabel Wisse Smit
NOS zendt openhartig gesprek uit met Prins Johan Friso en Mabel Wisse Smit


De NOS zendt op maandag 19 april van 20.25 tot 21.05 uur (Nederland 2) onder de titel ‘Gesprek met Friso en Mabel’ een portretterend tv-gesprek uit met prins Johan Friso en zijn verloofde, Mabel Wisse Smit. Het betreft een openhartig gesprek, waarin prins Johan Friso en Mabel Wisse Smit ingaan op verschillende gespreksonderwerpen. Interviewers zijn Maartje van Weegen en Paul Witteman. Zij spraken het paar onlangs op Paleis Huis ten Bosch in Den Haag.


De uitzending met het aanstaande bruidspaar vindt een kleine week voor hun huwelijk plaats. Op zaterdag 24 april trouwen prins Johan Friso en Mabel Wisse Smit in Delft. Van deze gebeurtenis doet de NOS live verslag.

In het gesprek is het aanstaande huwelijk natuurlijk een van de gespreksonderwerpen. Daarnaast gaat het paar in op andere onderwerpen als de jeugd van beiden, hun opleiding, hun werk en hun toekomstverwachtingen. Ook staat het paar stil bij de contacten die Mabel Wisse Smit in het verleden had met Klaas Bruinsma. Zoals bekend leidde de ‘kwestie Bruinsma’ er uiteindelijk toe dat de regering in het najaar van 2003 besloot om geen toestemmingewet voor het huwelijk bij het parlement in te dienen. Daardoor zal prins Johan Friso na zijn huwelijk niet langer lid zijn van het Koninklijk Huis en daarmee eventuele rechten op troonsopvolging verliezen.


NOS Actueel, Gesprek met Friso en Mabel, maandag 19 april, 20.25 – 21.05, Nederland 2
Herhaling gesprek; dinsdag 20 april, 12.13 – 12.52 uur, Nederland 1

 

[moosey60]

1400 people? I thought that they'd have a smaller wedding since they didn't get "permission" for this wedding...Well it's good that Mabel and J-F are going to have their special day too.

When J-F marries Mabel will he lose the 'HRH' title? Would he be 'Prince Johan-Friso of the Netherlands'? Would Mabel receive a title? Would Johan-Friso and Mabel's future children be excluded in the line of succession too?

Sad...if Mabel hadn't lied maybe it wouldn't have come to this.

 

[MoonlightRhapsody]

Originally posted by moosey60@Apr 14th, 2004 - 7:28 pm
Sad...if Mabel hadn't lied maybe it wouldn't have come to this.

Umm, I don't know about that. I suspect they wouldn't have given their permission even if she told them upfront.

 

[USCtrojan]

Yes- However, one should always be truthful. Especially when it comes to future in-laws and family.... With anyone and everyone for that matter..... That was her mistake. Sorry their mistake to not say anything....

 

[Duchess Sophie]

Well, as Mabel had be open and honest about her past, the Dutch journalists hadn't digged up Charlie da Silva and Mohammed Sacirby to tell the truth. If Mabel had be open, then we all had forgave her, because the pressure from the press wasn't high then.

 

[karolinabraganza]

can someone post the link to the interview? thank you

 

[carlota]

Originally posted by moosey60@Apr 14th, 2004 - 7:28 pm
Sad...if Mabel hadn't lied maybe it wouldn't have come to this.

what did she say?
(or didn't say... )

 

[Jacqueline]

Originally posted by carlota+Apr 15th, 2004 - 12:32 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (carlota @ Apr 15th, 2004 - 12:32 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-moosey60@Apr 14th, 2004 - 7:28 pm
Sad...if Mabel hadn't lied maybe it wouldn't have come to this.

what did she say?
(or didn't say... ) [/b][/quote]
Mabel was questioned as to whether or not she'd had any association with a known career criminal. She lied about it, saying, "no." Eventually it was discovered that the two had a relationship. Her major fault was lying. She should have simply admitted it. This man was a public individual in that his business and reputation was well-known in many circles. It was definitely possible that someone would eventually link her to the man. In these situations it is better to tell the truth or even volunteer the information if possible. It is never good to be proven to be a liar. Obviously it is clear why she lied.

As someone to soon become a Princess of Netherlands after her engagement, Mable wouldn't want the public to know that she was once involved with a crime boss. That's understandable, but lying about it was worse. This was something that was not impossible to discover or prove.

It was also very insulting to assume that people would not have understood or eventually forgiven it. Now, that she has lied and Johan-Friso along with her, Johan-Friso had to forfit his succession rights. Who knows, what would have happend had she been honest? It may not have been as horrible as they may have thought.

 

[Danjel]

Originally posted by moosey60@Apr 15th, 2004 - 12:28 am
1400 people? I thought that they'd have a smaller wedding since they didn't get "permission" for this wedding...Well it's good that Mabel and J-F are going to have their special day too.

When J-F marries Mabel will he lose the 'HRH' title? Would he be 'Prince Johan-Friso of the Netherlands'? Would Mabel receive a title? Would Johan-Friso and Mabel's future children be excluded in the line of succession too?

Sad...if Mabel hadn't lied maybe it wouldn't have come to this.

Johan Willem Friso will lose his title of Prince of the Netherlands, BUT he will recieved THE PERSONAL title of Prince of Oranje-Nassau. Because of this Mabel can be adressed as Princess because of the fact that her husband is a prince, but she won't be a princess in her own right. (Just as Laurentien)
Their (future) sister in law, Máxima, was created a princess, so she's a princess in her own right.
When JWF and Mabel will get children hey will be adressed as Count(ess) of Oranje-Nassau, von Amsberg, just as Eloïse and Claus-Casimir

greetz
D

 

[konan]

For the Dutch members of this site, next monday there will be an interview with Mabel and Friso on television as a pre-wedding event.

 

[mgrant]

Originally posted by Jacqueline+Apr 15th, 2004 - 2:40 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jacqueline @ Apr 15th, 2004 - 2:40 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by carlota@Apr 15th, 2004 - 12:32 pm
<!--QuoteBegin-moosey60

@Apr 14th, 2004 - 7:28 pm
Sad...if Mabel hadn't lied maybe it wouldn't have come to this.

what did she say?
(or didn't say... )

Mabel was questioned as to whether or not she'd had any association with a known career criminal. She lied about it, saying, "no." Eventually it was discovered that the two had a relationship. Her major fault was lying. She should have simply admitted it. This man was a public individual in that his business and reputation was well-known in many circles. It was definitely possible that someone would eventually link her to the man. In these situations it is better to tell the truth or even volunteer the information if possible. It is never good to be proven to be a liar. Obviously it is clear why she lied.

As someone to soon become a Princess of Netherlands after her engagement, Mable wouldn't want the public to know that she was once involved with a crime boss. That's understandable, but lying about it was worse. This was something that was not impossible to discover or prove.

It was also very insulting to assume that people would not have understood or eventually forgiven it. Now, that she has lied and Johan-Friso along with her, Johan-Friso had to forfit his succession rights. Who knows, what would have happend had she been honest? It may not have been as horrible as they may have thought. [/b][/quote]
How unfortunate! Yet they still appear to be very happy in the pictures. He must love her a lot to forfeit his succession rights to the throne for her. I would not that of someone who wanted to marry me

 

[carlota]

Originally posted by Jacqueline+Apr 15th, 2004 - 2:40 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jacqueline @ Apr 15th, 2004 - 2:40 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by carlota@Apr 15th, 2004 - 12:32 pm
<!--QuoteBegin-moosey60

@Apr 14th, 2004 - 7:28 pm
Sad...if Mabel hadn't lied maybe it wouldn't have come to this.

what did she say?
(or didn't say... )

Mabel was questioned as to whether or not she'd had any association with a known career criminal. She lied about it, saying, "no." Eventually it was discovered that the two had a relationship. Her major fault was lying. She should have simply admitted it. This man was a public individual in that his business and reputation was well-known in many circles. It was definitely possible that someone would eventually link her to the man. In these situations it is better to tell the truth or even volunteer the information if possible. It is never good to be proven to be a liar. Obviously it is clear why she lied.
[/b][/quote]
did jf knw anything about it?

 

[MoonlightRhapsody]

Originally posted by carlota+Apr 16th, 2004 - 4:35 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (carlota @ Apr 16th, 2004 - 4:35 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by Jacqueline@Apr 15th, 2004 - 2:40 pm

Originally posted by carlota@Apr 15th, 2004 - 12:32 pm
<!--QuoteBegin-moosey60

@Apr 14th, 2004 - 7:28 pm
Sad...if Mabel hadn't lied maybe it wouldn't have come to this.

what did she say?
(or didn't say... )

Mabel was questioned as to whether or not she'd had any association with a known career criminal. She lied about it, saying, "no." Eventually it was discovered that the two had a relationship. Her major fault was lying. She should have simply admitted it. This man was a public individual in that his business and reputation was well-known in many circles. It was definitely possible that someone would eventually link her to the man. In these situations it is better to tell the truth or even volunteer the information if possible. It is never good to be proven to be a liar. Obviously it is clear why she lied.

did jf knw anything about it? [/b][/quote]
My guess is that he did but hoped for the best that they would take their [the couple's] word for it and leave it at that. Which the agency did. If those two former crime boss croonies had kept their mouths shut, no one would have been the wiser until after the wedding, most likely.

 

[Lyle]

Has anyone seen the guest list for the wedding? Since the wedding isn't "approved" by the Dutch Government, does that mean that many royals won't be attending? I know a previous post on the Swedish board said that no Swedish royals would be attending.

 

[Fireweaver]

The Norwegian king and queen will attend.

 

[mgrant]

Originally posted by Fireweaver@Apr 18th, 2004 - 7:58 pm
The Norwegian king and queen will attend.

I copied this from Netty's site (I hope that's OK):

"Today the official programme for the wedding day of Prince Friso of the Netherlands and Mabel Wisse Smit (April 24) was issued. The couple will leave Palace Noordeinde in The Hague by car at 10:00. From 10:30 to 11:00 the civil wedding takes place at the Town Hall where the wedding will be solemnized by the Mayor of Delft, Mr H.M.C.H. van Oorschot. The ceremony will be attended by close family, friends of the couple and authorities (about 50 guests). The couple will travel to the Old Church by car. From 11:30 to 13:00 the religious wedding will take place in the Old Church. The Minister is Ds. Carel A. ter Linden, retired clergyman of the Kloosterkerk in The Hague. Among the invited guests are, next to family and friends, royal guests and authorities (about 1400 guests). After the religious wedding the bridal couple will travel back to Palace Noordeinde by car. There a déjeuner takes place. "

I searched the Dutch Royal Family web site for a guest list but to no avail .......

 

[Fireweaver]

The above address (netty's) is www.nettyroyal.nl

 

[mgrant]

Thanks, Fireweaver. I should have included that.

 

[Danjel]

Just saw the interview of Friso and Mabel, and I must say: a very open, honest and well done interview!!!!

Friso and Mabel were (in my opinion) very honest and open about the last months and the whole Klaas Bruinsma-affair.

I think they've just earned a wonderful applause!



greetz
Danjel

 

[Danjel]

The wedding of Friso and Mabel can be seen in the US...Well, only if you have DishNetwork (and the second dish) ... which offers BVN ... DirecTv does not have BVN.

(saw this remark and the Benelux message board, thought it might be interesting for some of us)

 

[xxPatrickxx]

who have any nice pictures from the interview?

 

[konan]

I don't know how to post pictures, but I found nice pictures in the site Utrechts Nieuwsblad.nl, you only have to register and then you can surch on date and item.

 

[Dennism]

AMSTERDAM — Planning to marry on Saturday without the Dutch
Parliament's approval, Prince Johan Friso and his fiancee, Mabel
Wisse Smit, have denied they lied about Mabel's former relationship
with drugs baron Klaas Bruinsma.

But the royal couple admitted they should have immediately revealed
the full details of the contact Mabel had with Bruinsma. Instead,
Prince Friso had advised Mabel to only tell "the important facts" to
the Dutch government.

In a televised interview with royal journalists Maartje van Weegen
and Paul Witteman on public broadcaster NOS on Monday night, Mabel
denied again that she had a love affair with Bruinsma, who was shot
and killed in Amsterdam in 1991.

Mabel dismissed claims by a former Bruinsma bodyguard, Charlie da
Silva, that she had been the drugs baron's lover — claims which
rapidly led to a media barrage discrediting the couple last year —
and said they were "unbelievable nonsense".

"I thought no one is going to believe this," she said.

Mabel told Friso in 2000 about her contact with Bruinsma, claiming
that it was a friendship that lasted just several months. Friso said
the friendship was formed 15 years ago when Mabel was a young girl,
naïve and that the relationship had never been extraordinary.

Mabel had been open to him about the matter and he did not think any
problems would arise. He did not consider it necessary to immediately
tell his mother, Queen Beatrix — who later had difficulty with the
scandal, but had given enormous support, news agency ANP reported.

Despite the fact that the third-in-line Prince Friso will renounce
his rights to the Dutch throne by marrying Mabel, the couple denied
that a shadow had been thrown over their marriage — scheduled for
this coming Saturday in Delft.

After Mabel admitted to Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende in
October 2003 she had withheld the full extent of her relationship
with Bruinsma, the prime minister decided against requesting
Parliament's approval of the marriage. Such permission is necessary
for Prince Friso to retain his rights of succession.

The Prince admitted on Monday he had grown up with the thought that
he would always be in line for the throne, but had to swallow the
fact that this was no longer the case, newspaper De Telegraaf
reported.

And Mabel said the only shadow that was hanging over their wedding
was the absence of three fathers. She was referring to Prince Friso's
father, the deceased Prince Claus, and to her deceased father and
step-father.

Friso suggsted the Royal House had roots so deeply embedded in Dutch
society that the controversy surrounding his marriage to Mabel had
not inflicted permanent damage on the royal institute.

He accused the media of "plainly scandalous" behaviour in its
reporting of the affair, claiming that the simplest of facts were not
checked and that the various media organisations discussed the matter
with each other.

For her part, Mabel remembers the time as being extremely painful for
her family. "Everyone was suddenly a Mabel expert. It was a hurricane
the came over me from which it was difficult to keep a foothold," she
said.

Dealing with other matters, Prince Friso said it was an awkward
moment when the Government Information Service (RVD) publicly stated
several years ago that he was not homosexual. He said the decision to
issue the statement was taken after the serious press began giving
credence to rumours alleging that he was gay.

Friso also took the interview as an opportunity to set straight other
misunderstandings and denied he shirked from the annual Queen's Day
celebrations. Instead, the prince said he looked forward to the event.

Mabel was quizzed by Witteman over her preference for powerful men.
She answered by saying she was in love with Friso and that it was
incidental that he was a prince.

 

[liv]

Anna will be flower gurl, how sweet!!!!!




Official announcement

Guests, Witnesses, Bridesmaids, page boys and flower girls
Wedding of Prince Friso and Miss Mabel Wisse Smit
As announced previously, His Royal Highness Prince Friso of the Netherlands and Miss Mabel Wisse Smit will be married in Delft on Saturday 24 April 2004.

The bridal couple chose the municipality of Delft due to the city’s historical ties with the House of Orange-Nassau. Moreover, Miss Mabel Wisse Smit’s father and Prince Friso both studied at Delft University of Technology.

Guests
The guest list is mainly made up of personal friends of the bridal couple.
The following royal guests will be present:


His Majesty King Harald V and Her Majesty Queen Sonja of Norway

Their Highnesses Sheikh Salman and Sheikha Halaa Al-Khalifa of Bahrein

Their Royal Highnesses Prince Hassan bin Talal and Princess Sarvath El Hassan of Jordan

Their Royal Highnesses Prince Kyril and Princess Rosario of Preslav (Bulgaria)
King Harald V is the Prince’s godfather.
The following will also be present:


Mr George Soros, founder and president of the Soros Foundations Network, and his wife

Mr Aryeh Neier, director of the Soros Foundations Network and founder of Human Rights Watch, and his wife

Mr Mark Malloch Brown, director of the United Nations Development Program (UNDP), and his wife
Witnesses
Witnesses for the bridegroom

The witnesses for the bridegroom at the church ceremony in the Oude Kerk are:


His Royal Highness the Prince of Orange, the bridegroom’s brother.

His Royal Highness Prince Constantijn of the Netherlands, the bridegroom’s brother.

Lodewijk Beijst, a friend of the bridegroom from his student days in Delft. He studied business administration and is currently the director of Superserver.

Dante Weijerman, a friend of the bridegroom. They met playing golf while at primary school. Mr Weijerman studied law in Leiden and is currently a director of the Central National Company. He is married with three daughters.

Sophie von der Recke, a cousin of the bridegroom (her mother, Christina Baronin von der Recke-von Amsberg, is the youngest sister of the bridegroom’s late father, His Royal Highness Prince Claus of the Netherlands). She is an artist and lives in Hamburg, Germany.
Prince Constantijn and Lodewijk Beijst will also be witnesses at the civil marriage.

The witnesses for the bride

The witnesses for the bride at the church ceremony are:


Her Royal Highness Princess Laurentien of the Netherlands, a friend of the bride and sister-in-law of the bridegroom.

Eveline Wisse Smit, the bride’s sister. She studied economics in Amsterdam and plays hockey in the first women’s team of Amsterdam Hockey Club.

Nicoline Wisse Smit, the bride’s sister and the mother of Lotte, one of the flower girls. She studied at the Maastricht Hotel Management School and has her own public relations and communications firm, Wis en Waarachtig.

Andrea Knap-Kleekamp, a friend of the bride. They met playing hockey when at secondary school. She studied French language and literature in Amsterdam and Paris, and is married. Her son, Max, is a page boy at the wedding.

Willemijn Verloop, a friend of the bride. They met when Ms Verloop began working for the European Action Council for Peace in the Balkans in 1994. She studied history in Amsterdam and is now a director of War Child Netherlands, of which Mabel Wisse Smit was a founding board member (1995-1996).
Nicoline Wisse Smit and Andrea Knap-Kleekamp will also be witnesses at the civil marriage.

Bridesmaids, page boys and flower girls

Bridesmaids:


Sophie von der Recke

Eveline Wisse Smit
Page boys and flower girls:


Lotte Crombag (aged 4), daughter of the witness Nicoline Wisse Smit and godchild of the bride

Max Knap (aged 6), son of the witness Andrea Knap-Kleekamp

Anna van Lippe-Biesterfeld van Vollenhoven (aged 3), second cousin of the bridegroom

Theodora Petalas (aged 9), granddaughter of Johan Christian Baron von Jenisch, the late godfather of the bridegroom

Friso Wisse Smit (aged 3), second cousin of the bride
RVD, 22 April 2004

 

[The Watcher]

More information about wedding, www.koninklijkhuis.nl
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English summary:
-The church ceremony will take place in the Oude Kerk. Reverend Carel A. ter Linden, Minister Emeritus of the Kloosterkerk, The Hague, will officiate.

-Elder: A.C. Valkenburg

-Music:
* Organist: Bas de Vroome (oragnist of Old Church)
* The 'Laurenscantorij' and 'Laurens-Bachorkest' from Rotterdam. (conductor: Barend Schuurman)
* Soprano: Nienke Oostenrijk
* The 'Trouwlied' (special wedding-song for Mabel and Friso) from Huub Oosterhuis and Antoine Oomen.

-Collection: The Global Fund To Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria (www.theglobalfund.org)

-Guard of Honour: 'Delftsche Studentenweerbaarheid', I don't know the translation, but it is a special part of the army for students, in this case students from Delft (when the Prince studied).

-Flowers: from the Association of Flowers-auctions in the Netherlands (right translation?)

-Monogram: designed by Prince Friso and Hans Kruit.

-Car: Rolls-Royce Silver Wraith Limousine Landaulette (same Rolls-Royal as used for wedding of Prince of Orange)

 

[Alexandria]

From the Glittering Royals MB, preparations for tomorrow's wedding are in full swing.

The main entrance of the Old Church in Delft is decorated and staff is already preparing the carpet:

The Queen, Prince Johan Friso and Mabel inspected the preparations for the day of tomorrow. They visited the City Hall (location of the wedding) and the Old Church (religious ceremony):

 

[Roos]

When is it (the wedding) anyways?

 

[Alexandria]

Originally posted by Princepessa@Apr 23rd, 2004 - 11:14 pm
When is it (the wedding) anyways?

The wedding is tomorrow (April 24).

 

[mybags]

I wish them every happiness.