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I suppose one could argue the way the family is behaving is in a good Greek tradition. Their lifestyles do not seem to be all that different than that of other members of the Greek upper classes, who often lead much of their lives abroad - f.e. the Niarchos and Latsis families.

Considering the way Greece has treated and has stolen from the family it is surprising that any family member wants to set foot in the country at all. They do not owe Greece a thing. It is healthy that Prince Pavlos realised he had to make a life of his own, instead of waiting for a pipe dream that would never have materialised anyway.
 
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What sense of entitlement are you referring to? I don’t think they care that deeply about their social connections, they just happen to be closely related to a few extant monarchies that’s all. The family will still be rich and do what they like in the event of the others falling.

My god....in my opinion they do have a sense of entitlement (from the stories I heard, they may be true or not) and they very much do care about their social connections. I'm not a big fan of the family, clearly others are but I simply am not.
 
Considering the way Greece has treated and has stolen from the family it is surprising that any family members wants to set foot in the country at all. They do not owe Greece a thing.

I'm sorry...this makes the people and government of Greece look like they are the villains in this situation when they were absolutely not. The people and Greece do not owe their former monarchy or it's current members anything. Let's take a look back at what that lovely monarchy did.

  • Constantine II inaugurated the Colonels in power. Seven years of military dictatorship followed with lots of arrests (especially of Communists), torturing, censorship and deaths (November 17th 1973, does that a ring a bell?)
  • While in exile in Italy, Constantine II was on constant talks with the military regime. He was actually willing to form a government with these dictators, as long as he returned to Greece and was still - formally - a king of Greece. He accepted the constitution of 1968 that the Colonels had inaugurated, which he had also described as “satisfactory” when it comes to guaranteeing political freedoms. See point one to see the ‘freedoms’ that the Constitution of 1968 guaranteed.
  • Constantine II opposed all of the world’s reaction to the military regime and Greece’s abolition from the Council of Europe. He also supported the U.S. military aid to Greece and he couldn’t understand why the Greeks disagreed with it.
  • Years later, in 1993, while he was still in exile, Constantine II basically broke into Greece illegally just because he wanted to take his family on a ‘nice summer holiday’ and the guy also shot a documentary with a British TV channel to show that Greece/the Greek government are the baddies who don’t let him in and that he’s the nice guy who just wants to go back home. And not JUST that, but he had also roused pro-monarchist sentiment by touring the country and didn’t even say anything when a random priest (with no official political power whatsoever) acknowledged him as the true head of state of Greece.
  • Constantine II took Greece to the European Court of Justice over Tatoi, which he eventually lost, and kept claiming that it’s ‘his house’ and that it belongs to him. He then broke into Tatoi overnight and then sold everything he stole from there to Christie’s all the while advocating that Tatoi is “his home”.
  • Constantine II did nothing for Greece all those years except call himself King and coming over for a holiday and saying how lucky he is for finally coming back to live here. He experienced Greece during the crisis. Why didn’t he (or any other member of his family) found a foundation to help all those children that were hungry or those families that ended up in the streets because they had lost their jobs and couldn’t afford to pay the rent? The only person who did something about it is Tatiana and her association with Boroume, as well as that cookbook with Greek recipes she had published and, frankly, good for her.
  • The Anna-Maria Foundation is based in Liechtenstein, aka tax evasion paradise. Also - when natural disasters did happen in Greece (such as earthquakes, we have lots of them), the people that had turned to the foundation did not receive any money, not for a very long time at least, and when Prince Nikolaos was asked about it, he was trying to change the topic. So, what do you expect I make of that?.
  • Constantine II's house (or former idk who lives there) in Greece has a private passage that leads to the beach and which was built illegally and he did nothing to fix it.
  • Pavlos and Marie-Chantal calling themselves Crown Prince/ss of Greece which is 1) just as disrespectful to the Greeks as calling yourself King of Greece on live TV, 2) their kids don’t speak a word of Greek and only use Greece as a background for their Instagram posts which - btw - every tourist that comes to Greece also does, 3) other than Prince’s Trust International (aka an initiative initially founded by Prince Charles in Britain), Pavlos has done nothing else for Greece. Other than complain about his titles and last name.
  • Prince Philippos’s Greek is horrible (which is understandable, considering he has spent most of his life outside Greece) and I very much doubt Theodora speaks any Greek as of now. Both went to Greek school in London and have Greek-speaking parents.
  • Theodora calls herself ‘Theodora Greece’ and uses that as a stage name. This is pretty much like claiming ownership over a country which you have only ever visited as a tourist. Yes, there are Greeks with the last name ‘Ellinas’ (Έλληνας) which is the Greek word for Greek, but the only person on this planet with ‘Greece’ as a last name are the former and his family bunch.
  • Alexia lives as a private citizen and she barely even shows up in the media, so I’ll let her off the hook.
  • When then-President of the Hellenic Republic Constantine Karamanlis (aka the man that officially abolished the monarchy) visited Spain for a state visit in 1984, Sofia broke the protocol by showing up in her Greek order (instead of the Spanish one which she should have worn) and the Fleur de Lys tiara which is reserved to the Queens of Spain. Later, when he approached her to apologize to her for the way he treated the Greek monarchy, she replied, “I am the Queen of Spain now, Prime Minister. Do not trouble me over Greece’s internal problems.” Juan Carlos also offended him by saying that his brother-in-law now was in the same situation that he had found himself in during the era of Franco. That’s why Sofia and JC’s return state visit to Greece was postponed until 1998.
  • Sofia also attributes her being Queen to Franco, who had named Juan Carlos as his successor.
  • The Greek Kings had never stuck to the strictly ceremonial role that the Constitution imposed on them (see King Pavlos’s trip to London, for which he had not received the Greek government’s approval and also nearly had severe diplomatic consequences). They were never pleased with just being ‘decorative’ and wanted a more active role in politics, which - guess what - increased their power and brought them to a halt with the government that had been elected by the people. That’s why most Greeks think their royals are practically German spies and, ultimately, why the monarchy in Greece didn’t work. Plus - Constantine had the chance to defend democracy. He didn’t. Neither did he do anything to prove how much he truly loves Greece and its people. If so, he would have respected their opinion and left them alone a long time ago.
The only alibi I can give to Constantine is that he was only 23 years old when he became king and he did not have the political experience to know what he was doing. But still, he refused to listen to the more experienced (and elderly) PM Georgios Papandreou when he advised him on how he ought to conduct himself, which led to Papandreou’s resignation, political instability, and therefore paved the ground for the 1967 dictatorship to take place.

If you do not respect the opinion of ‘your’ people who voted you out by a massive majority of the votes (nearly 70%), then you're gotta have to deal with the state and people's reaction to it.
 
Considering the way Greece has treated and has stolen from the family it is surprising that any family members wants to set foot in the country at all.

I think the family realizes that the actions of the specific governments which illegally confiscated the last king's properties in 1973 and 1994 shouldn't be held against the entire country and population of Greece. They have chosen to live in the United Kingdom and the United States. Governments in both of these countries have done much worse deeds than seize the estates of one family.

Even if the focus is on the treatment of royals, governments of the United Kingdom beheaded one king and drove other kings into exile. Governments of the United States overthrew their monarchy and have rejected its restoration for over two centuries.
 
The people and Greece do not owe their former monarchy or it's current members anything.

I agree with you. The history of the monarchy deserves to be remembered with fairness and objectivity, and the current members of the family who live abroad deserve the same rights as other emigrants from Greece and their descendants, but I believe the people of Greece have the same right as the people of, for example, Barbados (whose decision to reject having any more kings, princes, etc. of Barbados seems to be generally respected) to exercise self-determination in whom they wish to have or not have as their royal family.

And thank you for explaining the reasons why republicanism is strong in Greece. I realize that the majority of posters here are monarchists, but it is beneficial to understand various views, especially when they reflect the majority view in the country being discussed.
 
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My god....in my opinion they do have a sense of entitlement (from the stories I heard, they may be true or not) and they very much do care about their social connections. I'm not a big fan of the family, clearly others are but I simply am not.
Well whether they care or not is pointless because those connections are there and they are closely related to extant monarchies. The King of the U.K is her godfather, the King of Spain is her uncle, the Queen of Denmark is her great-aunt. It’s nobody’s fault that they are closely related to extant monarchies and it’s not a matter of being a fan of them.
 
I've noticed that Constantine Alexios isn't a godfather to Prince George. Charles is Pavlos' godfather, Constantine II was William's godfather and William is Constantine Alexios's godfather. Willam didn't let the trend/tradition continue.
 
I've noticed that Constantine Alexios isn't a godfather to Prince George. Charles is Pavlos' godfather, Constantine II was William's godfather and William is Constantine Alexios's godfather. Willam didn't let the trend/tradition continue.

That's true, although William and Kate didn't choose any royal godparents for George or the other kids. (Unless you count Zara Tindall.) I doubt that has anything to do with Constantine-Alexios, who was just 14 when George was born.

It's a shame they didn't keep that family tie going, but it's a different era.
 
That's true, although William and Kate didn't choose any royal godparents for George or the other kids. (Unless you count Zara Tindall.) I doubt that has anything to do with Constantine-Alexios, who was just 14 when George was born.

It's a shame they didn't keep that family tie going, but it's a different era.
I mean Willam was like what? 16? when he became a godparent to Constantine Alexios, he was very young too.

It just seems like he isn't that close to them.
 
I mean Willam was like what? 16? when he became a godparent to Constantine Alexios, he was very young too.

It just seems like he isn't that close to them.

I don't think that really indicates a lack of closeness, since William and Kate didn't choose any royal godparents for their children.
 
:previous: Royalty in the egalitarian 21st century is anything but stable. Almost every monarchy today is under pressure to justify its relevance and existence.

Excuse me for answering this late to your contributon - I have not visited this thread in a while!

So, reigning Royalty: A stable position or not?

I think, it is a very stable position! All deceased Monarchies are the result of large, lost wars or revolutions or both. A Monarchie, that was finished by a plebiscite or something? Not, that I know of - at least in my humble opinion...

So, Monarchs should be against war and with the people!:whistling::flowers:
 
I think the family realizes that the actions of the specific governments which illegally confiscated the last king's properties in 1973 and 1994 shouldn't be held against the entire country and population of Greece. They have chosen to live in the United Kingdom and the United States. Governments in both of these countries have done much worse deeds than seize the estates of one family.

Even if the focus is on the treatment of royals, governments of the United Kingdom beheaded one king and drove other kings into exile. Governments of the United States overthrew their monarchy and have rejected its restoration for over two centuries.
I don’t think they hold anything against the Greek population. But it’s fair to say the family wasn’t treated well by the governments. I don’t think it’s a matter of some being monarchists or not, but fairness. IMO, there’s so much hate or disgust to the former Greek royals than the problematic Greek governments and officials that have followed.
 
I think, it is a very stable position! All deceased Monarchies are the result of large, lost wars or revolutions or both. A Monarchie, that was finished by a plebiscite or something? Not, that I know of - at least in my humble opinion...


The Italian monarchy was abolished because of a referendum
 
The Italian monarchy was abolished because of a referendum
Of course, but it certainly wasn't a referendum called out of the blue. It was ultimately the result of a lost war and the growing distrust in the Italian monarchy was justified by the questionable conduct of King Victor Emmanuel III during the more than 20 year-long Fascist dictatorship. Not only the King had an active role in allowing Mussolini's rise to power in October 1922, but in the following years he had more than once the chance to re-establish the costitutional order, but he failed to do so. He fully paid the price for it, that's sure, together with his descendants, and I say this with regret, as an Italian, as Victor-Emmanuel had been a good monarch up until the end of WW1, but as of 1946 the fate of the monarchy was doomed
 
There are photos in "HELLO" that show Alexios with a huge Tattoo on the left side of his chest, looking like an eagle. Seems to be new.
Oh, my....
 
There are photos in "HELLO" that show Alexios with a huge Tattoo on the left side of his chest, looking like an eagle. Seems to be new.
Oh, my....

Can you post a link to these photos here?
 
The prince has had the tattoos for a year or two.

Maybe he is following in the footsteps of his great-grandfather, King Frederik IX of Denmark.
 
You are right, Benjamin. I looked for earlier photos and he had the tattoo already in March 2022, maybe already in 2021.
 
King Frederick's tattoos were anchors, birds, dragons, but what is his tattoo? Initially it looks like the wings of an eagle, but then you see the image of a man, a woman behind, a child ... This looks like an abstract drawing. Poppy is very wet,
 
I'm sorry...this makes the people and government of Greece look like they are the villains in this situation when they were absolutely not. The people and Greece do not owe their former monarchy or it's current members anything. Let's take a look back at what that lovely monarchy did.


The only alibi I can give to Constantine is that he was only 23 years old when he became king and he did not have the political experience to know what he was doing. But still, he refused to listen to the more experienced (and elderly) PM Georgios Papandreou when he advised him on how he ought to conduct himself, which led to Papandreou’s resignation, political instability, and therefore paved the ground for the 1967 dictatorship to take place.

If you do not respect the opinion of ‘your’ people who voted you out by a massive majority of the votes (nearly 70%), then you're gotta have to deal with the state and people's reaction to it.

You are definitely mixing things up when it comes to the overthrow of the colonels and Constantine´s role to fit your narrative! Yes, it might have been a mistake he swore in these men, but he clearly never supported this regime or was happy about it. Yes, mistakes might have happened, but the King never denied that. You forgot to tell that he tried to stage a, failed, counter-coup in december 1967!
The 1993 trip to Greece was a great success for the family and of course they had every right to be there! It is a scandal that they tried to prevent the family to return to Greece for so long! That the officials did not force them out, except of flexing their muscels by having their war machinery over the royal family´s holiday yachts with small children on bord, speaks volumes! They knew it would have been unjust! I remember this superb documentary vivately and I enjoyed every minute of it.
Again, exiled monarchs NEVER put down their titles. If Constantine would have done so, he would have been the first one to be restyled "Prince" again! The german Kaiser was always "the Kaiser" until the end - he, although very unpopular these days, is still referred to as such. Emperor Karl of Austria-Hungary was never called other then Emperor Karl, the Ex-King Umberto of Italy, the romanian and the bulgarian Tsars, the last Tsar of Russia,.... the list goes on. This ongoing obsession why this family considers itself still as Royalty is really beyond me...! There is more "blue blood" in the veins running of the late Ex-King and his Queen and their children than most royals in other countries these days!
And how dare you say Constantine sneaked into Tatoi and "stole" things?! He hardly cannot "steal" anything from his own possessions! The criminal socialist greek state of the early 1970s was the one which STOLE this resicence and everything in it! Tatoi was a PRIVATE property of the greek royal family from the beginning. It is another scandal that the greek state didn´t hand back the house to their rightful owners! Instead, they had it rot down since decades...
But I guess my sense of justice is very different from yours!
 
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Poppy's great-grandmother had a sister who was the stepmother of Edwina Mountbatten.
Edwina Mountbatten didn’t like her new stepmother at all. She had a hand in trying to send off Edwina and her sister to boarding school
 
Edwina Mountbatten didn’t like her new stepmother at all. She had a hand in trying to send off Edwina and her sister to boarding school

More than that, she was racist against the girls and even Dickie Mountbatten called her a "b*tch". I wouldn't be scrambling to find a connection to Molly Forbes-Sempill.
 
Maria-Olympia attended the Breitling x Charlize Theron Navitimer "For The Journey" Launch in New York City on September 6:


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Maria-Olympia attended the Frame Dinner Party held at Jean's in New York City on September 9:


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